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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:15:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They discontinued the land cruiser Only in America. It may come back in 2023 and may be available as a Lexus in 2022 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:17:56 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really wanted to like the 4Runner as a next potential purchase. After renting one, no fucking way. Ride and handle like shit on paved roads, can only imagine the beating on backroads. Interior dated as fuck, it’s like stepping back in time to 2001. They're great offroad. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:21:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:24:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. They said they discontinued the land cruiser because of a lack in interest. I'm sure part of that was the price, but it seems really dumb to end a full size line from lack of interest, then turn the midsized line into a full size. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:33:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They said they discontinued the land cruiser because of a lack in interest. I'm sure part of that was the price, but it seems really dumb to end a full size line from lack of interest, then turn the midsized line into a full size. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. They said they discontinued the land cruiser because of a lack in interest. I'm sure part of that was the price, but it seems really dumb to end a full size line from lack of interest, then turn the midsized line into a full size. Eh... The Land Cruiser was in an odd spot between the Toyota Sequoia and the Lexus LX. The Sequoia was a similarly sized vehicle at a significantly lower price, and the LX was a fancier version of the LC with not much of a price difference. In the last decade, Toyota only sold about 3k LCs per year in the US. That number was closer to 12k Sequoias per year and 5k LXs. Globally, the LC, LX, Sequoia, and Tundra are all merging on to the same platform, and production sites are consolidating, too. I think the Tundra and Sequoia will both be in San Antonio. I don't know about the LX, but I'm guessing its production will be in Japan with the LC. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:33:52 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuelly puts all 4Runners in all configurations and in all situations at ~17.5 MPG overall. Guys with lifted trucks, big offroad tires, towing, sitting in traffic, and driving offroad bring that number down. Guys with stock trucks, highway tires, and rolling on the open road bring that number up. I used mine for lots of interstate travel to shooting matches and was never happy with internal cube space, power, and mileage. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:43:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs a 2.7 eco boost equivalent. It had one, without the boost, a 157-hp, 2.7-liter four-cylinder with a four-speed automatic. It didn't sell. Needs a V8 option. I don't see small turbo engines lasting 20 years. But, maybe that's the plan? I have a reasonable expectation that my 4.0 2010 will still be running in 2030. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:43:44 PM EST
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I always wanted a mid to late 80's 4 Runner. Those things were sweet!
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:49:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wanted a mid to late 80's 4 Runner. Those things were sweet! https://www.off-road.com/images/content/Toyota-4Runner-First-Gen-Classic-Off-Road-10-7-14.jpg You want to talk about a dog slow vehicle that was one of them! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:50:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. For the life of me I can’t reason with or figure out why Toyota makes several different but basically identical vehicles across their lineup. Hilux and Tacoma are twins. Fortuner and 4Runner are close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades and the 4R and GX460 are obviously twins. Would it be more cost effective and easier to have one small/midsized truck, and 1 mid sized SUV with trim levels to suit off-roaders or the luxurious minded? Seems overly complicated? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:52:15 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh... The Land Cruiser was in an odd spot between the Toyota Sequoia and the Lexus LX. The Sequoia was a similarly sized vehicle at a significantly lower price, and the LX was a fancier version of the LC with not much of a price difference. In the last decade, Toyota only sold about 3k LCs per year in the US. That number was closer to 12k Sequoias per year and 5k LXs. Globally, the LC, LX, Sequoia, and Tundra are all merging on to the same platform, and production sites are consolidating, too. I think the Tundra and Sequoia will both be in San Antonio. I don't know about the LX, but I'm guessing its production will be in Japan with the LC. I believe all Lexus vehicles are made in Japan, FWIW |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:53:27 PM EST
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Still fairly ugly... BUT WITH STICKERS!
Same nothingburger "innovation" we've come to expect with Toyota, the only company still using drum brakes on pickups. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:53:32 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They said they discontinued the land cruiser because of a lack in interest. I'm sure part of that was the price, but it seems really dumb to end a full size line from lack of interest, then turn the midsized line into a full size. Lack of sales in US, and I believe a bigger reason- they’re making the Sequoia more “LC” like with the TRD pro version coming out. It would have been too close to the global market LC. Which is lame and I hate them for it. Although the new Sequoia does look promising |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:54:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It had one, without the boost, a 157-hp, 2.7-liter four-cylinder with a four-speed automatic. It didn't sell. Needs a V8 option. I don't see small turbo engines lasting 20 years. But, maybe that's the plan? I have a reasonable expectation that my 4.0 2010 will still be running in 2030. I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d love a 6th Gen with a v8 option. But v8’s are going away, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:55:33 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. Yeah I'm hoping he's wrong about the demensions growing. I agree about the 3rd row. All GX 460's in the US have them as well. I never used it in my 4Runner and I'll never use it in the GX. It does carve out a nice spot for a 300BLK pistol to hide though 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:56:38 PM EST
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I love my 4runner for the simplicity of what it is, but it's kind of a boring vehicle. I rarely off road at all, and it's just a family hauler to me. But it is dated quite a bit and doesn't have any flash to it.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:58:11 PM EST
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Needs a Jack Safro badge on the rear.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:59:47 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lack of sales in US, and I believe a bigger reason- they’re making the Sequoia more “LC” like with the TRD pro version coming out. It would have been too close to the global market LC. Which is lame and I hate them for it. Although the new Sequoia does look promising Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They said they discontinued the land cruiser because of a lack in interest. I'm sure part of that was the price, but it seems really dumb to end a full size line from lack of interest, then turn the midsized line into a full size. Lack of sales in US, and I believe a bigger reason- they’re making the Sequoia more “LC” like with the TRD pro version coming out. It would have been too close to the global market LC. Which is lame and I hate them for it. Although the new Sequoia does look promising If they had updated the infotainment to at least 4Runner standards I be there would have been more sales of them. I really wanted a Heritage Edition that I saw locally but for $85K I at least wanted a somewhat modern infotainment system that was at least equal to my 2016 4Runner. I didn't realize that version was a 2-row only at the time or I may have bought it anyway as I have no use for a 3rd row and the setup in the LC200 was stupid. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:00:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the life of me I can’t reason with or figure out why Toyota makes several different but basically identical vehicles across their lineup. Hilux and Tacoma are twins. Fortuner and 4Runner are close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades and the 4R and GX460 are obviously twins. Would it be more cost effective and easier to have one small/midsized truck, and 1 mid sized SUV with trim levels to suit off-roaders or the luxurious minded? Seems overly complicated? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. For the life of me I can’t reason with or figure out why Toyota makes several different but basically identical vehicles across their lineup. Hilux and Tacoma are twins. Fortuner and 4Runner are close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades and the 4R and GX460 are obviously twins. Would it be more cost effective and easier to have one small/midsized truck, and 1 mid sized SUV with trim levels to suit off-roaders or the luxurious minded? Seems overly complicated? They're trending that way by consolidating to the TNGA platform family. The LC, LX, Tundra, and Sequoia are already on the TNGA-F platform, and they all have the same drivetrain now. I think Tacoma, 4Runner, Hilux, Prado, GX, etc are all going to be on a smaller version of the TNGA-F platform with shared engines. Global markets will probably get diesels, but rumor is the default engine for the US models will be the I4 turbo from the Lexus NX (T24A-FTS?), and some hybrid option might be available. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:01:24 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs a Jack Safro badge on the rear. Guy's been gone for years now, and Napleton hasn't really bothered with keeping any of the legacy. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:03:37 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They're trending that way by consolidating to the TNGA platform family. The LC, LX, Tundra, and Sequoia are already on the TNGA-F platform, and they all have the same drivetrain now. I think Tacoma, 4Runner, Hilux, Prado, GX, etc are all going to be on a smaller version of the TNGA-F platform with shared engines. Global markets will probably get diesels, but rumor is the default engine for the US models will be the I4 turbo from the Lexus NX (T24A-FTS?), and some hybrid option might be available. I need to just forget trying to get what I want from Toyota and track down a Euro LC/Prado that’s LHD and import it. I really think this is a unique car market that will appreciate even more the next decade (anything LC) |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:04:14 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe all Lexus vehicles are made in Japan, FWIW Not true, our cars are made in Canada, Kentucky and of course Japan |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:05:03 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to just forget trying to get what I want from Toyota and track down a Euro LC/Prado that's LHD and import it. I really think this is a unique car market that will appreciate even more the next decade (anything LC)
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:05:28 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not true, our cars are made in Canada, Kentucky and of course Japan
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:05:45 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I'm hoping he's wrong about the demensions growing. I agree about the 3rd row. All GX 460's in the US have them as well. I never used it in my 4Runner and I'll never use it in the GX. It does carve out a nice spot for a 300BLK pistol to hide though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake. If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. That guy was pretty well informed on the 3rd gen Tundra. I'd expect the same with the 4Runner. On one hand, there's a huge amount of white space between the 4Runner and the big beasts like the Tahoe, Expedition, and Sequoia. On the other hand, making it much bigger will hurt it both with the off road crowd and probably a good portion of the suburban family crowd. It's also really weird to me that the current gen 4Runner has a third row option. That makes zero sense to me. Making it bigger could make that more viable. Yeah I'm hoping he's wrong about the demensions growing. I agree about the 3rd row. All GX 460's in the US have them as well. I never used it in my 4Runner and I'll never use it in the GX. It does carve out a nice spot for a 300BLK pistol to hide though If you want to fantasize, you could imagine a world where the 4Runner/GX gets big enough to make a 3rd row make sense while still being smaller than Sequoia, then Toyota brings back the FJ to compete with the resurgence of the Wrangler. I'm not sure if that would be a good thing or not. Or if there's a business case. I do think the last FJ was too close to the 4Runner to make sense, but that could be executed differently... |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:06:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how that decal looks on red paint. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:06:48 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love my 4runner for the simplicity of what it is, but it's kind of a boring vehicle. I rarely off road at all, and it's just a family hauler to me. But it is dated quite a bit and doesn't have any flash to it. Now there's a valid criticism.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:14:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really wanted to like the 4Runner as a next potential purchase. After renting one, no fucking way. Ride and handle like shit on paved roads, can only imagine the beating on backroads. Interior dated as fuck, it’s like stepping back in time to 2001. Was 2001 really that bad? I kind of dig it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:17:49 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And they will sell every single one at msrp or higher Because they have a reputation of reliability, longevity, and capability. 4Runners are one of the vehicles with the best resale value (I think only surpassed by the Jeep) and they're one of the vehicles most likely to last to 300,000 miles. Plus, they look cool. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:19:53 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they have a reputation of reliability, longevity, and capability. 4Runners are one of the vehicles with the best resale value (I think only surpassed by the Jeep) and they're one of the vehicles most likely to last to 300,000 miles. Plus, they look cool. "They will sell every one at MSRP or higher" sort of hits different in 2022 when purple Mitsubishi Mirages are all selling at MSRP or higher. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:21:17 PM EST
[#31]
As the owner of two 5th Gen 4Runners I say
 to this anniversary version. Toyota needs to offer the Land Cruiser in a no frills package in the U.S. market. They discontinued it because of a “lack of interest” when in reality it was the $120K price tag. If you wanna spend $120K you’d buy the Lexus version.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:22:06 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point it would only impress me if they slapped a turbo diesel 4 cyl in it and a 5 speed manual with removable top. I want a 6th Gen, but if they half ass it I’ll just buy a Bronco If they had done all that, you'd probably get one about as soon as your order for a Bronco would be fulfilled. Both Ford and Toyota are still having problems getting parts (Toyota's Tahara plant was idled last week because of supply chain interruptions). |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:28:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "They will sell every one at MSRP or higher" sort of hits different in 2022 when purple Mitsubishi Mirages are all selling at MSRP or higher. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because they have a reputation of reliability, longevity, and capability. 4Runners are one of the vehicles with the best resale value (I think only surpassed by the Jeep) and they're one of the vehicles most likely to last to 300,000 miles. Plus, they look cool. "They will sell every one at MSRP or higher" sort of hits different in 2022 when purple Mitsubishi Mirages are all selling at MSRP or higher. Which is exactly why I believe the 4Runner is a bargain/market inefficiency for consumers right now, and a big part of why I picked it. If you can get your name on a 4Runner at MSRP, which wasn't hard in my area, you're getting one of the better deals in the industry. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:29:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? Exactly. Toyota is just putting off the platform redesign for another year while they're getting their asses kicked by everything else on four wheels. I say this as the current owner of Gen3 and Gen5 4Runners - THIS SUCKS. Stop f*cking around Toyota. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:31:55 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Toyota is just putting off the platform redesign for another year while they're getting their asses kicked by everything else on four wheels. I say this as the current owner of Gen3 and Gen5 4Runners - THIS SUCKS. Stop f*cking around Toyota. Given that all they would have done is put in the 3.5 driveline disaster from the Tacoma in the thing as a redesign I'm not really sure forcing it through earlier would have been a winner. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:33:26 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy's been gone for years now, and Napleton hasn't really bothered with keeping any of the legacy. Marquart Toyota is where it's at in WI Best service I've gotten by any other Toyota dealer...really a great bunch of people there. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:36:07 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Given that all they would have done is put in the 3.5 driveline disaster from the Tacoma in the thing as a redesign I'm not really sure forcing it through earlier would have been a winner. That is a very valid point, glad they didn’t completely ruin the 4R like they did the Tacoma abortion |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:36:59 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As the owner of two 5th Gen 4Runners I say to this anniversary version. Toyota needs to offer the Land Cruiser in a no frills package in the U.S. market. They discontinued it because of a “lack of interest” when in reality it was the $120K price tag. If you wanna spend $120K you’d buy the Lexus version.We can be friends! I’d pay good money for a 2022 70 series too |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:37:32 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i'm kicking around the idea of bringing in a LHD 105 series here in the next 12-24 months. Jealous! Make a thread if you do please! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:38:29 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty cringe Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw a Gen 3 4Runner with a "Historic Vehicle" plate the other day. That's pretty cringe Nothing cringeworthy about a tax break, which is all that plate really means. It has nothing to do with the historic significance r value of the vehicle. My 1980 Chevy K20 has antique tags, which means I pay $17 a year in taxes on it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:40:01 PM EST
[#41]
So a pinstripe and gold wheels? Lol
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:43:41 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they have a reputation of reliability, longevity, and capability. 4Runners are one of the vehicles with the best resale value (I think only surpassed by the Jeep) and they're one of the vehicles most likely to last to 300,000 miles. Plus, they look cool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And they will sell every single one at msrp or higher Because they have a reputation of reliability, longevity, and capability. 4Runners are one of the vehicles with the best resale value (I think only surpassed by the Jeep) and they're one of the vehicles most likely to last to 300,000 miles. Plus, they look cool. Wrangler fell off the best resale list, but it doesn't seem like anybody understands why |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:45:13 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had done all that, you'd probably get one about as soon as your order for a Bronco would be fulfilled. Both Ford and Toyota are still having problems getting parts (Toyota's Tahara plant was idled last week because of supply chain interruptions). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At this point it would only impress me if they slapped a turbo diesel 4 cyl in it and a 5 speed manual with removable top. I want a 6th Gen, but if they half ass it I’ll just buy a Bronco If they had done all that, you'd probably get one about as soon as your order for a Bronco would be fulfilled. Both Ford and Toyota are still having problems getting parts (Toyota's Tahara plant was idled last week because of supply chain interruptions). While that is technically true, those two couldn't be much more different. Ford is kicking vehicles down the line missing parts, storing them in huge lots for months on end, and even delivering them to customers missing certain parts/features. As far as I can tell by what I see here in the KC area, Ford's situation is getting worse, not better. At first, F-150s piled up at the Claycomo plant. Then outlying areas. Then the nearby Worlds of Fun amusement park. About 4 months or so ago, I started seeing F-150s stored as far away as a former/abandoned auto auction lot in Lee's Summit. That lot is 25 miles or so and probably 45 minutes by truck away from the Claycomo plant, and there's now a shitload of F-150s sitting there exposed to snow, rain, hail, and maybe some rodents. I have many questions about how Ford is going to handle these trucks. How will they complete them? How will they price and sell them? How quickly will these hit the market? I see all of this as a turn-off. Toyota isn't doing any of that. My 4Runner rolled off the assembly line at Tahara, Aichi in Japan in March and rolled into my driveway in the KC area in April. It probably spent half the time in between going through the Port of LA. Toyota may be dealing with supply chain problems, but they are handling it night and day better than Ford or GM. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 4:57:17 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While that is technically true, those two couldn't be much more different. Ford is kicking vehicles down the line missing parts, storing them in huge lots for months on end, and even delivering them to customers missing certain parts/features. As far as I can tell by what I see here in the KC area, Ford's situation is getting worse, not better. At first, F-150s piled up at the Claycomo plant. Then outlying areas. Then the nearby Worlds of Fun amusement park. About 4 months or so ago, I started seeing F-150s stored as far away as a former/abandoned auto auction lot in Lee's Summit. That lot is 25 miles or so and probably 45 minutes by truck away from the Claycomo plant, and there's now a shitload of F-150s sitting there exposed to snow, rain, hail, and maybe some rodents. I have many questions about how Ford is going to handle these trucks. How will they complete them? How will they price and sell them? How quickly will these hit the market? I see all of this as a turn-off. Toyota isn't doing any of that. My 4Runner rolled off the assembly line at Tahara, Aichi in Japan in March and rolled into my driveway in the KC area in April. It probably spent half the time in between going through the Port of LA. Toyota may be dealing with supply chain problems, but they are handling it night and day better than Ford or GM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point it would only impress me if they slapped a turbo diesel 4 cyl in it and a 5 speed manual with removable top. I want a 6th Gen, but if they half ass it I’ll just buy a Bronco If they had done all that, you'd probably get one about as soon as your order for a Bronco would be fulfilled. Both Ford and Toyota are still having problems getting parts (Toyota's Tahara plant was idled last week because of supply chain interruptions). While that is technically true, those two couldn't be much more different. Ford is kicking vehicles down the line missing parts, storing them in huge lots for months on end, and even delivering them to customers missing certain parts/features. As far as I can tell by what I see here in the KC area, Ford's situation is getting worse, not better. At first, F-150s piled up at the Claycomo plant. Then outlying areas. Then the nearby Worlds of Fun amusement park. About 4 months or so ago, I started seeing F-150s stored as far away as a former/abandoned auto auction lot in Lee's Summit. That lot is 25 miles or so and probably 45 minutes by truck away from the Claycomo plant, and there's now a shitload of F-150s sitting there exposed to snow, rain, hail, and maybe some rodents. I have many questions about how Ford is going to handle these trucks. How will they complete them? How will they price and sell them? How quickly will these hit the market? I see all of this as a turn-off. Toyota isn't doing any of that. My 4Runner rolled off the assembly line at Tahara, Aichi in Japan in March and rolled into my driveway in the KC area in April. It probably spent half the time in between going through the Port of LA. Toyota may be dealing with supply chain problems, but they are handling it night and day better than Ford or GM. That's funny. Mine was built in March and got to NWA in April. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 5:29:42 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about they scale it back in size and make it a midsized SUV so it's not competing with the Land Cruiser for customers? Make it smaller since everyone wants a fuel efficient car instead of the land whale it's become? I like the size of the 90s-early 2000s size. 4 doors is functional, but do they have to be a friggin' freight ship? You’re welcome to go get what you want, it’s the RAV4 hybrid. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 5:38:36 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the retarded "barn door". Every SUV should have the LC200 rear door setup. I'm fine with the interior lights but LED's would have been better given the cost of the vehicle How much did your river skiff weigh? I put about 1000 miles on my GX right after I got it with a 3500lb-4500lb loaded single axle trailer and was really happy with how it towed. I do have trailer brakes though. Absolutely not. Rear doors with rear mounted spares are the pinnacle of 4X4. Not pickup truck or soccer mom stuff. Spares on the roof are a pain in the ass. Spares in the cargo compartment waste space. Spares under the interior floor waste space and you have to unload to get them out. Spares under the body make for smaller gas tanks. And in some situations you can’t even get to it. And when you can in mud, water, rain, ice, snow… Rear doors with a rear mounted spare are the master race choice. The GX has the misfortune of having the remnants of that setup without the spare along with some other unfortunate neutering. They made a great vehicle, the Prado, only good- then fancied it up a little. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 5:44:59 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's lasted so long for a reason. It works. I loved mine, but had to sell it Why change what works? The 4.0 is solid. They spent like 15 years using the VZs with head gasket issues and recalls. They stick with an engine because it is cost effective and efficient. That does not mean it is competitive. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 5:47:00 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While that is technically true, those two couldn't be much more different. Ford is kicking vehicles down the line missing parts, storing them in huge lots for months on end, and even delivering them to customers missing certain parts/features. As far as I can tell by what I see here in the KC area, Ford's situation is getting worse, not better. At first, F-150s piled up at the Claycomo plant. Then outlying areas. Then the nearby Worlds of Fun amusement park. About 4 months or so ago, I started seeing F-150s stored as far away as a former/abandoned auto auction lot in Lee's Summit. That lot is 25 miles or so and probably 45 minutes by truck away from the Claycomo plant, and there's now a shitload of F-150s sitting there exposed to snow, rain, hail, and maybe some rodents. I have many questions about how Ford is going to handle these trucks. How will they complete them? How will they price and sell them? How quickly will these hit the market? I see all of this as a turn-off. Toyota isn't doing any of that. My 4Runner rolled off the assembly line at Tahara, Aichi in Japan in March and rolled into my driveway in the KC area in April. It probably spent half the time in between going through the Port of LA. Toyota may be dealing with supply chain problems, but they are handling it night and day better than Ford or GM. Toyota invented "the supply chain" just in time delivery. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 5:49:28 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a big difference, but 4x4 4runner starts around $40k. Adjusted for inflation, it's actually more affordable than 20 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I recently rented a 2022 4runner TRD pro. It was a smooth ride and I got around 18mpg around town and roughly 20mpg on the country roads. It is a bit perplexing that a 2022 has the same powerplant as my 2010 FJ cruiser. The 4runners are nice but I am not rushing out to buy one at 50k. I also rented a newer Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk model. Felt like I was driving a marshmallow. Not quite as efficient as the 4runner. Auto-parallel parking was pretty cool though. Not a big difference, but 4x4 4runner starts around $40k. Adjusted for inflation, it's actually more affordable than 20 years ago. Not as efficient? I get about about 8mpg less on the same drives in an FJ cruiser with the same engine as with a full time AWD V6 Grand Cherokee. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 6:12:26 PM EST
[#50]
Rumor : The 2023 Sequoia is supposed to have an off road version making it the American Land Cruiser.
We'll see. |
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