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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:52:49 PM EST
[#1]
Rotating shifts is absolutely fucking terrible...did it for years and always felt like a zombie. Never asleep, never awake, never again.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:53:23 PM EST
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Quoted: Worked in a hospital with WEEKLY rotating shifts. It was ok for a while then I started having trouble getting enough sleep during the day. I did everything possible to sleep during the day but still would wake up after about three hours. It would get better as the week would progress then we changed again. I went to the employee health clinic and asked for a prescription for Ambien. The EH doctor said I didn’t need sleep meds, I needed to stop rotating shifts every week. He said quarterly at the most. I said I tried that and my department said no. So the doctor wrote a memo to my director stating that weekly shift change was affecting my health and all study’s show that frequent shift changes is unhealthy. My director called me in and said I had two options. Work rotating shifts according to the schedule or find another job. The EH doctor relented and gave me the prescription. Which I only used when working the night shift. So I used the meds every other week for one or two days. The director left out the workmans comp LOA or the related work injury LOA. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:54:22 PM EST
[#3]
I had rotating days off which was great.
Rotating shifts weekly is very stupid. Rotating the shifts for two months would be better. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:57:23 PM EST
[#4]
Fuck that. Unless the money is just too good, I'd find another job. Not worth sacrificing your sanity.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:59:24 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg We went from southern swing to dupont and I love it. They can't force us on our 7 off it has to be voluntary I usually work some of them anyway. I did just come off a 32 straight night shifts it sucked ass |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:14:07 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We went from southern swing to dupont and I love it. They can't force us on our 7 off it has to be voluntary I usually work some of them anyway. I did just come off a 32 straight night shifts it sucked ass Damn. That's nice, we got lucky our last 7 day and there wasn't much most people only picked up 1 OT shift, the ones who wanted more got 2 or so. We've had 7 days that were so bad we had to ask people on their short break to help out. It means they can't be forced work for the maximum on their 7 Day, and then it just keeps snowballing from there. COVID destroyed our 7-Days the last 2 years, it was pretty much an instant week off and people abused the shit out of it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:14:47 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet the director doesn't rotate his shift. ALL management that demand rotating shifts need to rotate with their employees. You'd see that shit end in about a month. Two shifts, offer night premium for the evening shift. You'd probably break even with fewer sick days financially. Yes and This is why you don’t live paycheck to paycheck. Being broke is giving control of your life to people who really don’t care. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:18:47 PM EST
[#8]
Just woke up for the night shift at 3, go in at 4. I usually ge.t note sleep on nights then on days
Are you working dupont because dupont sounds like shit to work. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:20:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. That's nice, we got lucky our last 7 day and there wasn't much most people only picked up 1 OT shift, the ones who wanted more got 2 or so. We've had 7 days that were so bad we had to ask people on their short break to help out. It means they can't be forced work for the maximum on their 7 Day, and then it just keeps snowballing from there. COVID destroyed our 7-Days the last 2 years, it was pretty much an instant week off and people abused the shit out of it. Short off is who covers usually but we have a good group in my area nobody calls in and somebody always wants OT |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:22:55 PM EST
[#10]
It is 100 percent medically proven to fuck people up and it lowers production.
Shift work is meant to kill you so you cannot collect pension or socialist security. Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:23:05 PM EST
[#11]
That shit will kill you. I’d rather be homeless.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:23:57 PM EST
[#12]
I worked for 15 years at a place that rotated weekly. The past 3 years I've been at a job that rotates quarterly.
My life is immeasurably better now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:27:44 PM EST
[#13]
Quoted: all study’s show that frequent shift changes is unhealthy. Your EH doc is 1000% correct. Frequent rotating shifts will literally take years off of your life. Most hospitals do not do this! It's a fucking stupid and unnecessary practice. Your director doesn't give a shit about your health. Find a new boss. Either switch departments or hospitals. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:27:57 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Short off is who covers usually but we have a good group in my area nobody calls in and somebody always wants OT  .
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:28:17 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg That doesn't looks so bad if you don't factor in overtime. If I had that schedule where I work coupled with the retarded amount of overtime I'm forced to work I couldn't do it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:29:10 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg That Dupont shift had me looking for work.   In 2008, I had to go on it and told my wife I'd give it a year to get back on day shift or move on. This was a +/- $64,000/year job plus Cadillac bennies and killer 401-K match. I saw light at the end of the tunnel so stuck it out for 14 months and got off of it. I worked all manner of shifts for 34 years, 7 day schedule with A, B, C and D shift, 4-10s, 4-12's straight day shift...Dupont nearly killed me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:31:07 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. I've heard people say this... until they stop doing it... and then they are like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT WAS I DOING???" They weren't good to go. They just forgot what normal felt like after a year. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:32:13 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of coffee, snacks, and energy drinks to stay awake.   Too much alcohol and ZzzQuil to fall asleep.   Plus, add 15 years to your chronological age, looks wise and health wise. Die prematurely. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:33:52 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The miners out here work rotating 12 hr shifts, plus at least an hour bus ride on each end. Fuck. That. Lucky fuckers get bus rides?! From leaving home to getting back is 15 hours for me, 5/4 schedule with weekly rotating shifts. A company shuttle bus would equal about a $4 raise for me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:34:59 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d go with find another job. You can’t get another health. This. Don’t wait until your health fails to find a new job. Do it now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:37:13 PM EST
[#21]
Rotating schedules suck. When I worked at Lowes we had a schedule that rotated every 3 or 4 weeks, but it was a different schedule every week. Back to back weeks were never the same. There were times where the schedule was set up so you had to go to sleep as soon as soon as you got home to have any chance to get enough sleep. That would go for 3-5 days at a time. It made it impossible to have any sort of work life balance.
When I left my two bosses I worked with asked for any feedback. Pretty sure I said “guys, this schedule fucking sucks.”  All the preaching they did about work life balance was a bunch of nonsense. The schedule was all the proof I needed.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:42:51 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That Dupont shift had me looking for work. In 2008, I had to go on it and told my wife I'd give it a year to get back on day shift or move on. This was a +/- $64,000/year job plus Cadillac bennies and killer 401-K match. I saw light at the end of the tunnel so stuck it out for 14 months and got off of it. I worked all manner of shifts for 34 years, 7 day schedule with A, B, C and D shift, 4-10s, 4-12's straight day shift...Dupont nearly killed me. I've been doing it for almost 10 years so far, there are weeks where it gets to me and I'm tired, but it works for right now with my son, and my compensation level. If I went anywhere else local on average I'd be taking an immediate ~$40-60K hit on my gross pay, with the chance it would lessen over time. Fortunately I got this job in this area, unfortunately it's kind of a unicorn, and relocation isn't an option with my custody agreement. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:44:38 PM EST
[#23]
Rotating shifts is OK if done every 2-3 months. Every week?
I’m walking out the door |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:46:43 PM EST
[#24]
Fuck that. It's usually just a way for the cheap bastards to get out of paying shift premiums. I worked mids for the $ to fund my 401K. No way I'd ever work a swing. There's a bunch of people that can never adapt to mids. Saw many try and fail over the years. It's also dangerous to work around them in an industrial setting. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:50:15 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just woke up for the night shift at 3, go in at 4. I usually ge.t note sleep on nights then on days Are you working dupont because dupont sounds like shit to work. 
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:51:24 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be looking for work. that's a terrible plan This If I heard you correctly, it sounds like you saying it has effected your well being. You are self aware. You know what you need to do. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:52:18 PM EST
[#27]
After 31 years I finally gave up night shifts... 1900-0700.
'Should have done it years ago. Fortunately the socialist paradise of Canuckistan affords me the privilege of accommodation... Plus... I'm the most senior officer in my area so... Fuck off Lol |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:58:48 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lucky fuckers get bus rides?! From leaving home to getting back is 15 hours for me, 5/4 schedule with weekly rotating shifts. A company shuttle bus would equal about a $4 raise for me. The roads to the mines would be a cluster fuck with all those personal vehicles at shift change, besides much better security on the mine sties with no personal vehicles. Now the parking lots in town and roads around are known as the Newmont 500 when the buses come in. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:02:22 PM EST
[#29]
Quoted: Worked in a hospital with WEEKLY rotating shifts. It was ok for a while then I started having trouble getting enough sleep during the day. I did everything possible to sleep during the day but still would wake up after about three hours. It would get better as the week would progress then we changed again. I went to the employee health clinic and asked for a prescription for Ambien. The EH doctor said I didn't need sleep meds, I needed to stop rotating shifts every week. He said quarterly at the most. I said I tried that and my department said no. So the doctor wrote a memo to my director stating that weekly shift change was affecting my health and all study's show that frequent shift changes is unhealthy. My director called me in and said I had two options. Work rotating shifts according to the schedule or find another job. The EH doctor relented and gave me the prescription. Which I only used when working the night shift. So I used the meds every other week for one or two days. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:04:36 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw rotating shifts. This. They are scientifically proven to shorten your life span. Did it for 15 years. Never again. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:05:26 PM EST
[#31]
Been doing it for a very long time.
Counting down the years. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:06:47 PM EST
[#32]
I interviewed for a job that worked the Dupont schedule. Add in the fact the drive was 1 hour each way. So figure 14 hour days at a minimum. Pay/benefits were outstanding so I convinced myself it was worth it.
I wasn't chosen for that job. Now I work 4-10s rotating mon-thurs with 4 days off, then Tues-Fri with 2 days off. I usually pick up OT during the 4 day weekends working Mon&Fri at our office. Plus, I am on call during that time too, so I don't really get much down time. Last week I had 30+ hours of OT. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:09:41 PM EST
[#33]
F rotating shifts. I know plenty of people who enjoy working nights so I don't know why anyone would force them to rotate
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:14:43 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg This type of schedule is abusive. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:16:04 PM EST
[#35]
Only reason for rotating shifts is to prevent overtime while still getting people to work close to the 80 hours a week pay period.
If companies had to pay more for people on rotating shifts these shifts would instantly disappear. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:16:56 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The roads to the mines would be a cluster fuck with all those personal vehicles at shift change, besides much better security on the mine sties with no personal vehicles. Now the parking lots in town and roads around are known as the Newmont 500 when the buses come in. Lol. They call it the Coal Mine 500 here. And yes a mother jumper best get the fuck out of my way if they think they are kool for doing 5 under, convoying up or humping their best buddies leg playing car tag. Lots ride the bus but I live only 30 miles away so I drive. I often can't type a coherent word because of the zombie effects of sleep deprivation, stress and just plain natural dainbramage. 
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:17:01 PM EST
[#37]
Shift workers are WAY underpaid!
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:17:46 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be looking for work. that's a terrible plan rotating shifts is one thing. weekly rotation? id quit on the spot. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:20:02 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg I worked that shift for two years at a power plant. I fucken loved it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:27:03 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's definitely rough, especially when you're understaffed. I worked a fixed 4p-12a M-F before this job with the occasional 16hr shift when the night shift guy just did a no-call, no-show. My boss would ask if I wanted to stay, if I was prepared the 16's weren't bad, especially if it butted up to my weekend off, but he lived like an hour away so to wait for him to get ready and come in would have made it a long shift anyways. I've been doing it for almost 10 years so far, there are weeks where it gets to me and I'm tired, but it works for right now with my son, and my compensation level. If I went anywhere else local on average I'd be taking an immediate ~$40-60K hit on my gross pay, with the chance it would lessen over time. Fortunately I got this job in this area, unfortunately it's kind of a unicorn, and relocation isn't an option with my custody agreement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That Dupont shift had me looking for work. In 2008, I had to go on it and told my wife I'd give it a year to get back on day shift or move on. This was a +/- $64,000/year job plus Cadillac bennies and killer 401-K match. I saw light at the end of the tunnel so stuck it out for 14 months and got off of it. I worked all manner of shifts for 34 years, 7 day schedule with A, B, C and D shift, 4-10s, 4-12's straight day shift...Dupont nearly killed me. I've been doing it for almost 10 years so far, there are weeks where it gets to me and I'm tired, but it works for right now with my son, and my compensation level. If I went anywhere else local on average I'd be taking an immediate ~$40-60K hit on my gross pay, with the chance it would lessen over time. Fortunately I got this job in this area, unfortunately it's kind of a unicorn, and relocation isn't an option with my custody agreement. We weren't understaffed. The shift was manned by 4 guys in my shop (another 30 or so in other depts. were on it too) to mainly make sure coal trains could unload nights and weekends when regular day shifters had gone home and there was a breakdown. If things went smoothly then other busy work was done. A couple guys actually liked it and stayed on when they had a chance to move. Not me.  I hope it continues to work out for you. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:33:12 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rotating schedules suck. When I worked at Lowes we had a schedule that rotated every 3 or 4 weeks, but it was a different schedule every week. Back to back weeks were never the same. There were times where the schedule was set up so you had to go to sleep as soon as soon as you got home to have any chance to get enough sleep. That would go for 3-5 days at a time. It made it impossible to have any sort of work life balance. When I left my two bosses I worked with asked for any feedback. Pretty sure I said “guys, this schedule fucking sucks.” All the preaching they did about work life balance was a bunch of nonsense. The schedule was all the proof I needed.I worked the retail shifts for almost 20 years. Now I’m 7-4 M-F |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:45:35 PM EST
[#42]
I worked a compressed work week night shift 3 nights one week then 4 the next and absolutely hated it, I could not sleep and had to go out to my car to catch an hour of sleep every night.
Totally against company policy but if I made a mistake due to being out of, it that could be a termination offense too. Still have a hard time sleeping right a year and a half after leaving. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:58:25 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shift workers are WAY underpaid! --Most of the guys [16 TMs] in my department make nearly $50/hour [base+production bonus] - this is the top unless moving into leadership positions. 4 shifts on 0600 - 1800 4 days off 4 shifts on 1800 - 0600 |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 5:36:55 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  #metoo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg #metoo That looks horrible. We run a night shift where I work, but it rotates through the squads. Each squad goes on nights for one month. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 5:45:03 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is 100 percent medically proven to fuck people up and it lowers production. Shift work is meant to kill you so you cannot collect pension or socialist security. Prove me wrong. Well known and established that it shortens peoples lives and does nothing for productivity. Companies do it anyway. Don’t know why but I know you can’t trust companies with your well-being |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:19:46 PM EST
[#46]
I don’t know if we called it the ‘DuPont’ shift rotation, but the pay was good. So one week was 36 hours straight time. Next was 48 hours, and after 40 it was OT at 1.5 rate. Plus every day had 1/2 hour OT built in for turnover time between shifts. Anything after a 12 hour day was OT. And the rare day that went over 16 hours was DT. Limited to 72 hours a week due to govt regulations.
Actually liked the back shift part. Less management around to bother you. And had a job that at times would deliver the bounty of the sea in shrimp and blue crabs. And it was a rare year ( considering the last 14) if I got less than six figures on the W2. Maintaining the qualifications for the job was a PITA, but that is in the past now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:31:17 PM EST
[#47]
I did 5 x 12s, rotating days and nights every 4 weeks for almost 5 years. Production people rotated every 2 weeks. It was brutal. No wonder so many people there were overweight and in poor health. The money was good and kept us afloat against my ex-wife's spending habits, but I hated it.
Mercifully, I was laid off and a month later ejected my ex. Never looked back. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:32:36 PM EST
[#48]
Be a damn shame if you got hurt at work due to exhaustion after you notified your employer your doctor told you it was bad for your health.. Be even worse if you got hurt due to the sleeping meds you “had to “ take in order to maintain employment... Just tell them you belong to an all men’s cross dressing choir, and you need the evenings off.. They will not touch that with a 10 foot pole..
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:35:56 PM EST
[#49]
Ambien is some fucked up shit, lot's of people have had some horrible side affect from it.
Numerous reports have described people fixing meals, having sex, and even getting into their cars and driving away in the middle of the night, with no later recollection. A few "Ambien zombies" have wrecked their cars and even killed people in accidents. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:39:20 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I was lucky. Worked all kinds of shifts for 25 years. 8,10,12 hours. Rotating, fixed. Never had a problem with sleep. I only worked them for 5 years and missed them for the next 25 years after being moved to a daylight job. No issues sleeping. Lots of time during good days of the week to get in a few hours of fishing in the morning, get the cars inspected on week days, go shopping while the kids were at school, take the wife out to eat lunch while the kids were in school, time to mow the grass on the weekends while everyone else was trying to fish the crowded lakes on the weekends, going shooting at the range in the middle of the week when it wasn't crowded, lots of time to do lots of things for a few hours a day two or three days a week. |
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