I think we at one time had Sheridans at the same time we had a Mix of M60s and M1s and guard M48a5s.   So that is 4 in use.  Not all needing service in a war zone, huge difference.

When they started dusting off T55s it had to be obvious how desperate they were. Imagine of the US was so desperate for aircraft that they went to the Boneyard and started trying to resurrect Jets from 70 years ago. Cant compare it to tanks because we turn tanks into artificial reefs or plant them in front of VFWs before they are that old

The fact you post this crap every week unapologetically is quite telling.

LOL You have to be joking!!!!RUSSIA Has Between 15 thousand to 30 thousand tanks from T62,T72,T80,T90, And they have the man power to put into,I Really wish People would stop with the pro Ukraine Propaganda

A lot of people have lost that bet.

Right. And the 30% you mention is pulled from thin air. A completely made up number.

It may be a flat 60% inaccuracy for both sides. Or even 50% on the Ukranian numbers and only 30% on the Russian numbers, or vice versa.

I looked at the pictures. A number of those tanks are burned beyond recognition without any identifying markers left and both sides have them in inventory.

What I'm saying is the data is useless for comparison because it isn't accurate. And you agree yourself that it isn't. It's a collection of pictures of blown up tanks that's interesting to look at. But it can't be used for much more than that. Other than to say collectively there has been alot of tanks blown up during this war.

They have not taken a picture of every tank blown up in this war.

and they’re not done yet.

I am guessing another 12 months AT LEAST with no major changes to the dynamic.

Remember those times when Putin was "mysteriously sick" and may die "any day now" over the last 2 years???  Still standing.

Ukraine broke this website.

The real subject matter experts found a ban, while everyone with a cold war fetish have had their voices amplified and have been crowned as the new smes, even with incongruent and emotionally based statements.

People ask me how many vehicles we miss as a result of relying so much on drone footage, and I keep saying "a lot".  Here is an example. The blue are vehicles we identified and mapped from drone footage. The purple are ones I just found on a high res sat image. pic.twitter.com/mHM9mFz8NI

Andrew Perpetua  (@AndrewPerpetua) January 11, 2024

1/7 Daily Ukraine map thread for Saturday 13th January 2024

Highlights: National Guard of Ukraine's 15th Regiment grows to 18th Slovyansk Brigade

Terek battalion added to north Bakhmut

Map: https://t.co/jNogrb24rK pic.twitter.com/XRpxdGpIVP

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

2/7 Rarog drones strikes MT-LB and BTR southeast of Holmivske
Coordinates: 48.394389, 38.087394
Map view: https://t.co/5xnrEJbkAx
Source: https://t.co/jujtZbGYvD

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

3/7 47th Mech strike drone company hits Russian infantry east of Stepove
Coordinates: 48.198682, 37.691131
Map view: https://t.co/o5T9HwcvMC
Source: https://t.co/AHedbxAFrJ

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

4/7 Russian Terek brigade covers area near Vasyukivka, N of Bakhmut with Grad
Coordinates: 48.729326, 37.988441
Map view: https://t.co/0AA9kbHeCc
Source: https://t.co/K4LLJdahkC

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

5/7 81st Airmobile Brigade shells Russian Infantry north of Bilohorivka
Coordinates: 48.949487, 38.260682
Map view: https://t.co/sNE8aHzfoj
Source: https://t.co/P1J0CBvxYZ

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

6/7 "Charon" Group of 14th Mechanized Brigade hits Russian infantry near Perschotravneve
Coordinates: 49.730557, 37.914890
Map view: https://t.co/Zn6EludPyz
Source: https://t.co/vZuTXNiewg

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

7/7 Ukrainian T-64 destroyed by Russian 6th Army unit, west of Synkivka
Coordinates: 49.768784, 37.691017
Map view: https://t.co/G4FwwCpVLr
Source: https://t.co/CVVinOdMV7

Ukraine Control Map  (@UAControlMap) January 14, 2024

Or let the AF blast them.  I had a trip in the ranges on Ft. Drum and saw a Bn worth of M48s parked on the road and herringboned out like it was a pause in a road march.  Being a former Armor Bn guy that was kind of eerie and sad.  This was up in the Air force’s range target yard.  They drag them out to the impact zone as needed.  I took a crawl around one out of nostalgia.  That loaders hatch is a lot smaller than an M60’s!  My fat butt with a duty belt on was a squeeze.

Probably not many of those left now as that was a dozen years ago.   I’d found a few older tanks in the impact area hedgerows as the range layouts left them behind when things get a redesign.  One sherman that was punched through in a few places and another that was all torn apart especially the engine bay area.  Found one on LeJeune like that too that was hammered with machine gun hits, the hull and turret surface looked like a cratered moonscape.

Special Three-Day Military Operation starts with 2,987 tanks
Day 689 of Special Three-Day Military Operation Very Special Maintenance Footprint Simplification Plan is overwhelming success.

then brrrrt and the Russians lose all the rest of their tanks.  

Maybe I could donate my piece of T72 to the cause?

Yes, They have been.    They don’t throw anything away, so they are able to cannibalize tanks in the boneyards and throw together museum pieces with old parts.    Doesn’t do any good though.  

Tanks are almost obsolete in this war.

Lol @ Ukrainian etsy sellers fleecing people with fake tank trinkets.

Thanks.  There are some very uninformed people here, and this topic draws them like moths to a flame.  

Willful ignorance is NOT a virtue, people.  

I got it as a gift.  It was mailed from Ukraine but, probably Made in China

Costs $8 shipped.

You've got 50 million, why not buy a few trinkets?

There are 5 or 6 full time Russian trolls who are absolutely dedicated to their craft.    We aren’t allowed to name them, but perhaps I’ll quote them for you, in red, if they show up.  

More UkraineBro propaganda

No one has followed through yet.  I remain poor.

In 2 to 3 years russia will have won this silly war bahahahahah

Why do you Ukraine boys support Natzis >?

Wow, a brand new one.   What are the odds of that?  
This is gonna be fun.
Guess it’s easier to build accounts, than tanks.

Lol.  .   This one is Real Smoooth.  

He's right you know

The most recent good photos of Uralvagonzavod are devoid of tank shells. At one point every empty field near a rail station was full of T-72s getting the "M" treatment before going off to compete in the turret toss. Supposedly there are still like 300-500 in various boneyards. My guess would be that they are so bad that it's not worth the time.

A bunch of people have been watching for them to spin up a cold war era steel production factory. It looks like everything is coming by rail from china right now.

It may be that we see NORK tanks on the front soon.

As a former 19k, It’s interesting to me that Russian generals have not yet realized, that Tanks are basically obsolete.    They aren’t a good use of assets.  

If you can be spotted by drones, and hunted at night by Thermal “baby yaga”, it’s beyond terrifying. But more importantly, It prevents you from massing enough forces in one place, to make a big breakthrough.

If you can be taken out easily by a Javelin, (or similar) then what’s the point?       Missiles, Artilliary, Mines and Drones, will Always be cheaper than Tanks, (including the Crew, and all the logistics required).


Incidentally, Wars are won by Logistics.   Luckily for Ukraine and the World, Russia has always sucked at logistics, except for when we were helping them out in WW-II.  

Individual Tanks do nothing.   You need battalions of Armor, supported by Air support and Infantry.   Few understand the logistics required for an effective Armor assault.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/18y8z9s/russian_armored_convoy_obliterated_while_trying/
This is a perfect example of Russian tactics.     Notice how they’re all bunched up?       Notice how the crews bail out, only to get picked off by gunfire, arty and drones?     It’s no picnic.    But forgetting the tragic waste of life, it’s also a brutally inefficient waste of National resources.  

Pure stupidity.

For Europe and the world, it’s better if they don’t run out.    
Trickling them in like this, into well defined kill zones, is actually a best-case scenario, lest they re-think their strategy, and devise a more effective means of attack.

This

They have been running out of armor and missiles since May 2022.

"We're getting closer to the waterfall marked on the map" -man in canoe 3 miles upstream
"We're getting closer to the waterfall hope you're ready to portage" -man in canoe 2 miles upstream
"We're getting closer to the waterfall you can hear it now" -man in canoe 1 mile upstream
"Stop with the MSM propaganda, we haven't crossed any waterfall!" -his wife, 0.5 miles upstream

LOL,

The idea that people can outright deny Russian tank & armored losses is absurd. They are incredibly well documented.

Does the Russian tank equation factor in Brads with 25mm knocking out the latest and greatest T-90's in combat?

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That was fucking amazing. Fricking ERA poofing off, pieces of junk flying, then burning tank. I would have said they didn't have a hope in hell but Russian tanks strike again.

Make no mistake Russia's tank and armored personal carrier losses are massive. There are enough drone videos to know this is 100% true.

It has been mentioned in this thread but there are also really good conflict news websites which track ONLY confirmed kills that can be geolocated and substantiated. . . which will never tell the full picture because we don't have actuals

That all being said, Russia has pivoted to a wartime economy. They have mobilized their citizenship under the guise of this war being an existential threat to their country. When you go to those lengths things really kick into high gear and there are also videos floating around detailing some of the manufacturing facilities for tanks, shells, and drones.

Also worth mentioning that it's not hard to find Western Media articles which date back to Spring of 2022 insinuating Russia is going to imminently run out of tanks, BMP's, shells, missiles which clearly in hindsight was Western Propaganda.

I'm sure the quality is shit, I'm sure a ton has been sold out by corrupt officials, and I'm sure most of it takes a lot of re-work, but Russia's' old Soviet stockpiles were pretty massive

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So have Ukraine's, just not acknowledged by them.

Still, even with all those losses bought via huge aid packages which will not be replicated, and the needle essentially hasn't moved.  Tanks haven't impacted anything in this war besides growing cost and casualty counts when they are destroyed.

Ukraine has no organic production, external support is being reduced to thoughts and prayers. If the position being presented is that Russian manufacturing capacity and generation of armor is a concern for them, then it's exponentially worse for Ukraine.

I've been reading for well over a year now from random think tanks that the biggest issue Ukraine has is that they have very little domestic wartime manufacturing. Ukraine absolutely needs a war time manufacturing base otherwise they are too dependent upon the West for funding.

History will show you with absolute certainty that at some point that Western funds and weapons will runs out. This is especially true in that we go through election cycles where sentiment can change depending on the new guy in power.  

Ukraine needs to be more self sufficient if they want to have a shot at winning this war otherwise it's just a very costly waiting game.

This isn't a niche issue, it's widely publicized. There's a reason why the West was so vocal about how Ukraine developed their own "Sea Baby" drones and their own version of a Octocopter the R18. My guess is they are doing assembling at best.

Yes, they have enough men, but the quality is likely pretty poor.  Most of their prewar "professional" troops are out of action by now.  That includes much of their best equipment.

Deploying a bunch of Forest Gump quality soldiers with cold war era kit isn't exactly a great strategy.  The only thing low quality troops can really handle is garrison/defense duty.  We've all seen what happens with you try to use low quality troops in offensive operations.  They take huge casualties, they can't coordinate well, and they can't use their equipment effectively.  A dead soldier can't use battlefield experience at a later date, either.  

Their economy can't be doing well, despite a wartime footing.  A decent percentage of their talented workforce has been conscripted or has fled the country.  Nobody is investing in Russia for obvious reasons and companies that were invested prewar are mostly gone.  Western technology is gone with sanctions.  Not good for Russia's tech industry.  Also, the Ruble isn't too useful globally.  China is the only real trade partner they have which is not ideal.  China is likely taking advantage in every way they can.  Even if Russia manages to hold onto occupied territory with some kind of treaty, there will be many years of pain for the Russian economy.  Ironically, the worst thing for Russia might be peace, since it helps bring down oil prices on which Russia so heavily depends.  

We (modern, current year people)
are finding  that if you have a society or government with iron will it can do things like redirect industry,  draft citizens and criminals, and withstand financial and equipment embargos and keep attacking with 300k+ dead, 10k+ vehicles lost, 100s of planes and helicopters destroyed.

The oriental nature of Russia is front and center.

The USA would have a revolution by now

According to Western intelligence Russia has been running out of tanks  and missiles  and ammo  and men  since the war began.  Even after all those failed predictions, people still think that Russia will suddenly collapse any day now.

This video is the most accurate summary of the war to date, showing which side is winning and which is losing:

Sorry I’m late. Was trying to find the right Putin portrait for my wall of heroes. Can’t decide between the older more distinguished leader or younger bad boy with those piercing blue eyes. So dreamy!

Seriously wish we could get along though. Puppet Biden island the globohomos behind him are the real problem.

Which puts them in a corner and more likely to employ what they have left.

Nukes.

They wouldn't be buying NK crap if they were. What makes you even think Afghanistan would sell Russia jack?

More than just 5

Leo 1
Leo 2 of various Ax
M1
Challenger 2
T-64
T-80
T-55S ex Slovenian
T-72 ex Czech and Polish

Yeah
And that's before counting various detrius like AMX-10 and a gazillion of SPGs, Leo 2R, Gepard, etc.

More Ukie bros propaganda. Just two more weeks and surely then Ukraine will defeat Russia.

Biden will send Russia 50 tanks.

He can't remember who he's for.

You're just challenging me just to be contrarian.

There are many good reasons for a 30% fudge factor downwards to be conservative; which I've said before and will repeat again.

For example...

A.) There are vehicles which are tactically destroyed -- i.e. knocked out with the crew (or a good portion of the crew) killed, but they're in recoverable shape. A week later, recovery troops show up and tow the tank back to a rear area depot and hose out what's left of the crew, repaint the insides, and reissue it. If you were a US tanker in 1944-45 and you got a Sherman from a depot and it smelled of fresh paint inside...someone died.

B.) Initial evidence of a loss may be drone footage showing a spectacular explosion, but actual damage is minimal, etc.



You're just babbling word salad here.



Certain tank types are specific to only one side (barring captures).

For example, the T-90 has a quite unique turret shape, especially the later marks with the "Vladimir" welded turret.

Likewise; the equipment and fits of the tanks on both sides are unique and different because while both Russia and Ukraine started off with the same basic tank fleets in 1992; thirty years of diverging modernization programs have resulted in tank fleets that are differentated by their external fits.

For example, both Russia and Ukraine use Kontakt ERA, but only Russia uses Relikt ERA -- thus if you encounter a blown apart tank that has Relikt armor on it; it's a Russian tank etc etc.

Remember when I said autists were looking at everything? These guys can recognize minor features in modernization programs; such as tank periscopes, EW Jammers, etc.



You're pretty much repeating what the pro-Russian accounts on Twitter who don't like Oryx say.



I agree that it's not 100% accurate. But it's been proven to be accurate to a high level of reliability -- enough to be used for staff planning purposes in a military context.

Remember the big leaked document drama about a year ago or so with that ANG Guardsman Texiria?

Pentagon analysts were assessing that Russia had lost 6,004 AFVs as of 1 March 2023; versus Oryx's claims of 6,486 destroyed vehicles as of 10 April 2023.

Oryx was overcounting by 400+ vehicles; or about roughly 7%.



You show a lack of creativity or originality.

I'll let DavidD on Twitter school you from back in November of '23, where he ran down the hard numbers concerning the Ka-52:

https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1721555135950700800



For ground vehicles...Russian Ground Forces had (on paper) 557 x T-80 variants pre-war.

So far as of January 2024; 482 have been counted as lost by Oryx, or 86% of the pre-war force (!!!)

It's quite clear that certain types of equipment are headed for exinction by simply counting the number of destroyed examples; and checking off against lists of what Russia had pre-war.

Anything later than a T-62 and even the mighty GAU8/A on the A-10 can't kill it, much less the Bushmaster on the Brad.