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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:21:40 PM EDT
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How so? Sure PID is improved with modern optics, but POI shift is very real. Let's say you pull the M4 tight into your shoulder, you line the ACOG up to the target....There is a huge chance you won't hit him if he is at 100M or beyond. Because the KAC RAS will force pressure on the barrel and change the point of impact to something different from your ACOG. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:24:00 PM EDT
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Oh I don't underestimate them, but far too many people overestimate their capabilities. Their disinformation/PR department is top notch and some of the people that buy into it wholesale (including some people in our government and/or military that really should know better) are the guys I'd call first if I came up with some manner of new and exciting ponzi scheme. Russians have a certain way doing "military stuff" that is completely different to how we'd do it, and even though it's not incomprehensible to an outsider one has to be careful to (and I'm shamelessly ripping off Firefox here) "Think in Russian" when dealing with them when it comes to military/strategic matters. For example, there's a reason they see our SAM and missile defense units in Poland and the Baltics as "offensive weapons" and if you "think in Russian" you understand why. To a Westerner it's obvious those are defensive weapons, to a Russian...not so much, because of how they'd use that capability. The same thing goes for NATO expansion, "meddling in the near abroad", and so on and so forth. They are very capable in some areas, but anyone suggesting that the Russian Army would be tearing us up in a conventional fight (especially based on the small arms they'd be carrying) either hasn't been paying attention to how things really work or really should check out my newest money making venture that they can get in on the ground floor right now, but remember it's a limited time offer!  Pizdyet!! Toyu mat, why you pull gun on me? I have done nothing to you! |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:54:29 PM EDT
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Suka, why do you try take such unfair advantage of honest Russian worker? It only right you cut me in for at least half. I would hate to see your legs broken... Pizdyet!! Toyu mat, why you pull gun on me? I have done nothing to you! I first started to get it when the Soviets ramped up their PR campaign over the Pershing IIs and then went all in when Reagan was wanting to develop Star Wars. I was like, why would they care if we put a missile defense system in space? Then I had a long chat with my one uncle who is the guy provided that quote that I get a lot of use out of and he started me down the road to understanding the Russian mindset. Like how when ABM systems were allowed by treaty, but only a certain number, why the Soviets put theirs to defend one thing and we put them in a location to defend a completely different thing. You'd think both sides would defend the same sort of thing, yet they didn't, and it was all because of mindset difference between them and us. So say... American thinking in the '80s: SDI is a defensive shield that will protect America against someone launching a nuclear attack against us. Why do we think that? Because you want to protect your country from being nuked, like duh. Russian thinking in the '80s: SDI would allow the US to launch a preemptive nuclear attack without having to worry about a retaliatory strike. Why do we think that? Because that's what we'd do if we had that capability, like da. Advance that 30 odd years and you start to understand why they really don't like us putting missile interceptors in Eastern Europe, to us they're defensive weapons but to the Russians not so much; and that's leaving aside the fact they think in terms of "spheres of influence" and firmly believe all of Eastern Europe is still theirs by right. The Russians may love their children too, but they do not think like Westerners and it's a mistake to think that they do. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:57:16 PM EDT
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You are probably right about them adopting an upgrade for now while they wait for the completely new design coming from Kalashnikov Concern. Kalashnikov Concern is currently developing the "MA Compact Assault rifle" and "SVK Marksman's Rifle", which look to be completely new rifles that aren't based on the AK platform. Perhaps they are planning to consider adopting a larger carbine sized version of the MA, assuming it's not complete vaporware. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/10/kalashnikov-concerns-new-ma-compact-assault-rifle-svk-marksmans-rifle-via-modern-firearms/ http://modernfirearms.net/assault/rus/ma-e.html+ http://modernfirearms.net/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/svk-e.html http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/1473305307.jpg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/0_a0196_153d63c3_XL.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice reply. Was hoping this thread would be full of more responses like this rather than the "M4 is a 15 MOA rifle" posts.  RATNIK seems to be a general upgrade of infantry gear, with the rifles only being part of it. So if I understood you correctly:
RATNIK upgrade kit = standard issue. "New" AK-12 = limited issue and different from the RATNIK kit, but functionally similar. These are new built, but are still standard AKs underneath. Seems logical. I can see them buying a number of these and then adopting an entirely new design 5 or so years from now. That is what they are doing for other types of equipment. For example, they're upgrading older T-72Bs to the B3 standard, which brings them roughly up to par with a factory built T-90 or T-90A in some areas. At the same time they are buying the all new T-14. Likewise, they have bought some Su-35s, are upgrading older Su-27s to the SM2 standard and buying the replacement T-50 PAK FA. Same with the MIG-29; buying new MIG-35s while actively designing a replacement. Seems to be what Russia is doing in general. A mix of upgrading old equipment, building new variations of older designs with improvements from the factory while also buying entirely new designs or developing them. So I can't be sure, but I assume the AK-12 was seen as sub par, hence RATNIK upgrade kits to hold over until a new design comes out. I could be wrong though. Do you happen to know what stock this is? http://cs319118.userapi.com/v319118926/2759/8chDyZcIRUc.jpg Looks like an AK-107. Rear looks similar to the "new" AK-12. Wonder if they're compatible with the older AK-74M. You are probably right about them adopting an upgrade for now while they wait for the completely new design coming from Kalashnikov Concern. Kalashnikov Concern is currently developing the "MA Compact Assault rifle" and "SVK Marksman's Rifle", which look to be completely new rifles that aren't based on the AK platform. Perhaps they are planning to consider adopting a larger carbine sized version of the MA, assuming it's not complete vaporware. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/10/kalashnikov-concerns-new-ma-compact-assault-rifle-svk-marksmans-rifle-via-modern-firearms/ http://modernfirearms.net/assault/rus/ma-e.html+ http://modernfirearms.net/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/svk-e.html http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/1473305307.jpg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/0_a0196_153d63c3_XL.jpg those date from the 1960s, they are from E. Dragunov's design work that has been dusted off. I think his son Mikhail is working on them. they are not new.........Dragunov was just ahead of his time. |
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