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Posted: 4/14/2022 4:43:45 AM EST
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Posted: 4/14/2022 4:48:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A very Drunken & Completely Incompetent Sloth ...  https://c.tenor.com/5j_-5ynIiFsAAAAM/sloth-beer.gif BIGGER_HAMMER  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This war is going to go down in history as the greatest war time blunder in the history of war time blunders. That is what's pissing Putin off. He expected Blitzkrieg and got the military equivalent of a sloth. A very Drunken & Completely Incompetent Sloth ... https://c.tenor.com/5j_-5ynIiFsAAAAM/sloth-beer.gif BIGGER_HAMMER Just wait untilo they send their A-Sloth. Silly Westerner, sinking of flag ship part of plan, achieves more egalitairian navy. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 4:51:25 AM EST
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With the fog of war and high quality Russian maintenance, it would not surprise me to eventually learn that there was a malfunction and one of those big P-1000 Vulcan missiles blew up in the tube.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 4:58:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, and everytime an Iranian thing catches fire it's because they're bad at fires too. Enemies of the West are all really bad at fires. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are the odds that Ukraine got lucky with some cruise missiles, but that Russian naval training and doctrine is so bad that they failed to take reasonable precautions to prevent a relatively minor fire from reaching their magazines? I'm guessing pretty good, extrapolating from the clusterfuck that is the Russian Army. ETA: I should have scrolled down to the test ship damage photo before posting. That'll do it... lol. Sure, and everytime an Iranian thing catches fire it's because they're bad at fires too. Enemies of the West are all really bad at fires. Somersault hatchet throw training is of more millitary use than a coordinated damage control drills..... 
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:06:36 AM EST
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For what it's worth Dutch mainstream media reporting has sunk But Russia says it's being towed.
Wonder what the casuatly numbers are with a Missle hit -> Magazine explosion -> On its side -> Sleeping with the fishes. All in at night in shtty cold water. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:55:34 AM EST
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This is from Russian Defence Ministry. Don't know how much I would trust it.
Russian Ministry of Defense: ?? The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped. ?? Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged. ?? The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. ?? Arrangements are being made to tow the cruiser to port. ?? The cause of the fire is under investigation |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:14:03 AM EST
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Reuters was unable to verify either side's statements.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-flagship-black-sea-fleet-badly-damaged-by-blast-2022-04-14/ |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:33:16 AM EST
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blyat
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:36:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is from Russian Defence Ministry. Don't know how much I would trust it. Russian Ministry of Defense: ?? The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped. ?? Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged. ?? The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. ?? Arrangements are being made to tow the cruiser to port. ?? The cause of the fire is under investigation If it gets a tow we will definitely see the damage and will likely be able to determine if a missile was involved or not. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:02:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is from Russian Defence Ministry. Don't know how much I would trust it. Russian Ministry of Defense: ?? The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped. ?? Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged. ?? The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. ?? Arrangements are being made to tow the cruiser to port. ?? The cause of the fire is under investigation Hit it again. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:21:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what would this Russian ship be classified as ? I'll admit I'm not that studied up on ships or Navy issues. The Slava is similar to our Ticonderoga class cruisers in purpose. The Ticos are primarily air defense, the Slava does air defense and surface warfare. It's a major asset, they don't have carriers so this one is way up on the list, I think they only have a couple Kirovs in service. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:25:14 AM EST
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Gonna be dark in a few hours over there. We must have pics of this smoking Russian cruiser before sundown. Come on internet, make it happen!
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:25:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For what it's worth Dutch mainstream media reporting has sunk But Russia says it's being towed. Wonder what the casuatly numbers are with a Missle hit -> Magazine explosion -> On its side -> Sleeping with the fishes. All in at night in shtty cold water. We will see. I don’t think Russia wants to let anyone know it sunk for as long as they can. “Towed away to unknown port for repair”. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:32:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that what I said ? Of course its a legitimate target. Doesn't mean it won't piss Putin off and bring retaliation though for the hit to his ego and Russian pride. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The ship was a completely legitimate target, and reasonable action for Ukraine. But that said I also was concerned about the reaction from Russia when I saw this. I get his point. I'm not even saying they shouldn't have done it, but it might have consequences. That is all I think you can assume from his post. Then again if they are trying to play it off as an accidental fire and not an attack from missiles maybe they'll shrug it off to avoid the embarrassment of admitting what happened. Isn't that what I said ? Of course its a legitimate target. Doesn't mean it won't piss Putin off and bring retaliation though for the hit to his ego and Russian pride. It could be bad. The Russians could start indiscriminately shelling cities, killing civilians, and raping the population. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:37:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be bad. The Russians could start indiscriminately shelling cities, killing civilians, and raping the population. Are they not doing that now ??? |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:40:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they not doing that now ??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It could be bad. The Russians could start indiscriminately shelling cities, killing civilians, and raping the population. Are they not doing that now ??? Check the calibration on your sarcasm detector, that is exactly his point I believe. Hit it again if its still floating. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:59:21 AM EST
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If only there were satellite photos of the ship.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:05:12 AM EST
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Hmfph. I've got pics of a Slava class when she visited NOB back... in... the day. 89? I'll have to dig them out. Do the hull nos. change?
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:06:11 AM EST
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New task for the R/V Petrel?
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:07:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hit it again. Hit it and the tugs that come for it. Plus any destroyers sent to guard |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:08:15 AM EST
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Pentagon official claimed it was still afloat and moving east...so I'd be inclined to say it hasn't actually sunk. Yet.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:11:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there were satellite photos of the ship. There is a robot joint, an awacs, and there was a global hawk broadcasting on ads-B not long ago. The global hawk was right over top the general area of the sinking over the sea, but it went dark maybe a few minutes ago |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:16:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a robot joint, an awacs, and there was a global hawk broadcasting on ads-B not long ago. The global hawk was right over top the general area of the sinking over the sea, but it went dark maybe a few minutes ago I think those assets are the most important thing NATO is doing for Ukraine. Doesn't matter what weapons you have if you can't target them. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:18:47 AM EST
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:35:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, sunk could be regarded as being one form of bad damage...  “Severe flooding” |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:39:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are 2 rivets up right now. I've not seen that before. One just on the coast of Romania and one looking at kaliningrad. E-3s up too. I think those assets are the most important thing NATO is doing for Ukraine. Doesn't matter what weapons you have if you can't target them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a robot joint, an awacs, and there was a global hawk broadcasting on ads-B not long ago. The global hawk was right over top the general area of the sinking over the sea, but it went dark maybe a few minutes ago I think those assets are the most important thing NATO is doing for Ukraine. Doesn't matter what weapons you have if you can't target them. Why no pictures? Someone should be able and willing to confirm definitively whether it has sunk or not. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:42:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question: how would an Iowa class hold up to a hit from a modern anti-ship missile? That would depend on the missile warhead size and type, and the attack profile, and where exactly it hit. Modern ASMs aren't built to hit 18 inch hardened cemented armor such as the conning tower of an Iowa class and still function. Similar story for the belt and face of the turrets. Superstructure, anywhere not in the armored citidel, and to a lesser degree the decks, tops and sides of turrets are more vulnerable, and things like optics, antennas are still fragile. Short answer is an Iowa is probably the most resistant exisitng hull against ASMs but I still wouldn't volunteer to get hit by one. Still could get a mobility kill, firepower kill, or mission kill on it. They could probably shrug off an Exocet, but a Shipwreck might be another kettle of fish. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:44:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why no pictures? Someone should be able and willing to confirm definitively whether it has sunk or not. nothing on the Pentagon's Instagram yet? |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:45:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hit it again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is from Russian Defence Ministry. Don't know how much I would trust it. Russian Ministry of Defense: The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped. Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged. The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. Arrangements are being made to tow the cruiser to port. The cause of the fire is under investigation Hit it again.  Die Hard - Hans Gruber Hit It Again |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:51:21 AM EST
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Womp womp
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:51:34 AM EST
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The Russians and the North Koreans have a fixation on large missiles
 
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:51:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. The literal definition of a capital warship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Belgrano (ex-Pheonix) was a cruiser. Cruisers are not "capital warships": this term is usually reserved for battleships, battlecruisers, and aircraft carriers. No. "Flagship" =/= "capital ship". Definition of flagship 1: the ship that carries the commander of a fleet or subdivision of a fleet and flies the commander's flag That can literally be a garbage scow. Being a flagship does not confer "capital ship" status. Definition of capital ship : a warship of the first rank in size and armament : a major surface ship (as a battleship, cruiser, aircraft carrier) Please note - the Merriam Webster definition includes "cruiser", but in this sense they are referring to vessels such as the Kirov class battlecruisers or the Alaska class ... substantially larger and more important vessels than the Moskva. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:56:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmfph. I've got pics of a Slava class when she visited NOB back... in... the day. 89? I'll have to dig them out. Do the hull nos. change? That was the Marshall Ustinov. I took the tour, traded some sweet swag, conversed a little via my rudimentary German that a few of them also understood. Ended up with one of those big round dress uniform hats, with the ship name on a ribbon and the big hammersickle pin, some packs of their horrible smokes, a wierd lighter, and a set of ribbons with a medal of some sort. They got a zippo lighter and 2 packs of Camel lights, along with a few loosies. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:57:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's one of the largest class of surface combatant in the Russian navy, the only thing larger is the Kirov. The kirov is a big ole boat with a lot of hurt on tap. The Slava is similar to our Ticonderoga class cruisers in purpose. The Ticos are primarily air defense, the Slava does air defense and surface warfare. It's a major asset, they don't have carriers so this one is way up on the list, I think they only have a couple Kirovs in service. They have a carrier - it just isn't feeling well right now. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:02:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are 2 rivets up right now. I've not seen that before. One just on the coast of Romania and one looking at kaliningrad. E-3s up too. I think those assets are the most important thing NATO is doing for Ukraine. Doesn't matter what weapons you have if you can't target them. Plus there is an E=8C from time to time. What is not so usual is that there is a Boeing WC-135 Constant Phoenix airborne over the UK now. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:10:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians and the North Koreans have a fixation on large missiles https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQTuTFuXMAIaQu9?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQ5KU4XwAIH4qR?format=jpg&name=small In Soviet Russia, big missiles burn big ships |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:23:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neptune missile damage on a practice ship https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQViamX0AMUUuO?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQVianWYAMferq?format=jpg&name=medium Damn, I seriously want to see pics of the aftermath.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:25:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hit it and the tugs that come for it. Plus any destroyers sent to guard Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hit it again. Hit it and the tugs that come for it. Plus any destroyers sent to guard Exactly. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:28:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Kursk"  |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:31:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hit it again. Would definitely prove the missile side of the story. The Brits have been sending anti-ship missiles. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:32:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, I seriously want to see pics of the aftermath. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Neptune missile damage on a practice ship https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQViamX0AMUUuO?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQVianWYAMferq?format=jpg&name=medium Damn, I seriously want to see pics of the aftermath. Not from a Neptune test. That is the HMS Boxer in 2004. Sunk as a target ship. That damage is from a harpoon, which has a 50% larger warhead than a Neptune. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:34:34 AM EST
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:37:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Severe flooding” Float anomaly |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:59:07 AM EST
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Anyone have a map of the current Russian fleet in the Black Sea? Would be interesting to see other ship available as reefs. For the time being, I would think that anything that can fire missiles to the shore would be an immediate target. Troop carriers and assault ships not as important at this point.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 9:59:41 AM EST
[#45]
 Moskva Cruiser: What You Need To Know |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 10:12:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pentagon official claimed it was still afloat and moving east...so I'd be inclined to say it hasn't actually sunk. Yet. That's unfortunate. Let's hope that info is incorrect. If it is still afloat, maybe we will get lucky and it will sink under tow or just be a total loss. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 10:24:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. My father served from 44 to 69, fuck that noise. Army all the way! Me too. 2 uncles during WW2 on destroyers. I went Airborne. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 10:24:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A good thing but putin is gonna retaliate Well yeah...that's what they all want... And then NATA aka U.S.A. can jump in...with Biden as Commander In Chief. (run by Obama-Soros & Company) |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 10:26:38 AM EST
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New info is that it has “major” damage and is heading back to port.
Pentagon says it’s under its own power. Official Russian MOD says it’s being towed. I guess the Russian mod is more pessimistic? Lol |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 10:28:46 AM EST
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Just a few paint chips. Nothing to see here.
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