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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:02:31 PM EST
I remember first hearing about these when I was about 12yrs old, circa 1997 and thinking they were neat looking as hell
Guys more educated on the fighter/tactical side of house how do these compare to our Viper and Bug? 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:08:59 PM EST
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I remember first hearing about these when I was about 12yrs old, circa 1997. Guys more educated on the fighter/tactical side of house how do these compare to our Viper and Bug? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Air-to-air_with_a_Czech_Saab_Gripen_with_AFB_%C4%8C%C3%A1slav_in_the_background.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:10:23 PM EST
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Saab did a cool video for it.
 Gripen and g-force |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:11:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it has an extra pair of little wings so it flies almost twice as good... |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:11:17 PM EST
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Aren't/weren't you in the AF?
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:11:29 PM EST
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Sexeh
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:12:28 PM EST
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:12:30 PM EST
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LOL. In before the swede.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:14:33 PM EST
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:16:38 PM EST
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I’ll let you in on a secret....aircraft mechanics aren’t experts on all foreign military aircraft and their capabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:16:40 PM EST
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I’ll let you in on a secret....aircraft mechanics aren’t experts on all foreign military aircraft and their capabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:17:28 PM EST
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I’ll let you in on a secret....aircraft mechanics aren’t experts on all foreign military aircraft and their capabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't/weren't you in the AF? The Gripen is one of my favorite aircraft. Efficiency with a capital E. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:17:32 PM EST
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They are peasants after all, I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:18:21 PM EST
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Relevant photo:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:19:01 PM EST
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Got a soft spot for the SupaBug myself... but I'm obviously biased.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:19:22 PM EST
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Knuckle dragging apes in my and Beamy’s cases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:20:51 PM EST
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You give yourselves too much credit...you guys are more like baboons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:28:53 PM EST
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It's not the most modern, but I always thought the J-35 was the coolest looking Saab jet.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:31:21 PM EST
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Would volunteer to drive
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:31:56 PM EST
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:32:51 PM EST
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/182537/Gripen_jpg-740065.JPG What's most impressive is that they came with Sirius/XM radio way back then. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:34:43 PM EST
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I don’t have to take this abuse. Me and my red ass are leaving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:42:50 PM EST
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It's not the most modern, but I always thought the J-35 was the coolest looking Saab jet. https://i.redd.it/owevt3yefyhz.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:51:57 PM EST
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Channel 37 OCTANE Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/182537/Gripen_jpg-740065.JPG What's most impressive is that they came with Sirius/XM radio way back then. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:52:11 PM EST
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Double Liquid Metal, even.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:52:47 PM EST
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No. It's Swedish, so Channel 40, Liquid Metal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/182537/Gripen_jpg-740065.JPG What's most impressive is that they came with Sirius/XM radio way back then. good call 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:59:19 PM EST
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/182537/Gripen_jpg-740065.JPG What's most impressive is that they came with Sirius/XM radio way back then.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 5:04:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing UHF antenna since that is what the blade antenna on top of F-15Es are. Satellite antennas are shaped differently. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54089/32244524252_2981c7f9e9_b_jpg-740089.JPG |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 5:06:59 PM EST
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It's not the most modern, but I always thought the J-35 was the coolest looking Saab jet. https://i.redd.it/owevt3yefyhz.jpg   Attached File |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 5:10:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThose things look like they belong in a sci-fi movie
The -39 Gripen is a badass looking dart though. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 5:18:12 PM EST
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Posted: 11/15/2018 5:19:50 PM EST
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The Viggen is pretty cool looking too. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54089/ja37di_37428_1024_jpg-740107.JPG |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 7:47:58 PM EST
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They come from the factory in a big flat cardboard box. They are assembled entirely from pieces of cleverly-interlocking particle board and the only fasteners are pins and pegs, no screws or bolts.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 8:03:33 PM EST
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They're good aircraft, though they suffer somewhat from the same thing that makes them effective: They're small.
Now, that said... that doesn't mean they're not good, especially in this era of Precision Guided munitions that make carrying a lot less important than it used to be. They're Agile, good avionics, very western-compatible... it's a great aircraft for a Nation on a budget, and would be a good 'low' aircraft to pair with something else. I understand why some countries pick them over F-16's. I also understand why some countries... don't. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 8:22:46 PM EST
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@swede1986 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 8:25:34 PM EST
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They're good aircraft, though they suffer somewhat from the same thing that makes them effective: They're small. Now, that said... that doesn't mean they're not good, especially in this era of Precision Guided munitions that make carrying a lot less important than it used to be. They're Agile, good avionics, very western-compatible... it's a great aircraft for a Nation on a budget, and would be a good 'low' aircraft to pair with something else. I understand why some countries pick them over F-16's. I also understand why some countries... don't. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 8:30:37 PM EST
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How about all this Swedish sexiness in a row? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66085/E777C936-68E2-4CD6-B6DE-AD886B6D5C17_jpeg-740047.JPG |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:30:39 PM EST
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So essentially a modern, faster F-5 Tiger II? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're good aircraft, though they suffer somewhat from the same thing that makes them effective: They're small. Now, that said... that doesn't mean they're not good, especially in this era of Precision Guided munitions that make carrying a lot less important than it used to be. They're Agile, good avionics, very western-compatible... it's a great aircraft for a Nation on a budget, and would be a good 'low' aircraft to pair with something else. I understand why some countries pick them over F-16's. I also understand why some countries... don't. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:37:04 PM EST
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When it grows up it will be one hell of a fighter jet.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:41:08 PM EST
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It's not the most modern, but I always thought the J-35 was the coolest looking Saab jet. https://i.redd.it/owevt3yefyhz.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:44:11 PM EST
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It's not the most modern, but I always thought the J-35 was the coolest looking Saab jet. https://i.redd.it/owevt3yefyhz.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54089/0990418_jpg-740094.JPG |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:51:51 PM EST
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No love for the Saab 29 "Flying Barrel?"
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:54:35 PM EST
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That's a French plane there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about all this Swedish sexiness in a row? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66085/E777C936-68E2-4CD6-B6DE-AD886B6D5C17_jpeg-740047.JPG |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:00:24 AM EST
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In before the KA whatever the fuck his name is tells you Google that shit.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:31 AM EST
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:12:22 AM EST
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The Gripen is basically the European equivalent of the F-20 Tigershark concept. It is designed to be small, cheap and inexpensive to operate, while still possessing some decent capabilities. It would make an excellent complimentary fighter to the Typhoon or Rafale as the low end of the high-low mix. That said, I wouldn't want is to be my nation's primary fighter aircraft. It is a bit limited when compared to the previously mentioned designs, as well as American designs like the F-15 and F-18 Super Hornet. The Gripen is a tiny little thing and you just can't pack a radar in that nose that is large enough to compete with those found on larger air superiority fighters. The small size also limits the amount of fuel and weapons it can carry, though it is certainly respectable in those regards for such a tiny aircraft.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:39 AM EST
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S. African AF bought a bunch of these (for some serious kickbacks) to replace the Cheetah's and Mirages that were in service. Fucking Saab's are sitting in the hangars - not enough money for replacement canopies, parts for maintenance, fuel or ammo. If you are a 3rd world country, buy Mig. I saw the Gripens at an air show - I think the pilots were some of the last hold outs from the past - don't know if the SAAF has any pilots capable of flying them now....they handled well. That said, I don't know a damn thing about fighter planes.
Anyways, Gripens are cool...I like them. Not as much as the F35, Harrier or Mirage... |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:24:44 AM EST
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S. African AF bought a bunch of these (for some serious kickbacks) to replace the Cheetah's and Mirages that were in service. Fucking Saab's are sitting in the hangars - not enough money for replacement canopies, parts for maintenance, fuel or ammo. If you are a 3rd world country, buy Mig. I saw the Gripens at an air show - I think the pilots were some of the last hold outs from the past - don't know if the SAAF has any pilots capable of flying them now....they handled well. That said, I don't know a damn thing about fighter planes. Anyways, Gripens are cool...I like them. Not as much as the F35, Harrier or Mirage... Plenty of African nations have a non-flying Mig yard-art collection they call an Air Force. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:47:46 AM EST
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There's third-world, and then there is African third-world. Plenty of African nations have a non-flying Mig yard-art collection they call an Air Force. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:50:29 AM EST
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There are still enough decent ground crew folks left in the service there that would have been able to keep something pre Mig29 in the air. I mean FFS, S. Africa has no enemies bordering it...they don't need the latest and greatest. They could probably take on Zimbabwe with up armored crop dusters... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's third-world, and then there is African third-world. Plenty of African nations have a non-flying Mig yard-art collection they call an Air Force. More importantly, they're manned by PRC troops, which means there's an actual chance they might be moderately combat effective. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:57:48 AM EST
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I haven’t really studied them since they aren’t a threat aircraft but a few guesses are:
-Roughly on par with early legacy Hornet and Vipers - Significantly less capable than high lot Supers or Vipers - Would get spanked by their primary threat aircraft (all Flanker variants) That’s all I got. |
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