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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:36:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryI was somewhat interested in the 22lr scorpion evo, but at $1k MSRP… no way except on clearance. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:39:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll add that one result of the inefficiency is a ton of waste heat during charging, which kills battery longevity You guys are confusing using magnetic connectors with inductance charging. Inductance charging = often used on cell phones that support it, no physical electrical connection is made and the charging takes place through inductance. And yes it can generate a little heat and is not that efficient. And magnets can be used to align the induction coils. The Olights use magnets to align the physical connections to charge the battery. It's just Olights proprietary connector that has a magnet to line everything up. So it's electrically same as charging a battery in a charger or with a USB-C cable. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:42:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A milled aluminum mono receiver is cheaper to produce than stamped sheet metal? I guess the third world countries around the world with stamped sheet metal AKs picked them because they were superior to milling. you are entertaining. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thats great, you still own a direct blowback made from the cheapest firearms manufacturing process known to man, and how much did you pay for it? What mags are you using? Glock mags or shitty tec 9 magazines A milled aluminum mono receiver is cheaper to produce than stamped sheet metal? I guess the third world countries around the world with stamped sheet metal AKs picked them because they were superior to milling. you are entertaining. They "picked" them because they got them from the Soviet Union for essentially free. Stamping is not cheap to set up on an industrial scale; there's a reason the original AK was prototyped and went into initial production with a stamped receiver, then had to switch to a machined forging and wasn't back to stamped until the AKM at the end of the 1950s. Getting the welds and riveting to not distort the stampings was a huge problem in the early AKs. So stamping, riveting, and welding is cheap for established industry in large quantities, but machining aluminum isn't exactly rocket science. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:42:48 AM EST
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Quote History$1k MSRP and 10 rd magazines?  This and the decision that the gen 3 Scorpion 9mm can't use the previous generations magazines is also Not sure what management rot is happening over there.. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:44:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may have missed it, but has anyone mentioned the Sabre daggers yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3631_jpeg-3105508.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3630_jpeg-3105504.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3632_jpeg-3105505.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3633_jpeg-3105506.JPG
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:57:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They "picked" them because they got them from the Soviet Union for essentially free. Stamping is not cheap to set up on an industrial scale; there's a reason the original AK was prototyped and went into initial production with a stamped receiver, then had to switch to a machined forging and wasn't back to stamped until the AKM at the end of the 1950s. Getting the welds and riveting to not distort the stampings was a huge problem in the early AKs. So stamping, riveting, and welding is cheap for established industry in large quantities, but machining aluminum isn't exactly rocket science. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thats great, you still own a direct blowback made from the cheapest firearms manufacturing process known to man, and how much did you pay for it? What mags are you using? Glock mags or shitty tec 9 magazines A milled aluminum mono receiver is cheaper to produce than stamped sheet metal? I guess the third world countries around the world with stamped sheet metal AKs picked them because they were superior to milling. you are entertaining. They "picked" them because they got them from the Soviet Union for essentially free. Stamping is not cheap to set up on an industrial scale; there's a reason the original AK was prototyped and went into initial production with a stamped receiver, then had to switch to a machined forging and wasn't back to stamped until the AKM at the end of the 1950s. Getting the welds and riveting to not distort the stampings was a huge problem in the early AKs. So stamping, riveting, and welding is cheap for established industry in large quantities, but machining aluminum isn't exactly rocket science. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 2:30:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not debating the new design PCCs in this thread but I will jump into this shit show to second the fact that blowback 9mm ARs exhibit more recoil than a 5.56 AR. I agree that anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has no experience using them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's true. Anyone who tries to debate this clearly has little to no experience with PCC's I'm not debating the new design PCCs in this thread but I will jump into this shit show to second the fact that blowback 9mm ARs exhibit more recoil than a 5.56 AR. I agree that anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has no experience using them. It may depend on the platform/barrel length. I shot enough of my 16" CX4 to hate it but found the 8" AR-V pleasant to shoot in comparison and both are blowback designs. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 2:46:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryVery cool! Like alternate history cool. I’m tempted to say it’s just a range toy but suppressive fire is serious bidness. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 3:28:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very cool! Like alternate history cool. I’m tempted to say it’s just a range toy but suppressive fire is serious bidness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Very cool! Like alternate history cool. I’m tempted to say it’s just a range toy but suppressive fire is serious bidness. It’s based off a real gun fyi. Colt 950 LSW think of it as a heavily modified open bolt m-16a2/3. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 3:31:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Confirmation that the PSA X5.7 is NOT a chassis for the Rock 5.7 and is a complete contained gun, with many parts based on the Rock 5.7. Also "were working on getting a binary trigger out there" so maybe they are getting into the binary game 1st hand or working with a 3rd party, either way thats a good sign.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_W4YAEFKsit looks a lot better on video / in person than the photos they posted. Still think the look of the grip needs to change but overall I am sold Couldn't agree more. I like everything about that gun except for the grip. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 5:17:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a neat project, but I was really hoping Nodak would be re-releasing 10/22 stuff at shot. The Ranch and 10/22 sights are going to be brought back. The Ranch stuff will be first. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:22:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was somewhat interested in the 22lr scorpion evo, but at $1k MSRP… no way except on clearance. Quote HistoryQuoted: I was somewhat interested in the 22lr scorpion evo, but at $1k MSRP… no way except on clearance. No pistol version is likely due to importation issues. Getting enough points would be an issue. But it's another one the 3d printer community came up with and a company made come alive. After the community developed a 3d printed Scorpion, someone put a AR 22lr conversion kit, barrel, and FCG inside the Scorpion receiver, and 3d printed the magazines. Called the ScARpion 22, it came out in August 2021.  The Scarpion Kharn |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:24:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryWant.  Kharn |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:36:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We get it, you hate everything. I’m personally very excited about the DD H9. I’m a fan of what they produce generally. I imagine the H9 will be a quality gun. Mine should be in hand by Friday. I have a feeling this will be a big seller for them! So far that’s the only gun that made me pull out my wallet. Just out of curiosity, what was it about the H9 made you pull the trigger (I crack myself up...)? |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:43:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say 3rd is Cloud.... they completely redid their switches due to customer demand. Might not have "released" anything new but they typically haven't done any drop at Shot in the past. Huh, I missed the news about a dual lead CD switch. That's pretty huge for me. I prefer the CD lights (love my REIN 2.0), but not being able to use them with an MFAL has pushed me more towards modlights and the Weltool heads. Just in time for the new Holosun IRIS, too. Good timing. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:46:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryFinally something from shot show that is actually being made and that I’d want to buy. Msrp seems kinda high tho. Wonder what 25rd mags will cost? |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 8:22:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am asking the same questions to CZ management, hoping for a response soon. In the .22 Scorpion video posted I believe the rep said 25 round mags would be coming later. 1:45 |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 8:42:50 AM EST
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I was really hoping we'd see some more delayed blowback PCCs this year, but so far it looks like all lazy basic blowback regurgitations on the PCC side.
Lots of cool stuff from PSA though, seems like we're probably a year out from getting hands on stuff like the X57 since the poll is on where to focus further development efforts. The Smith lever gun is cool, but nearly 20" barrel on a threaded.44 mag is a head scratcher, should be ~16". |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 8:43:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see people saying holoson but did I miss something there? I checked out their 1 optic that does thermal and of few I found, only 1 battery worked. The green outline was neat but just flooded everything. The night vision version was better. Didn't seem to wash everything out. But again, the sightmark thermal seemed alot better. I will say though, their handgun thermal was pretty cool. Got a link to the sightmark thermal? |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 8:57:12 AM EST
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Not sure if these have been posted but SDS/MAC MP5 clones. Street price may be around $1000.
 Affordable MP5 Clones! -- SHOT Show 2024 |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:30:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if these have been posted but SDS/MAC MP5 clones. Street price may be around $1000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAhGPM_R6YAnd retards ask “wHeRe PsA mP5?” Because they are being undercut so much by the Turks… |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:34:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And retards ask “wHeRe PsA mP5?” Because they are being undercut so much by the Turks… Okay, fair. But where Krink? |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:42:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A milled aluminum mono receiver is cheaper to produce than stamped sheet metal? I guess the third world countries around the world with stamped sheet metal AKs picked them because they were superior to milling. you are entertaining. Spoiler Alert: I’m a tool and die maker of 33 years who spent twenty years in metal stampings, cold heading, forging, and hydro forming, and now build automated production cells for manufacturing. I’m literally the guy who builds the machinery to make a SCAR, and the guy who builds and maintains the tooling for a stamped gun like HK makes. The difference between a machined extrusion today and a stamped gun is that the extruded parts are cradle to grave machined in one CNC production machine, then sent out for tumbling and anodizing and put on the gun at assembly. The stamped parts might “look” like half of a gun coming out of the press, but there is manual labor in handling them, opportunity to misalign parts in welding fixtures, the cost of welding, the cost of grinding and deburring, and refinishing-usually by an outside vendor because the chemicals are nasty and it’s an EPA nightmare. ETA: there is rather significant cost in buying presses and weld cells as well as a building large and tall enough for storage and stamping operations. Stamped and “real steel” guns are cool if you are an enthusiast, but properly engineered weapons using lighter and more modern materials are objectively superior and cheaper in every way. The modern extruded component rifle is the next generation of efficient engineering over the genius of Stoner’s AR-15….. he used aluminum forging a in a way that slashed production costs and made for a safer gun because the only thing that mattered was the barrel extension being set at the factory at assembly. Nothing on an AR15 matters in terms of tolerancing because the important part is all in the barrel extension and the upper and lower just provide for a convenient place to hold a magazine, trigger group, and bolt carrier….. the Extruded aluminum receiver takes that to the next level because now you just throw a piece of cheap extrusion you buy by the foot and most of the mill work is done already instead of buying expensive forgings. Marketing departments lie to you, brother. ARFCOM doesn’t. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:45:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the lever guns coming out. Do the manufacturers think semi-autos will be banned? No. They're only responding to what people want to buy. The days of $350 336's and 94's cranked out by the thousands on dilapidated tooling are over, leaving an empty space in the market. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:49:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't agree more. I like everything about that gun except for the grip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Confirmation that the PSA X5.7 is NOT a chassis for the Rock 5.7 and is a complete contained gun, with many parts based on the Rock 5.7. Also "were working on getting a binary trigger out there" so maybe they are getting into the binary game 1st hand or working with a 3rd party, either way thats a good sign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_W4YAEFKsit looks a lot better on video / in person than the photos they posted. Still think the look of the grip needs to change but overall I am sold Couldn't agree more. I like everything about that gun except for the grip. Gonna also need two of these! Hoping the grip will look a little different on the injection molded final product. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:00:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Okay, fair. But where Krink?  Krink update! |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:11:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Blued Pythons, it seems.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000023429_jpg-3105285.JPG Hopefully a Combat Elite Blued Python. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:12:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea you gona plug your pistol into your cigarettes lighter. I know  How about a holster with a usb charging station and LED docking lights to help you see better to holster yer pistol, or just have multiple rechargeable battery's and change them just like nowA light that lets you change the batteries! It’s a technological breakthrough! |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:17:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoiler Alert: I’m a tool and die maker of 33 years who spent twenty years in metal stampings, cold heading, forging, and hydro forming, and now build automated production cells for manufacturing. I’m literally the guy who builds the machinery to make a SCAR, and the guy who builds and maintains the tooling for a stamped gun like HK makes. The difference between a machined extrusion today and a stamped gun is that the extruded parts are cradle to grave machined in one CNC production machine, then sent out for tumbling and anodizing and put on the gun at assembly. The stamped parts might “look” like half of a gun coming out of the press, but there is manual labor in handling them, opportunity to misalign parts in welding fixtures, the cost of welding, the cost of grinding and deburring, and refinishing-usually by an outside vendor because the chemicals are nasty and it’s an EPA nightmare. ETA: there is rather significant cost in buying presses and weld cells as well as a building large and tall enough for storage and stamping operations. Stamped and “real steel” guns are cool if you are an enthusiast, but properly engineered weapons using lighter and more modern materials are objectively superior and cheaper in every way. The modern extruded component rifle is the next generation of efficient engineering over the genius of Stoner’s AR-15….. he used aluminum forging a in a way that slashed production costs and made for a safer gun because the only thing that mattered was the barrel extension being set at the factory at assembly. Nothing on an AR15 matters in terms of tolerancing because the important part is all in the barrel extension and the upper and lower just provide for a convenient place to hold a magazine, trigger group, and bolt carrier….. the Extruded aluminum receiver takes that to the next level because now you just throw a piece of cheap extrusion you buy by the foot and most of the mill work is done already instead of buying expensive forgings. Marketing departments lie to you, brother. ARFCOM doesn’t. I just want to say, great post. @TheOtherDave |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:19:44 AM EST
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And yet with all the lever gun hoopla and growing NFA popularity, Rossi STILL can’t seem to bring back the Ranch Hand.
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:23:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: surefire has been selling rechargeable CR123s for a while. And their 18650's have micro usb ports. Much better than magnetic charging. Quote HistoryQuoted: surefire has been selling rechargeable CR123s for a while. And their 18650's have micro usb ports. Much better than magnetic charging. Quoted: Magnetic charging is very inefficient, and if say the light is dead, it's better to be able to quickly change batteries and have the light be at 100% power, vs needing to give it time to charge *middle of gunfight* Hang on bro, my light is dead. I need to take my Surefire off my gun real quick, remove the tailcap, take the battery out, find an AC adapter and micro USB cord, plug it in and wait a couple hours. Man I'm glad I don't have one of those inefficient magnetic charging lights that take like 3 hours to charge!!! I'll be back in this gunfight in no time, just 2 hours more hours and then I can reassemble my light and reattach it to my gun!!!  |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:30:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet with all the lever gun hoopla and growing NFA popularity, Rossi STILL can’t seem to bring back the Ranch Hand. SBR .38 special is best lever gun, I love mine. When I bought it 10 years ago threaded level actions were rare. Now they seem to be the rage. Manufactures have to keep selling us new things so the trend makes sense. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:36:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoiler Alert: I’m a tool and die maker of 33 years who spent twenty years in metal stampings, cold heading, forging, and hydro forming, and now build automated production cells for manufacturing. I’m literally the guy who builds the machinery to make a SCAR, and the guy who builds and maintains the tooling for a stamped gun like HK makes. The difference between a machined extrusion today and a stamped gun is that the extruded parts are cradle to grave machined in one CNC production machine, then sent out for tumbling and anodizing and put on the gun at assembly. The stamped parts might “look” like half of a gun coming out of the press, but there is manual labor in handling them, opportunity to misalign parts in welding fixtures, the cost of welding, the cost of grinding and deburring, and refinishing-usually by an outside vendor because the chemicals are nasty and it’s an EPA nightmare. ETA: there is rather significant cost in buying presses and weld cells as well as a building large and tall enough for storage and stamping operations. Stamped and “real steel” guns are cool if you are an enthusiast, but properly engineered weapons using lighter and more modern materials are objectively superior and cheaper in every way. The modern extruded component rifle is the next generation of efficient engineering over the genius of Stoner’s AR-15….. he used aluminum forging a in a way that slashed production costs and made for a safer gun because the only thing that mattered was the barrel extension being set at the factory at assembly. Nothing on an AR15 matters in terms of tolerancing because the important part is all in the barrel extension and the upper and lower just provide for a convenient place to hold a magazine, trigger group, and bolt carrier….. the Extruded aluminum receiver takes that to the next level because now you just throw a piece of cheap extrusion you buy by the foot and most of the mill work is done already instead of buying expensive forgings. Marketing departments lie to you, brother. ARFCOM doesn’t.  My dad was a tool and die maker for 40 years before he passed, and was one of the smartest men I've ever known. Vastly underrated profession. Cheers to you. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:38:30 AM EST
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Looks like another year of CZ not announcing the Bren 2 BR
 ETA: And no IWI ARAD And no Galil ACE Gen 1 And no news on the MKE 33 or 91 clones ...as for the people asking about the G36. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't HK normally do their big reveals at the NRA show? |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:40:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *middle of gunfight* Hang on bro, my light is dead. I need to take my Surefire off my gun real quick, remove the tailcap, take the battery out, find an AC adapter and micro USB cord, plug it in and wait a couple hours. Man I'm glad I don't have one of those inefficient magnetic charging lights that take like 3 hours to charge!!! I'll be back in this gunfight in no time, just 2 hours more hours and then I can reassemble my light and reattach it to my gun!!! If you are waiting for a gunfight to happen before you find the condition of your equipment, you're setting yourself up for failure and you only have yourself to blame. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:41:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And retards ask “wHeRe PsA mP5?” Because they are being undercut so much by the Turks… The Jakl 9mm is superior which probably why PSA left trailer park stampings to the EU. 
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:43:45 AM EST
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I want to see all the night vision industry booths. Not a whole lot out yet.
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:49:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad was a tool and die maker for 40 years before he passed, and was one of the smartest men I've ever known. Vastly underrated profession. Cheers to you. It’s a fantastic career option and a great direction to point a young man with mechanical aptitude and no desire for college. All the pay of a working professional (and then some), respect, and you leave the job at work when you go home. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:55:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want to say, great post. @TheOtherDave Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spoiler Alert: I’m a tool and die maker of 33 years who spent twenty years in metal stampings, cold heading, forging, and hydro forming, and now build automated production cells for manufacturing. I’m literally the guy who builds the machinery to make a SCAR, and the guy who builds and maintains the tooling for a stamped gun like HK makes. The difference between a machined extrusion today and a stamped gun is that the extruded parts are cradle to grave machined in one CNC production machine, then sent out for tumbling and anodizing and put on the gun at assembly. The stamped parts might “look” like half of a gun coming out of the press, but there is manual labor in handling them, opportunity to misalign parts in welding fixtures, the cost of welding, the cost of grinding and deburring, and refinishing-usually by an outside vendor because the chemicals are nasty and it’s an EPA nightmare. ETA: there is rather significant cost in buying presses and weld cells as well as a building large and tall enough for storage and stamping operations. Stamped and “real steel” guns are cool if you are an enthusiast, but properly engineered weapons using lighter and more modern materials are objectively superior and cheaper in every way. The modern extruded component rifle is the next generation of efficient engineering over the genius of Stoner’s AR-15….. he used aluminum forging a in a way that slashed production costs and made for a safer gun because the only thing that mattered was the barrel extension being set at the factory at assembly. Nothing on an AR15 matters in terms of tolerancing because the important part is all in the barrel extension and the upper and lower just provide for a convenient place to hold a magazine, trigger group, and bolt carrier….. the Extruded aluminum receiver takes that to the next level because now you just throw a piece of cheap extrusion you buy by the foot and most of the mill work is done already instead of buying expensive forgings. Marketing departments lie to you, brother. ARFCOM doesn’t. I just want to say, great post. @TheOtherDave +1 I can't imagine what FN's profit margins are like on the SCAR. 20-year old design, extruded aluminum receiver, cheap plastic furniture, American vs Belgian labor now. And yet they hike the price year over year. FN barrel magic is strong indeed, but not thousands of dollars special. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:09:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $1k MSRP and 10 rd magazines? This and the decision that the gen 3 Scorpion 9mm can't use the previous generations magazines is also Not sure what management rot is happening over there.. The colt execs somehow ended up running CZ-USA is what happened. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:11:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 I can't imagine what FN's profit margins are like on the SCAR. 20-year old design, extruded aluminum receiver, cheap plastic furniture, American vs Belgian labor now. And yet they hike the price year over year. FN barrel magic is strong indeed, but not thousands of dollars special. FN likely does alright based on contracts. I can't imagine they are surviving on civillian sales. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:12:12 AM EST
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I feel like there’s nowhere to follow shot releases cleanly this year… any suggestions?
Also sweet drop  Holosun AEMS Max - When Big Isn't Big Enough |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:14:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if it's magnetic, like the Olight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: INNOVATION! TLR7 with a rechargeable lithium battery. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000023420_jpg-3104800.JPG Seems odd to advertise as rechargeable but not have a way to charge the battery without removing it. Yeah that’s dumb. Not really, if your battery is dead or going dead, you need to put another battery in and the dead one on to charge. Adding a charging port is more crap to get dirty. Not if it's magnetic, like the Olight. Completely missed the point. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:15:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The colt execs somehow ended up running CZ-USA is what happened. CZ-USA isn't helping either between the AR style mag release on the Evo needing different mags and the moronic changes to the US market Bren 2 versions |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:15:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The colt execs somehow ended up running CZ-USA is what happened. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $1k MSRP and 10 rd magazines? This and the decision that the gen 3 Scorpion 9mm can't use the previous generations magazines is also Not sure what management rot is happening over there.. The colt execs somehow ended up running CZ-USA is what happened. A few things: CZ-USA was a crap company, and they're no big loss. Scorpion design details are handled by CZ-UB in the Czech Republic, not importer people here. The 1968 GCA still exists and has influenced which Scorpion configurations we can get since day 1. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:27:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like there’s nowhere to follow shot releases cleanly this year… any suggestions? Also sweet drop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJejhjB2F_0This |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:40:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ranch and 10/22 sights are going to be brought back. The Ranch stuff will be first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a neat project, but I was really hoping Nodak would be re-releasing 10/22 stuff at shot. The Ranch and 10/22 sights are going to be brought back. The Ranch stuff will be first. Great! Thanks for confirming. Quoted: Not sure if these have been posted but SDS/MAC MP5 clones. Street price may be around $1000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAhGPM_R6YSounds like they’ll be made by MKE, if prices drop even lower this year I’ll be picking up a Turk K. Sweet, the krink cometh. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:43:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And no IWI ARAD And no Galil ACE Gen 1 Gen1s are never coming back. They need to figure out a way to lose some weight on the gen III ACEs. I am sad about the Arad, too. Wonder if there's a patent issue in the way somehow. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:47:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s based off a real gun fyi. Colt 950 LSW think of it as a heavily modified open bolt m-16a2/3. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.MywljZJhY482oCvJRTvWAQHaC9%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=9f60ecd405c47140addfc69bf7a212438df3cd286cd6cdece53bc73777ad693b&ipo=images Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Very cool! Like alternate history cool. I’m tempted to say it’s just a range toy but suppressive fire is serious bidness. It’s based off a real gun fyi. Colt 950 LSW think of it as a heavily modified open bolt m-16a2/3. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.MywljZJhY482oCvJRTvWAQHaC9%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=9f60ecd405c47140addfc69bf7a212438df3cd286cd6cdece53bc73777ad693b&ipo=images I've shot one of the handfuls of originals in private hands, and they really are awesome. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:50:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 I can't imagine what FN's profit margins are like on the SCAR. 20-year old design, extruded aluminum receiver, cheap plastic furniture, American vs Belgian labor now. And yet they hike the price year over year. FN barrel magic is strong indeed, but not thousands of dollars special. The real answer to what these cost to produce (not counting engineering, tooling, benefits etc.) really is about what a good airsoft copy costs. The processes to make the copy is almost the same-some components like the barrel will be more, but in the ballpark. |
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