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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather say feed me some F-16s or F-15s over itz muh stelth bs. I doubt you’ll be flying anything in a threat environment. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The SU-57 meme “Stealth” “5th Gen” Remember when not so long ago GD was practically in a bitch panic over this russian stealth fighter? "DoN't UNderEStimaTE TEh RUssiANS!" Let's play the Chinese version of that game now. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:26:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when not so long ago GD was practically in a bitch panic over this russian stealth fighter? Let's play the Chinese version of that game now. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:27:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Production SU-57 built: 6 (one crashed, only 5 flying) Production F-35 built: 850+ GD: The F35 sucks, bring back the Sopwith Camels, dur hur dur. F35 hate on here is truly irrational. Okay now let's talk about bomber and tanker procurement. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:35:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aerodynamic filler fixes that. 8802 fixes all.   |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:35:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like the Chinese stealth fighter is about as fake as their ghost cities. No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:47:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I feel like the Chinese stealth fighter is about as fake as their ghost cities. No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. Thanks Bill |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. That didn't take long. Even better, they said the same thing about the Su-57. This thread is now about chinese hypersonics. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:58:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 8:59:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. I cannot rightly comprehend the confusion of mind it must take to believe the propaganda issued by a Face Culture. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:00:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw all that. F-4’s!! I guess that was going to come up sooner or later. ?? |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:02:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay now let's talk about bomber and tanker procurement. We’re going to need a bigger thread. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:19:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I understand, the F-15EX sales are a thing because of two reasons: A. The F-35 isn't a direct replacement of the F-15. The F-15's mission is different than the F-35's. and B. Even if you discount "A," the line for the F-35 can't keep up with the amount of planes it has to replace due to the older frames aging out, so it makes sense to buy some brand-new F-15s that are even more capable than the current older ones. This. Especially the aging airframe issue. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That didn't take long. Even better, they said the same thing about the Su-57. This thread is now about chinese hypersonics. Not really It was stated at the first reveal that the Felon wasn’t LO. The intakes with exposed engine blades was the first indication. The J20 has our intake technology. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stealing technology is one thing, but applying it effectively is another. I know we can't underestimate China's capabilities but do you really think they got everything right with their first stealth fighter? They got it more “right” than the Russians. The fact that we broke out our 117s as red air for our pilots to chase around should be an indication of LO technology being used by our potential adversaries. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:46:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I feel like the Chinese stealth fighter is about as fake as their ghost cities. No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. It literally uses a jet engine designed by russiahttps://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-engine-problems-despite-new-tech-for-j-20-stealth-fighters/?amp Sorry I guess china tried to make their own but: "China has been working for years to develop a capable homegrown engine for its fighter jet. As previously reported by the EurAsian Times, China has replaced the Russian engines with domestically made WS-10 engines for its J-20 stealth fighters. However, numerous reports have claimed that these indigenous engines are still falling short and do not provide enough thrust compared to the Russian ones." |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:49:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw that POS F-35 garbage. Bring back the F-86. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:50:45 AM EDT
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I thought Russia coined the term "Quantity has a quality all its own."
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:54:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It literally uses a jet engine designed by russia Yep Has nothing to do with LO. Other than the smoke trail. LOL The J20 is designed for long range missions out over the water with little to no IFR capability. It is a fuel truck with missiles and LO. LO the got from samples off a downed helo and 117 along with the design elements from the 35 and 22. Our jets are great and can handle them through superior training and weapons but that doesn’t negate the fact that the J20 is a capable LO fighter, designed from the start to fight a war in the pacific. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 9:54:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw that POS F-35 garbage. Bring back the F-14. This....I recently watched a documentary where and F-14 took out multiple SU-57's.....meanwhile Fat Amy just sat on the carrier and didn't help the entire mission!! |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:13:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then both platforms are on a race to see who can't fly sorties and be called up... I really want the F-15EX to win the day lol. The 35 is in a much better position to have an impact, but the f15ex is interesting because it leverages existing technology and is much more mature overall. I always liked the idea of the program because it's still better than 90% of what's flying right now in other countries and could be used to fill out numbers in a war of attrition. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:16:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:19:29 AM EDT
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When the Indians back out of buying your plane because it's such a huge piece of shit...
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:29:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F35 is doing pretty good and costs less than the F15ex. Why am I not surprised. Boeing probably needs cash to fortify the STL campus given the surrounding area. TC |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:31:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw that POS F-35 garbage. Bring back the F-14. the f14 is a fair match for the SU-57, ive seen a documentary about it...
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:37:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2022 10:47:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And is autism a bad thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m convinced that most of the accounts that participate in these threads are bots. Or tediously autistic And is autism a bad thing? I don't have the tism, but I did work on a project that allowed me to interact with F-35 pilots and learn about its integration into other systems. It's made me a believer in the jet and it brings significant capabilities to the fight. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:32:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep Has nothing to do with LO. Other than the smoke trail. LOL The J20 is designed for long range missions out over the water with little to no IFR capability. It is a fuel truck with missiles and LO. LO the got from samples off a downed helo and 117 along with the design elements from the 35 and 22. Our jets are great and can handle them through superior training and weapons but that doesn’t negate the fact that the J20 is a capable LO fighter, designed from the start to fight a war in the pacific. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It literally uses a jet engine designed by russia Yep Has nothing to do with LO. Other than the smoke trail. LOL The J20 is designed for long range missions out over the water with little to no IFR capability. It is a fuel truck with missiles and LO. LO the got from samples off a downed helo and 117 along with the design elements from the 35 and 22. Our jets are great and can handle them through superior training and weapons but that doesn’t negate the fact that the J20 is a capable LO fighter, designed from the start to fight a war in the pacific. The J20 is not a gen 5 lo plane. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:37:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:47:47 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why am I not surprised. Boeing probably needs cash to fortify the STL campus given the surrounding area. TC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: F35 is doing pretty good and costs less than the F15ex. Why am I not surprised. Boeing probably needs cash to fortify the STL campus given the surrounding area. TC Plus, the contract gate guards wear revolvers. Sometimes they are awake when a car stops to show an employee badge. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:48:01 AM EDT
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Me: Can we get a stealth fighter?
Mom: We have a stealth fighter at home. Stealth fighter at home: Quote HistoryQuoted: You're probably right. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/Su-57-Screws_jpeg-2567087.JPG |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:53:31 AM EDT
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"you could pull it out of a river packed with mud after 10 years and it'd work fine" or some shit
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Posted: 10/18/2022 11:57:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the Indians back out of buying your plane because it's such a huge piece of shit... |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 12:08:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No Their shit is legit. J20 has legs and carries a shit ton. It uses our developed technology that they stole. -Questionable if the radar is worth a shit. -Questionable stealth. Esp from side and rear aspects. Indians were able to track them (though they could have been using reflectors to conceal its true capabilities). -Motors still aren't worked out but latest is that some of the newer ones are testing the WS15. They'd still likely be a big threat to ships, AWACs, Tankers, and 4th Gen...but i'd hate to be a Chinese Pilot flying unfriendly skies with 22s and 35s around. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 12:44:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The SU’s look awesome and so are the paint jobs. I’m sure the f35 is better but it’s ugly as fuck! |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:05:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: -Questionable if the radar is worth a shit. -Questionable stealth. Esp from side and rear aspects. Indians were able to track them (though they could have been using reflectors to conceal its true capabilities). -Motors still aren't worked out but latest is that some of the newer ones are testing the WS15. They'd still likely be a big threat to ships, AWACs, Tankers, and 4th Gen...but i'd hate to be a Chinese Pilot flying unfriendly skies with 22s and 35s around. Bingo A Viper or Eagle driver must respect them. They aren’t USAF standard but they are capable of beating our 4gen aircraft such as the 15/16/18 which still make up the majority of our fighter fleet. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:06:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI can hear that picture and I bet midcap loves the 35. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:11:10 PM EDT
[#38]
that was ultimately one of the design goals of the 35.
Be able to pump them out cheaper than any f22 or upgraded f16 or f15 and near meet or beat the capabilities of the legacy crafts. I hope we pump out a fuckload more of them to offset the initial cost and actually realize that. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *slaps SU-57* this shit is a shell but iz ready to go. *Slaps F-35* This shit will work but it'll be expensive as shit and the supply chain for it is a mess I thought the 35 and depots all synced up to manage parts procurement and shit like that? I'm sure the US gov fucks it up from there but I doubt it gets much better. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:14:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m convinced that most of the accounts that participate in these threads are bots. Or tediously autistic My wife tests children for autism. She constantly tells me to stop being autistic. She may be starting to convince me |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:17:30 PM EDT
[#41]
We keep getting all these gay wars.
I want to see US 5th Gen sweep the sky clean so badly |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:19:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:20:10 PM EDT
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What was United States's Government Debt: % of GDP in Jun 2022? United States Government debt accounted for 126.7 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Jun 2022, compared with the ratio of 128.9 % in the previous quarter.
Russia Government debt accounted for 13.8 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Jun 2022, compared with the ratio of 15.5 % in the previous quarter. See the table below for more data. I guess they need a better credit card. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:21:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Have the OV-10 fan boys showed up yet?
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're probably right. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/Su-57-Screws_jpeg-2567087.JPG 
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:27:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: that was ultimately one of the design goals of the 35. Be able to pump them out cheaper than any f22 or upgraded f16 or f15 and near meet or beat the capabilities of the legacy crafts. I hope we pump out a fuckload more of them to offset the initial cost and actually realize that. People don't think mass production be like that, but it do. Assuming Congress doesn't fuck it up. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I understand, the F-15EX sales are a thing because of two reasons: A. The F-35 isn't a direct replacement of the F-15. The F-15's mission is different than the F-35's. and B. Even if you discount "A," the line for the F-35 can't keep up with the amount of planes it has to replace due to the older frames aging out, so it makes sense to buy some brand-new F-15s that are even more capable than the current older ones. The F22 was supposed to be the replacement for the F15. We didn't build enough F22s so now we're building F15EX to make up for the gap. |
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:33:11 PM EDT
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That's an exceptional article. Fascinating stuff.
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:41:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2022 1:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Bomb bay" of J-20: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/screenshot-eng-chinamil-com-cn-2018-11-1-2567448.JPG Bomb bay of F-22: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/oekievhke6341_jpg-2567449.JPG Discuss. OH NO NOT THE WINGWONG 20 THEY GOT US THIS TIME FOR SURE |
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