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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? Just got nothing to do with what Sam did. He's not claiming to have any Secret inside information pretty obvious to everybody that what he said could be a reality. Your guess is as good as his. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? But SG isn't selling the hot dogs right now. They are holding onto them to sell when the other hot dog factories are actually burning down. Not even a close comparison. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know Ammoseek.com is pretty good about vetting out scam sites, but now I'm starting to think they're possibly a scam NEVER heard of anyone selling ammo by the 20 FOOT DAMN CONTAINER load to civilians  ETA: they're permanently closed and their address is a church surrounded by tennis courts....  @Mr-Mockingbird https://www.buzzfile.com/business/Federal-Defense-Systems-843-743-5300 Contact Information Federal Arms & Imports LLC 3003 Dunes West Blvd Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 Contact:Nick Blesich Title:President Phone:(843) 743-5300 Website:www.heritagearmory.com There are 5 Companies located at 3003 Dunes West Blvd, Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 https://www.fflscope.com/ffl/157019012h07064/heritage-armory-llc https://www.instagram.com/heritagearmory/?hl=en  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And questions back: 1. What prevented you from being proactive with a historical knowledge of shortages and not loading up on your favorite dogs? 2. Who forced you with violence to purchase hot dogs from said pretend vendor? 3. Is it your business what someone does with their personal property? 4. Do you always blame others for your lack of foresight? 5. Will you show up at my doorstop demanding my hot dogs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? 1. What prevented you from being proactive with a historical knowledge of shortages and not loading up on your favorite dogs? 2. Who forced you with violence to purchase hot dogs from said pretend vendor? 3. Is it your business what someone does with their personal property? 4. Do you always blame others for your lack of foresight? 5. Will you show up at my doorstop demanding my hot dogs? You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But SG isn't selling the hot dogs right now. They are holding onto them to sell when the other hot dog factories are actually burning down. Not even a close comparison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? But SG isn't selling the hot dogs right now. They are holding onto them to sell when the other hot dog factories are actually burning down. Not even a close comparison. I didn't make a comparison. Making a comparison was not my intent. You inferred I did, but that doesn't make it true. My example was simple context for the question I posed, which you also failed to answer. The only point you should take away from my example is that lying about supply and demand is fraud. In the stock market its called a pump and dump. Have you ever seen the movie Boiler Room? (And before you accuse, no I'm not making another comparison here, I'm simply asking a question.) |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. You're the one freaking out and questioning the ethics of a business because someone posted a personal email response they received to a question that was probably "Where's all the x39 at?" Spreading fear and pumping the market. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:24:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the one freaking out and questioning the ethics of a business because someone posted a personal email response they received to a question that was probably "Where's all the x39 at?" Spreading fear and pumping the market. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. You're the one freaking out and questioning the ethics of a business because someone posted a personal email response they received to a question that was probably "Where's all the x39 at?" Spreading fear and pumping the market. Thought experiments are the same as "freaking out"? You must be fun at parties, if you're ever invited to one. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a retailer lies about a supply chain issue to sell more product, is that fraud? If you lie and say you have someone else interested in buying your house is that fraud? If you tell your new job a higher salary at your current employer is that fraud? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't make a comparison. Making a comparison was not my intent. You inferred I did, but that doesn't make it true. My example was simple context for the question I posed, which you also failed to answer. The only point you should take away from my example is that lying about supply and demand is fraud. In the stock market its called a pump and dump. Have you ever seen the movie Boiler Room? (And before you accuse, no I'm not making another comparison here, I'm simply asking a question.) I don't see where he is lying about supply and demand in your original post. He just said he has some but he's not offering it up for sale until he gets a better idea of how this is going to affect his business. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you lie and say you have someone else interested in buying your house is that fraud? If you tell your new job a higher salary at your current employer is that fraud? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If a retailer lies about a supply chain issue to sell more product, is that fraud? If you lie and say you have someone else interested in buying your house is that fraud? If you tell your new job a higher salary at your current employer is that fraud? To your first, yes its fraud, and I believe that it is illegal to pretend to have a fake buyer pump up the price. To your second, your statement is a little confusing. I think you're asking is it fraud to tell a new job you make more money at your old job to negotiate a higher salary? No, thats not fraud. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? 1. What prevented you from being proactive with a historical knowledge of shortages and not loading up on your favorite dogs? 2. Who forced you with violence to purchase hot dogs from said pretend vendor? 3. Is it your business what someone does with their personal property? 4. Do you always blame others for your lack of foresight? 5. Will you show up at my doorstop demanding my hot dogs? You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Stop projecting |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. YOU created the whole retard "hotdog scenario" and now you mad. Answer the questions. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. **narrator voice** "but he didn't admit it. He couldn't admit it. Instead he triple-derped-down and resorted to more personal attacks" |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought experiments are the same as "freaking out"? You must be fun at parties, if you're ever invited to one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. You're the one freaking out and questioning the ethics of a business because someone posted a personal email response they received to a question that was probably "Where's all the x39 at?" Spreading fear and pumping the market. Thought experiments are the same as "freaking out"? You must be fun at parties, if you're ever invited to one. How old are you? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:50:02 PM EDT
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Thread is gay.
I like pie 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:57:08 PM EDT
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@Freakinout @ZMV
Get a room and take turns pitching and catching... Everyone else is tired of seeing you two flirt with each other - just get it over and fuck already. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plenty of Tula at the PSA store in NC today, no limit. @FREEFALLE7 I don't know what you look like but I'll bet I've seen you in there a few times. Because I was in there today picking some shit up!! Hell yeah brother! |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @FREEFALLE7 I don't know what you look like but I'll bet I've seen you in there a few times. Because I was in there today picking some shit up!! Hell yeah brother!  I love supporting PSA, hope they start making 7.62x39 soon. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just bought 10,000 rds of Tula on a site for $3k shipped. If you can do it then it would be best to go forward and make the purchase. Don’t kick yourself later. No one here is going to start making cheap 7.62x39 soon. So you ordered it from Heritage Armory? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. YOU created the whole retard "hotdog scenario" and now you mad. Answer the questions. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. Its like you're arguing with what you wish I would say, instead of what I'm actually saying. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love supporting PSA, hope they start making 7.62x39 soon. It's about 15-20 minutes from me now. I'm over off 16 in Newton. Love it up here so much more than Charlotte. And the police are cool as shit too. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: **narrator voice** "but he didn't admit it. He couldn't admit it. Instead he triple-derped-down and resorted to more personal attacks" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. Come on, man. Admit it. You have not thought this out and it is backfiring. **narrator voice** "but he didn't admit it. He couldn't admit it. Instead he triple-derped-down and resorted to more personal attacks" Hit the report button if you can't handle it. If I'm violating CoC and the moderations tells me to stop, I'll stop. I'm a visitor here. (Removed, CoC-6~guns762) |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How old are you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're vastly missing the point and creating your own scenario to ask pretense questions as if I'm the one who posed those parameters in the first place. Your debate style is lacking substance, logically weak, and corrupted by personal bias. You're the one freaking out and questioning the ethics of a business because someone posted a personal email response they received to a question that was probably "Where's all the x39 at?" Spreading fear and pumping the market. Thought experiments are the same as "freaking out"? You must be fun at parties, if you're ever invited to one. How old are you? What do you do for a living? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hit the report button if you can't handle it. If I'm violating CoC and the moderations tells me to stop, I'll stop. I'm a visitor here. Or, better yet, just shut the fuck up and stay out of the thread if it triggers you so much.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Mr-Mockingbird https://www.buzzfile.com/business/Federal-Defense-Systems-843-743-5300 Contact Information Federal Arms & Imports LLC 3003 Dunes West Blvd Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 Contact:Nick Blesich Title:President Phone:(843) 743-5300 Website:www.heritagearmory.com There are 5 Companies located at 3003 Dunes West Blvd, Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 https://www.fflscope.com/ffl/157019012h07064/heritage-armory-llc https://www.instagram.com/heritagearmory/?hl=en https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__101__png-2290706.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__102__png-2290708.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know Ammoseek.com is pretty good about vetting out scam sites, but now I'm starting to think they're possibly a scam NEVER heard of anyone selling ammo by the 20 FOOT DAMN CONTAINER load to civilians ETA: they're permanently closed and their address is a church surrounded by tennis courts.... @Mr-Mockingbird https://www.buzzfile.com/business/Federal-Defense-Systems-843-743-5300 Contact Information Federal Arms & Imports LLC 3003 Dunes West Blvd Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 Contact:Nick Blesich Title:President Phone:(843) 743-5300 Website:www.heritagearmory.com There are 5 Companies located at 3003 Dunes West Blvd, Mount Pleasant, SC 29466 https://www.fflscope.com/ffl/157019012h07064/heritage-armory-llc https://www.instagram.com/heritagearmory/?hl=en https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__101__png-2290706.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__102__png-2290708.JPG Your Google-Fu kicks my ass up and down the street  Just can't be too careful nowadays Thanks 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:26:07 PM EDT
[#26]
This thread is going downhill faster than the Ukraine situation.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:26:19 PM EDT
[#27]
Ammoseek and you may never shop at SG again
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:28:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is going downhill faster than the Ukraine situation. ITT keyboard capitalists don't believe bad customer reviews are part of capitalism. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:28:43 PM EDT
[#29]
thinking I should get into reloading. Is it worth it?
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:29:09 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is going downhill faster than the Ukraine situation. So is SG ammo |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:31:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Now, now... "Sam," (as we affectionately call our best ammo buddy), would not like you guys fighting...
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:32:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With his supply chain possibly being disrupted for months, years, or forever….what exact price should he sell his property to you for to keep you happy?  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:42:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Well fuck so is heritage armory not gtg??
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:53:43 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well fuck so is heritage armory not gtg?? It looks ok so far. Uses BigCommerce web platform. Not something scam sites use. One ok review, scan detector sites say it looks ok. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:55:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well fuck so is heritage armory not gtg?? Well, that depends. If Heritage Armory was selling hotdogs but didn't include mustard would you be OK with ketchup? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:58:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he puts it up for sale now it'll just get bought up by flippers. I'd rather him make the money on it than some random dickhead. Yes. I'd rather a businessman who has major skin in the game and provides a good service for a good price make a profit than an opportunistic neckbearder. The market will seek the proper price, whether by him or someone else down the line. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 10:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that depends. If Heritage Armory was selling hotdogs but didn't include mustard would you be OK with ketchup? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well fuck so is heritage armory not gtg?? Well, that depends. If Heritage Armory was selling hotdogs but didn't include mustard would you be OK with ketchup? Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 10:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Freakinout @ZMV Get a room and take turns pitching and catching... Everyone else is tired of seeing you two flirt with each other - just get it over and fuck already. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 10:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a retailer lies about a supply chain issue to sell more product, is that fraud? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Man there's a bunch of entitled crybabies on this site. "I should be able to buy stuff with no profit to the seller." but "I'll sell my stuff on EE for above MSRP." https://c.tenor.com/4_OEXx-nA3gAAAAM/sad-baby.gif I don't see anyone saying they should be able to buy at cost. The primary concern here is manufactured panic, which is an unethical manipulation of the free market. In the stock market it would be a kind of pump and dump scheme. Hype up the product with half truths and rumors, then dump it at an inflated price. So they are gonna import more Russian ammo???? The gov already halted permits for Russian ammo in August. The price jumped a little to 40 CPR, and settled back down to 30 CPR. Should arfcom set the price? The market should set the price free of rumor and panic. A distributor or retailer spreading panic without any evidence or proof is a unethical sales tactic. Heres an example. A restaurant sells hotdogs. The owner gets an awesome deal on bulk hotdogs if he buys a lot more than usual, and to sell them all he lies to his customers and says the hot dog factory burned down and there won't be any more hotdogs in a week. If you like hotdogs, you better buy them now because this is your last chance. People go crazy, buy hotdogs by the box, freeze them, and keep them. The restaurant sells six times as many hot dogs as normal due to the demand. Do you think the restaurant owner committed a fraud? But he's not selling it at the moment? Maybe you should buy up everyone else's stock since its such deal Which poses more problems. The price goes up for everyone because panic spreads to all retailers, and those retailers raise their prices due to the panic. One person with information in the market, whom we trust, and they have special insider knowledge, spreading rumor and panic only causes damage to the free market. It is an unethical manipulation. And we already don't live in a truly free market. So he should be forced to sell his inventory at a price you determine? Nobody ever said that. You are creating straw man arguments to pretend you know what you're talking about. The issue at hand here is not the dudes inventory. Its him spreading panic. You mean explaining why certain popular is no longer available currently? If a retailer lies about a supply chain issue to sell more product, is that fraud? Did he misrepresent the product? If not, then no, it's not fraud. Is there anything which stops you from knowing the true state of the crappy ammunition market? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:11:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They will make a killing if Russian ammo disappears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't wait for the PSA ammo plant to get up and running I don't shoot the stuff but will PSA have access to the raw materials to manufacture the ammo? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:19:18 PM EDT
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Russia just declared war and invaded. All Russian ammo stopped in 3...2...
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:36:22 PM EDT
[#42]
BOOM
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:38:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia just declared war and invaded. All Russian ammo stopped in 3...2... Does this mean that I should withdraw my complaint to the SEC for market manipulation? I was hoping for some tuna coupons. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:41:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean that I should withdraw my complaint to the SEC for market manipulation? I was hoping for some tuna coupons. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:00:42 AM EDT
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The week of the great global hotdog factory catastrophe is the best week to be in the business of selling hotdogs. Blue horseshoe loves Anacott Meats.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:03:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its like you're arguing with what you wish I would say, instead of what I'm actually saying. 
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:14:14 AM EDT
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Glad I picked up some AK ammo today
Russian ammo might be done once current stock runs out. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I picked up some AK ammo today Russian ammo might be done once current stock runs out. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1000% guaranteed since they are in the process of invading as we speak. Didnt even need it, just haven't bought or shot any AK ammo in a few years. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 7:23:04 AM EDT
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Bunch of closet communists in this thread.
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