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I have a few but they are my least used arms
Generally I only use one a few times a year for sporting clays I just dont care for them that much |
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I don't think they suck but there are better options.
While I would prefer my 11.5" AR pistol, I wouldn't have an issue defending my home with my Benelli M3 and buckshot or slugs. In reality the most likely scenario for me would probably be using my G19 because it's always on me or within reach. |
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Quoted: I’ve put dicks in with dirt with a far amount of rapidity with 5.56. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: A shotgun is much better I’ve put dicks in with dirt with a far amount of rapidity with 5.56. Me too but there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. I have never seen single shots of 556 as consistently effective as single shots from a 12 gauge |
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Quoted: there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. View Quote Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. |
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Benelli M2 with 10 round tube. I'd prefer a rifle but in a hallway I wouldn't feel too undergunned.
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Quoted: Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. Agreed, but a shotgun does that quicker. |
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They don’t suck but there are often better choices available for home defense.
The video makes some valid points, most of which are mitigated by proper training and meaningful practice (LIKE ANY FIREARM). My biggest concerns for a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon are the often low magazine capacity. Even “extended mag tubes” usually bring the total available rounds to 10 or less. Who would choose a full size handgun or defensive rifle limited to 10 rounds? AND the slow to reload manual of arms. In addition, shot spread at distance and the inherent risk those errant pellets present (particularly with Buckshot). “Flyers” are not uncommon with Buck. Still, shotguns play a role in our household defense plan. |
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Quoted: Me too but there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. I have never seen single shots of 556 as consistently effective as single shots from a 12 gauge View Quote And I’ve driven people to the hospital who have taken hits from a shotgun and lived. It’s not a magic death ray. |
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Quoted: And I’ve driven people to the hospital who have taken hits from a shotgun and lived. It’s not a magic death ray. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Me too but there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. I have never seen single shots of 556 as consistently effective as single shots from a 12 gauge And I’ve driven people to the hospital who have taken hits from a shotgun and lived. It’s not a magic death ray. I agree. It is still much more effective than 556. I've used both. I don't have anything against 556. But the notion that it's more effective shot for shot than a 12 gauge is retarded. |
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Shotguns are great until they run dry. Reloading them sucks. It’s a compromise (and most mag Fed shotguns do in fact suck).
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Where’s the video of that cop taking the guy out at like 30 yds with buck?
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I don’t have the gunfight experience that some of you fellas have. But I have killed more deer than most folks. Well over 100. Closing in on 200 actually.
I’ve killed them with everything from longbows, handguns, shotguns, flintlocks, and center fire rifles. It is commonly accepted that whitetails are way more durable than humans. Based on tracking… a good shot on a deer, the track distance from impact to dead deer…I will take an expanding 5.56 round vs a 12 gauge slug or buckshot all day long. And the precision and speed of a rifle vs 12 gauge on follow up shots isn’t even close. |
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Quoted: I don’t have the gunfight experience that some of you fellas have. But I have killed more deer than most folks. Well over 100. Closing in on 200 actually. I’ve killed them with everything from longbows, handguns, shotguns, flintlocks, and center fire rifles. It is commonly accepted that whitetails are way more durable than humans. Based on tracking… a good shot on a deer, the track distance from impact to dead deer…I will take an expanding 5.56 round vs a 12 gauge slug or buckshot all day long. And the precision and speed of a rifle vs 12 gauge on follow up shots isn’t even close. View Quote So you have experience with precision and speed while someone is shooting at you, while being aware of your surroundings and what's beyond the home invader? |
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What if you have a Mossberg 835 with an 18" barrel loaded with 18 pellet 3.5" 00 buck? Just asking because I'm pretty sure it will do great.
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Quoted: And I’ve driven people to the hospital who have taken hits from a shotgun and lived. It’s not a magic death ray. View Quote I think that statement requires some explanation. What was the gauge, load and situation. The seems like a bullshit statement. On the other side of your statement might be to name someone who took a 12 gauge slug to the chest with or without armor, probably in a breaching situation and what we're the results. Home invasions seem to be getting more popular and this would be a likely hone defense situation. |
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Quoted: They don't suck but there are often better choices available for home defense. The video makes some valid points, most of which are mitigated by proper training and meaningful practice (LIKE ANY FIREARM). My biggest concerns for a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon are the often low magazine capacity. Even "extended mag tubes" usually bring the total available rounds to 10 or less. Who would choose a full size handgun or defensive rifle limited to 10 rounds? AND the slow to reload manual of arms. In addition, shot spread at distance and the inherent risk those errant pellets present (particularly with Buckshot). "Flyers" are not uncommon with Buck. Still, shotguns play a role in our household defense plan. View Quote |
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Boy, sounds like a bunch of home invasions being carried out by battalions of gang bangers wearing body armor are going on in GD.
Some of you spend way too much time pondering highly improbable possibilities. |
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Quoted: Boy, sounds like a bunch of home invasions being carried out by battalions of gang bangers wearing body armor are going on in GD. Some of you spend way too much time pondering highly improbable possibilities. View Quote I'm working on armoring the roof of my house against meteors. You know, just in case. |
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Rifles can hurt unintended in the house and across the street.
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Quoted: I'm working on armoring the roof of my house against meteors. You know, just in case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Boy, sounds like a bunch of home invasions being carried out by battalions of gang bangers wearing body armor are going on in GD. Some of you spend way too much time pondering highly improbable possibilities. I'm working on armoring the roof of my house against meteors. You know, just in case. Are we talking nickel/iron meteors or stony? There’s a difference and we have to be prepared. |
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Quoted: Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. |
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Quoted: I love mine. It’s my go to for house and yard usage here in bfe. Got a sbr right next to it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/1E79B8F1-BF56-4D12-818A-262A58E25EBE_jpe-2275319.JPG Added a light for Bette night usage https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/F980976D-02F0-44C7-A7F0-8D559FA6626B_jpe-2275320.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/03BC1E65-8255-4CD0-B4F0-2D14017DE3DE_jpe-2275321.JPG View Quote how do you like the streamlight? |
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You're actually retarded if you think a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 or #4 buck "sucks" for home defense. It's a great weapon, an AR15 is just better.
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Quoted: Quoted: Boy, sounds like a bunch of home invasions being carried out by battalions of gang bangers wearing body armor are going on in GD. Some of you spend way too much time pondering highly improbable possibilities. The war I train for is....different. So, there’s no gangbangers? |
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Shotguns are my favorite firearm type.
If you load a shotgun with #4 buck, and mag dump it, you are putting over 200 .24 caliber projectiles into the universe in a matter of seconds. It's kind of amazing. And then right after that, you can switch to a different ammo and go duck hunting with the SAME gun the next day. Then turkey season comes up, no worries SAME GUN. Uh-oh, deer season is in. Better grab the SAME GUN. Damn the coyotes are in the yard again. Better get the varmint gun. But guess what, the varmint gun IS ALSO YOUR SHOTGUN. |
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Quoted: When you miss and the .556 round you just fired ends up in your neighbors house. View Quote Almost anything that will reliably kill a person is going through a lot of walls if you miss. 5.56, 12 gauge, and 9mm vs drywall in slow motion |
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Quoted: So, there’s no gangbangers? View Quote Americans are different physically, culturally and therefore mentally than Afghans. If you don't believe that, then visit Afghanistan. An individuals motivation and determination is pretty important during a fight. An ideologically driven insurgent is different than a for profit thief (even though the two are not always mutually exclusive.) If you have already been there, then there is no point in discussing this further. |
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Quoted: Shotguns are my favorite firearm type. If you load a shotgun with #4 buck, and mag dump it, you are putting over 200 .24 caliber projectiles into the universe in a matter of seconds. It's kind of amazing. And then right after that, you can switch to a different ammo and go duck hunting with the SAME gun the next day. Then turkey season comes up, no worries SAME GUN. Uh-oh, deer season is in. Better grab the SAME GUN. Damn the coyotes are in the yard again. Better get the varmint gun. But guess what, the varmint gun IS ALSO YOUR SHOTGUN. View Quote Agreed |
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Quoted: I think that statement requires some explanation. What was the gauge, load and situation. The seems like a bullshit statement. On the other side of your statement might be to name someone who took a 12 gauge slug to the chest with or without armor, probably in a breaching situation and what we're the results. Home invasions seem to be getting more popular and this would be a likely hone defense situation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: And I’ve driven people to the hospital who have taken hits from a shotgun and lived. It’s not a magic death ray. I think that statement requires some explanation. What was the gauge, load and situation. The seems like a bullshit statement. On the other side of your statement might be to name someone who took a 12 gauge slug to the chest with or without armor, probably in a breaching situation and what we're the results. Home invasions seem to be getting more popular and this would be a likely hone defense situation. I was thinking the same thing. To throw that statement out there but not include details is kinda pointless. The ammunition choice for the shotgun is a key detail. Buckshot or slug is different than birdshot. Federal flight control has been a big improvement for buckshot. I’m not saying someone can’t survive a buckshot or slug to the chest but let’s not act like a 5.56 will instantly put them down either. Yes, you can put a second round in faster with 5.56 but a shotgun can follow up with a second round also. |
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Quoted: Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: there was a reason we were trained to shoot them to the ground. Thats because people dont die unless they feel like it. Ive seen people hit with 30mm keep fighting, and a dude who shot himself in the foot with a Makarov fall over and die. People are weird, keep shooting them until they stop, with whatever it is. Yep, it’s where you hit them, who is hit and less import what you hit them with |
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Quoted: Boy, sounds like a bunch of home invasions being carried out by battalions of gang bangers wearing body armor are going on in GD. Some of you spend way too much time pondering highly improbable possibilities. View Quote But Honey, I REALLY need to buy us both Full on MOPP4 outfits + Self Contained Air Units - Just in case those home invaders try to roll in some canisters of CN-20 to gas us out ... BIGGER_HAMMER |
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Quoted: Shotguns are my favorite firearm type. If you load a shotgun with #4 buck, and mag dump it, you are putting over 200 .24 caliber projectiles into the universe in a matter of seconds. It's kind of amazing. And then right after that, you can switch to a different ammo and go duck hunting with the SAME gun the next day. Then turkey season comes up, no worries SAME GUN. Uh-oh, deer season is in. Better grab the SAME GUN. Damn the coyotes are in the yard again. Better get the varmint gun. But guess what, the varmint gun IS ALSO YOUR SHOTGUN. View Quote Agreed that the Shotgun can be THE most versatile gun for a wide variety of uses. If the I could only have ONE gun ... But for just from experience - when it comes to Self Defense & Hunting - I'd stay away from #4 - it can have difficulty with deep enough penetration - I use #1, #00 #0 which all give excellent terminal results. I can understand if you want it for less penetration, but only projectiles that reach deep enough to reach the vitals really matter. BIGGER_HAMMER |
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“There is something better than a shotgun for home defense”
The first “REEEEE” inducing comment in gun discussions, ever. |
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Quoted: 8 boolits in each 00 2 3/4" shell. 8 x 8 = 64 boolits in my 8 shots. View Quote I cannot remember who said it, but it was sort of epiphany when I heard it. Think of a shotgun sort of like a SMG that fires 8 bursts of 9 (or 15 if using number 1B) rounds with each pull of the trigger. |
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Quoted: I cannot remember who said it, but it was sort of epiphany when I heard it. Think of a shotgun sort of like a SMG that fires 8 bursts of 9 (or 15 if using number 1B) rounds with each pull of the trigger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 8 boolits in each 00 2 3/4" shell. 8 x 8 = 64 boolits in my 8 shots. I cannot remember who said it, but it was sort of epiphany when I heard it. Think of a shotgun sort of like a SMG that fires 8 bursts of 9 (or 15 if using number 1B) rounds with each pull of the trigger. The damage they do is screaming fucking gothic. |
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Quoted: I cannot remember who said it, but it was sort of epiphany when I heard it. Think of a shotgun sort of like a SMG that fires 8 bursts of 9 (or 15 if using number 1B) rounds with each pull of the trigger. View Quote After the SLA shootout in Cali, one of the law enforcement agencies did a test where they fired a rifle and a shotgun at a mocked up window to see the coverage vs time of clearing the opening with projectiles and the shotgun produced the broadest coverage and most projectiles into the opening in the quickest time. |
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Quoted: AR’s are better, but a shotgun will fuck your day up in a big way. People argue 5.56/7.62x39 and 9mm/45ACP stopping power. A shotgun laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpu6XgtS02w View Quote ouch!!! |
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