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Whatever the cause......the number of incidents are occurring.  

What are the contributing factors?  Likely all of them!

holster gaps
sweet pulling light trigger
narrow trigger guard
user induced issues like not watching jacket tails, pull cords etc.


whether it’s the users own fault or not the agencies, the gun maker and the holster makers have to address it to get the numbers to statistically near zero.

It’s no good to say it’s a training issue to lay blame and still have the problem.  Personally I am guessing the trigger is to light for the degree of protection it has.  I’d really put my guess on it’s getting defeated right with an inadvertent trigger pull if they cannot replicate the issue.  

Now fix that.  Active mechanical safety, widen the trigger guard a lot, increase the trigger pull weight.  Whichever it takes to fix the issue.

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The FCU is a non-safety variant, so probably much more common. SIG Academy is doing a lot here in Florida, and same thing, I’m not seeing P320s develop a mind of their own at the classes I’m attending.

ETA I do believe the P320 is far less forgiving of stupid than a Glock, and that’s definitely saying something.

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Dude, cops have been NDing since forever. It doesn't matter what they carry. DA revolvers, 92FS, Glocks, 320's etc. Why do you think the "NY trigger" exists for Glocks?

It will keep happening too, and at a more alarming rate as hiring standards drop across the country.

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Having been through the P320 armorers course

Nope.

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If it's not an issue with the gun itself, then why does this keep coming up?  You don't hear the same stories with other handguns.  At least not to the same extent.

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More like ambulance chasers go after companies that have a large # of police contracts.  Glock leg used to be a thing, too.  Taurus really screwed things up for everyone w/ their shake awake trigger, and they paid for it.

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If you like Sig firearms you better buy them now because they many not survive the coming law suits.

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That’s the entire reason I steered away from Sig when purchasing a 10mm.

I went with a M2.0 instead.

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+ P320 has a ledge to block the striker

+ P320 has a detent that retains the striker

- P320 trigger retracts those safeties with very little movement

- P320 striker is always fully tensioned

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Whatever the cause......the number of incidents are occurring.  

What are the contributing factors?  Likely all of them!

holster gaps
sweet pulling light trigger
narrow trigger guard
user induced issues like not watching jacket tails, pull cords etc.


whether it's the users own fault or not the agencies, the gun maker and the holster makers have to address it to get the numbers to statistically near zero.

It's no good to say it's a training issue to lay blame and still have the problem.  Personally I am guessing the trigger is to light for the degree of protection it has.  I'd really put my guess on it's getting defeated right with an inadvertent trigger pull if they cannot replicate the issue.  

Now fix that.  Active mechanical safety, widen the trigger guard a lot, increase the trigger pull weight.  Whichever it takes to fix the issue.

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Shitty holsters and poor wpns handling.  

The .mil carries them worldwide daily with no problems.

The USAF doesn’t use the safety so don’t state that is a difference.

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Ashley's not guilty.

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This isn't happening with this regularity across the full spectrum of 320 users.  

I owned a 320 AXG scorption. I liked the gun and put about 1200 through it with zero issues. I sold the gun to a sig fanboy who missed out on getting one. The gun still has no issues.

I believe the trigger dingus on striker guns prevents a lot of holster bangs.  Without the dingus, and the light 320 trigger, I suspect stuff that gets inside the holster can push the trigger rearward.  

That said, I believe the 320 is completely safe to carry provided you have a proper fitted holster and that the holster is checked every time.  

As much as I like the 320, I believe it is only a matter of time before we see the P320 2.0 and I bet it will have a dingus.

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P320s aren't "just going off" either.

Here is a question for the "just goes off" people. Do you think a NMF/SMU would carry a P320 if it "just goes off"?

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Dude, cops have been NDing since forever. It doesn't matter what they carry. DA revolvers, 92FS, Glocks, 320's etc. Why do you think the "NY trigger" exists for Glocks?

It will keep happening too, and at a more alarming rate as hiring standards drop across the country.

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Is this true?

One of America’s most popular handguns is allegedly firing on its own, leaving dozens of cops injured: suit

One of America’s most popular guns is a “ticking time bomb” that allegedly fires spontaneously and has injured dozens of cops.

The SIG Sauer P320 semi-automatic handgun is used by some 1,000 law enforcement agencies from the local to the federal level, as well as being a popular civilian purchase.

But its manufacturer is facing a slew of lawsuits alleging that it can fire even when holstered, even when the trigger isn’t pulled, and even when it is just sitting at rest, lawyers allege.

According to the suits against SIG Sauer, some 150 people claim to have suffered injuries, or frightening near misses, when their department-issued P320 went off on its own.

One law enforcement source told The Post, “The P320 isn’t just a gun, it’s a ticking time bomb.”

And one of the attorneys handling the many cases calls the P320 “America’s most dangerously defective gun.”

The Sig Sauer company, based in Newington, New Hampshire, did not respond to requests for comment.

The cases center on the P320 not having an external manual safety, known as a tab trigger. Attorneys bringing the cases say it is a crucial design flaw that makes the gun liable to fire spontaneously, with disastrous consequences. They say that although nobody has been killed, many have been injured.

Those include Sgt. Ashley Catatao, 35, a single mother of a young son and an officer in the Somerville, Mass., Police Department.

The 12-year veteran was beginning a typical night shift patrol — 4 p.m. to midnight — in the sector cruiser on April 6, 2022, as the third-most senior officer on the block.

She parked her car and walked toward her cruiser, “when I heard a loud bang and I felt this sharp pain in my upper right thigh,” she told The Post.

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Her immediate thought was, “’Someone has shot me,’ and I tried to run for cover, and as I started to run, I looked down and I saw that there was a hole in my pants.”

But there was nobody trying to gun her down: Instead, she had been wounded from a bullet fired from her holstered service gun, a SIG Sauer P320. “I never would have expected that my own gun would go off and shoot me,” she said.

The startling episode was captured in black and white video by a police security camera that overlooked the lot.

Sgt. Michael Colwell was 31, with a bachelor’s degree in psychology, when he went through the
police academy in 2009 and joined the Troy, New York, Police Department.

His uncle was a retired K9 officer and always had great law enforcement stories to tell, so “police work was something I was kind of interested in, and I decided to give it a shot,” Colwell told The Post.

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At the academy, he scored well, even winning an award for his shooting skill. “That was pretty neat to get that recognition,” he says, “to have that accolade.”

He was always a “patrol guy” and was promoted to sergeant in 2015. And in all that time, he had never shot anyone or been shot at.

That is until June 2, 2021, on the range when he was shot, like Catatao, by his SIG Sauer P320.

“I had holstered my duty weapon, tucked it away when we heard a pop. We knew it was a gun that went off and we didn’t know if it was another officer participating in the [range practice] scenario,” he said.

“The next thing, the firearms instructor who was monitoring looked at me and said, ‘Is that your gun? Are
you hit?’

“I didn’t know. And then with disbelief and adrenaline rushing through me, I realized that a bullet kind of came crushing through my leg, and sure enough, there was a hole in my pants and that’s when the reality and panic set in on my part because the hole wasn’t there when I started the day.”

Catatao and Colwell are just two of the 82 cases, most of them involving law enforcement, being brought by personal injury attorney Robert Zimmerman, with the Philadelphia law firm Saltz Mongeluzzi Barrett and Bendesky. He has filed 52 cases and another 30 are being prepared.

More at link.

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Which is sad...

I'm largely convinced this is a holster issue.

In the Safariland duty holsters, when paired with a light, the trigger is accessible on the P320.  Not easily, but it appears repeatable.

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You joking? You ever work with rank and file police officers? I mean non-gun people. I knew a now retired nearly 40-year officer who used to preach "start pulling the trigger as soon as you draw the gun" in order to qualify faster. He would go around telling the newer officers this to help them qual.

ETA: Nevermind. You aren't joking. Saw your other posts. Maybe issue Nerf guns so nobody will get hurt? I mean since it's not a training issue.

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Hasn't this been discussed in the dozens of other p320 threads?

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Shitty holsters and poor wpns handling.  

The .mil carries them worldwide daily with no problems.

The USAF doesn’t use the safety so don’t state that is a difference.

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Dude, cops have been NDing since forever. It doesn't matter what they carry. DA revolvers, 92FS, Glocks, 320's etc. Why do you think the "NY trigger" exists for Glocks?

It will keep happening too, and at a more alarming rate as hiring standards drop across the country.

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After seeing the 2 actually videos of officers holding stuff in both hands and the gun discharges. Won't touch one with a 12 foot pole.