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Posted: 1/26/2017 10:39:56 PM EST

Found this rifle and I am intrigued.

Could this be the future?

Affordable at $1,400 MSRP. Modular, Fully Ambidextrous, Runs on the AR-18 operating system.

If they can get it for $1,200 in gun shops and have the caliber and barrel conversion available, could we be looking at the rifle to unseat the AR.

Dual AR-18 carrier rods.

Prices and conversions.

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:44:05 PM EST

[#1]

Interdasting...

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:52:58 PM EST

[#2]

Looks pretty sweet, do want.

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:55:28 PM EST

[#3]

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Yep, modern AR-18 will be awesome.

Hopefully they come through with those conversion kits, cause that price is amazing.

Also they did what the ACR failed at...making a rifle under 7lbs.

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:56:16 PM EST

[#4]

So pretty much everything that the ACR was supposed to be?

Weight?

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:56:18 PM EST

[#5]

I'll take one in 300Blk

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:56:37 PM EST

[#6]

Was this at SHOT? I want one!

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:57:25 PM EST

[#7]

Interested depending on price

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:57:57 PM EST

[#8]

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Posted: 1/26/2017 10:58:24 PM EST

[#9]

I'll take one

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:58:56 PM EST

[#10]

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Weight?

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So pretty much everything that the ACR was supposed to be?

Weight?

6.8lbs unloaded.

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Interested depending on price

$1,400 MSRP.

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:59:10 PM EST

[#11]

Options to change stock? HK/pdw style would be tits.

Posted: 1/26/2017 10:59:39 PM EST

[#12]

A modern AR-18 should be sub 5lbs and cost $600.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:00:33 PM EST

[#13]

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Posted: 1/26/2017 11:01:45 PM EST

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It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:04:04 PM EST

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It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

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A modern AR-18 should be sub 5lbs and cost $600.

It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

If it ain't a turd they will sell briskly at $1200ish IMO

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:07:30 PM EST

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That hinge and release button looks just like the g36. I'm starting to chub a little

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:07:43 PM EST

[#17]

I like how they made the FDE one three different shades like the SCAR.

But seriously that looks pretty neat.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:08:25 PM EST

[#18]

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6.8lbs unloaded.

$1,400 MSRP.

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So pretty much everything that the ACR was supposed to be?

Weight?

6.8lbs unloaded.

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Interested depending on price

$1,400 MSRP.

Damn. Where do i sign up?

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:11:03 PM EST

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It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

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The AR-18 doesn't need R&D and a quick change caliber conversion shouldn't weight 2 lbs.

At least you identified the problem. We still hold Colt and these other companies to a gold standard, when nothing has changed in 40 years.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:11:17 PM EST

[#20]

Want.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:15:28 PM EST

[#21]

Like. Want.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:17:04 PM EST

[#22]

Drop that price a bit

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:23:28 PM EST

[#23]

Why is it 1400 ? The stock? Because the Barrel and bolt system are already proven.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:44:29 PM EST

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Because molds and extrusion tooling cost money

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:49:09 PM EST

[#25]

An AR-18 should be inexpensive,except that economy of scale has made the AR dirt cheap and nearly impossible to design,test,tool up and produce an alternative for less.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:50:04 PM EST

[#26]

It reminds me of that new CZ rifle

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It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

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Do you work for this company or know them personally?

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:53:45 PM EST

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It reminds me of that new CZ rifle

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Nope, however expecting a new rifle using a extruded aluminum upper, with a caliber conversion system to cost $500 is just dumb.

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:55:31 PM EST

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It reminds me of that new CZ rifle

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It reminds me of that new CZ rifle

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It costs money to do R&D and make a modular platform that can accept .300, 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8, While being 6.8lbs.

Seriously $1,400 MSRP will likely be $1,200 street price, that is in range with BCM and Colt rifles.

Do you work for this company or know them personally?

Well, it did sound like a sales pitch...

Posted: 1/26/2017 11:56:31 PM EST

[#29]

Well, I already have a fully ambi 5.56 rifle that has a quick change barrel system, can swap charging handle sides, swap ejection direction and is piston driven with a folding stock...

Only bum thing is it doesn't use AR FCG parts or pistol grips.

I like the OP rifle. Looks like a nice option to have on the market.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:03:56 AM EST

[#30]

That stock is just... Bleugh.

Other than that, this is relevant to my interests, and I would like to subscribe to the newsletter.

ETA: They'll be going from a polymer lower receiver to a different design, maybe aluminum. Might add a bolt catch, too. Huh. I just hope their price doesn't go up as a result.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:03:58 AM EST

[#31]

I want one.

But unseating the AR?

I doubt that will ever happen, civilian or military. Even if the marines go hk416 its still an AR.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:06:44 AM EST

[#32]

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lol

Yeah, and a modern 911 should cost $40,000

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:10:38 AM EST

[#33]

Clean lines, it's nice

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:17:40 AM EST

[#34]

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An AR-18 should be inexpensive,except that economy of scale has made the AR dirt cheap and nearly impossible to design,test,tool up and produce an alternative for less.

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Plus, we already have an entire universe of aftermarket mods, upgrayyds, and neat-o stuff for the AR.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:27:34 AM EST

[#35]

Change the grip and stock and make it $800...all in.

Other wise, no. Don't need another $1500-2000 gun.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:31:42 AM EST

[#36]

If these pan out, I may have to get one.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:36:55 AM EST

[#37]

I can build a beater AR for sub $500, a decent one for $800 and a really nice one for $1200. This thing better be amazing at that price.

Posted: 1/27/2017 12:53:59 AM EST

[#38]

Why does everyone who makes something like this put a foot of barrel on the front.

You know it's gotta be 16 extend the handguard already.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:00:29 AM EST

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Why does everyone who makes something like this put a foot of barrel on the front.

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Extended handguard would block your access to the gas block, which you need to gain access to clean the gas plug and piston and op rod.

You either go the HK route and make a removable, return to zero handguard to access the piston...or you make a short foreend and make access to the piston easy through front removal.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:07:40 AM EST

[#40]

I'll take two.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:07:51 AM EST

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This!! Even with any updated features that is still $400 to $600 too much.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:08:29 AM EST

[#42]

Too short of a handguard for that long of a barrel.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:09:23 AM EST

[#43]

From a marketing and demographic aspect a new 5.56mm rifle is gutsy. The same new rifle in the $1,500 range is very gutsy. Standard ARs have only multiplied and the prices keep dropping. For under a grand you can get a nice mil-spec M4gery that will last a lifetime (minus wear from mag dumps). There will always be a few sales of novelty (non-AR) rifles but how many will that be? The commercial AR has reached a peak in its evolution: its now extremely reliable (knowledge, metallurgy, some aftermarket parts, new magazines), extremely affordable and they're everywhere. There's almost no sensible reason to go with any other rifle here in the US.

If it were my company I would try and offer a few things: (1) a replacement upper receiver compatible with any mil-spec lower but essentially would be like an ACR/Massada upper, (2) a replacement lower with advancements like removable mag well, integral BAD lever and is compatible with any mil-spec upper but really goes well with my ACR-ish upper above, and (3) offer either the whole rifle, just the cool lower and also just the cool upper. Three ways of winning. If people don't buy the whole cool rifle then perhaps they'll buy the cool upper or lower by themselves then at least you're still in the AR game and minimizing your risk.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:20:55 AM EST

[#44]

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Found this rifle and I am intrigued.

Could this be the future?

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Stiff competition for the ACR and SCAR.

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If they can get it for $1,200 in gun shops and have the caliber and barrel conversion available, could we be looking at the rifle to unseat the AR.

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Supplement the AR sure if it's not vaporware. Supplant it ? Most unlikely.

~~I'm not pissing on your parade here just call me jaded because I have seen more than a few next great things like the Masada for one recent example not happen according to plan.~~ Call me guardedly, cautiously optimistic.

They would do well to make two changes to the stock design.
(1) Make it convertible to fold left or right.
(2) Increase the stock hinge pin angle so the stock clears the ejection port when folded.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:24:56 AM EST

[#45]

Not affordable in my opinion. I could buy one hell of a nice AR for that price.

Posted: 1/27/2017 1:25:56 AM EST

[#46]

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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:26:04 AM EST

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Found this rifle and I am intrigued.

Could this be the future?
http://skelico.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/X11-1.jpg
Affordable at $1,400 MSRP. Modular, Fully Ambidextrous, Runs on the AR-18 operating system.

If they can get it for $1,200 in gun shops and have the caliber and barrel conversion available, could we be looking at the rifle to unseat the AR.

http://skelico.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/X11_render_small.png
http://skelico.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/image1-9.jpg

Dual AR-18 carrier rods.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/P1010197.jpg

Prices and conversions.
http://skelico.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/X11-Specifications.jpg

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I'm not sure why, but I really can't get the image of a Saiga grudge fucking an AR out of my mind. Maybe it's the stock, or barrel, or the overall profile. I'm really not sure, but I still want one.