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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:52:10 PM EDT
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Probably damaged by a bird strike on takeoff, same flock may even have caused the damage to the wing root fairing. Then, at 500 mph the damage propagated and pieces started letting go and getting flung out towards the fuselage by the fan blades.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:52:30 PM EDT
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Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. True, but sometimes shit happens. Remember when Flight 232s tail mounted engine exploded and sent turbine blades through all THREE hydraulic systems? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:04:46 PM EDT
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those people sitting in that window seat where the shrapnel came threw pissed in their pants.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:08:48 PM EDT
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My bet is the engine had a violent fan stall and the resulting hammershock overstressed the inlet, which broke and fell off.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:09:44 PM EDT
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I saw a -200 flying around yesterday. Skinny engines and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago.  shit, I'm old.Those things always looked like weight-lifters that missed leg-day ... again ! |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:09:49 PM EDT
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. I'm pretty sure I remember that very thing happening about 20 or 30 years ago on an MD-88. ETA: Yep, Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1288 Enjoy! |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:24:16 PM EDT
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Boeing has an on-call tiger team that goes anywhere in the world to fix things like this. Two weeks this time of year in Pensacola ain't a bad gig. From what I can see the damage doesn't look too bad, other than the biggie - the engine. I'm very curious to know what the failure point was, losing the front cowling is not at all common. The plane has the new Southwest colors, I'm wondering if it was all buttoned up correctly after the repainting.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: sure, but a powerplant guy isnt going to fix it, a structures guy will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting engine malfunction. Txl Not an engine malfunction. Purely structural. Interesting as inlet lips are pretty well built. sure, but a powerplant guy isnt going to fix it, a structures guy will. 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:38:58 PM EDT
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Engine shop does remove and replacements. That engine is getting swapped out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting engine malfunction. Txl Not an engine malfunction. Purely structural. Interesting as inlet lips are pretty well built. sure, but a powerplant guy isnt going to fix it, a structures guy will. I'm sure it ingested part of the nose cowl. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:52:55 PM EDT
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Is there a fan section missing on that engine?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:57:44 PM EDT
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Is there a fan section missing on that engine? No the main fan and nose spinner appear intact. The 737 engine nose cowl extends approx 3 feet forward of the main fan. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:06:18 PM EDT
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Big turbofan engines can eat small FOD objects without sustaining catastrophic damage.
The FOD hits the fan blade, it is slung to the outside (tip/engine case) of the blades and is passed around the core. Yes, it does damage the fan section or individual blades, but in most cases it does not damage the core. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:09:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a complete puncture to the fuselage skin.  Edit: how does a cowling failure punch a hole through the fuselage. that's definitely high on the scary-things-that-can-happen-in-the-air scale. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:16:40 PM EDT
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:23:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:35:11 PM EDT
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Seemed to be with it enough to snap some pics. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
Wow
Just thought to ask if it was already mentioned I missed it, but we're you at the window seat where the puncture happened? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most frightening part to me is, to me at least, it looks like the leading edge of the wing where it connects to the fuselage also took an impact; it looks a little crumpled. I wonder how much stress a damaged wing can take before it fails in mid air, especially at that location. Boeing learned to build shit that flew home after leaving a considerable amount of the aircraft where it ended up in next months FW-190 production. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:49:06 PM EDT
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True, but sometimes shit happens. Remember when Flight 232s tail mounted engine exploded and sent turbine blades through all THREE hydraulic systems? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. True, but sometimes shit happens. Remember when Flight 232s tail mounted engine exploded and sent turbine blades through all THREE hydraulic systems? That was a DC-10 with a catastrophic failure. It definitely can happen, but crash tests over multiple types show being towards the rear is your best bet to survive a bad crash if it's even survivable. There are of course exceptions. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:00:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat had to be a hell of a jolt to pop open all those latches further back on the cowls. The pic in the OP had a few access panels popped open as well. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:03:02 PM EDT
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I saw a -200 flying around yesterday. Skinny engines and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.NAC still flies them up here. 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:06:37 PM EDT
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Seemed to be with it enough to snap some pics. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
That flight attendant button would be pushed so hard I would be putting a hole in it.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:08:57 PM EDT
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GE is in charge of Southwest's engines and they send them to Malaysia to be rebuilt. Hmmm.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:09:49 PM EDT
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I saw a -200 flying around yesterday. Skinny engines and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.Love the Doc Nickel avatar.  TWB!!
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NAC still flies them up here. http://aircargoworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Northern-Air-Cargo-737-200F.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.NAC still flies them up here. http://aircargoworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Northern-Air-Cargo-737-200F.jpg |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:31:33 PM EDT
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7thPNI
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:33:18 PM EDT
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The classics had a rough field kit (or something like that) that isn't an option with the newer jets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.NAC still flies them up here. http://aircargoworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Northern-Air-Cargo-737-200F.jpg AK Air has some newer jets, mainly the combi's, that they put down on gravel/hardpack. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:33:23 PM EDT
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The front fell off.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:35:59 PM EDT
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AK Air has some newer jets, mainly the combi's, that they put down on gravel/hardpack. Unfortunately the combis are going away next year. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:41:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that looks unfortunate. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:45:41 PM EDT
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I wonder if the anti-ice ducting had a failure and caused that?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:49:31 PM EDT
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Any plane can make it down regardless of engine state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can a 737 make it down on one engine? Any plane can make it down regardless of engine state. All the way to the scene of the crash as Ron White would say. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:49:34 PM EDT
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Glad I didn't see this until after I flew from Portland, Oregon to Baltimore today on Southwest.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:58:10 PM EDT
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Seemed to be with it enough to snap some pics. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does that failure even happen in flight?   |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:59:11 PM EDT
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The ground somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Front fell off? Wonder where it landed? 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a> Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:01:29 PM EDT
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I WOULD HAVE SHIT THROUGH THE FUSELAGE IF I WAS IN ONE OF THOSE WINDOW SEATS BY THE DENTS. Then Id do my best to get 10 billion airline miles from southwest after I got out of the hospital from the heart attack caused by that. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:18:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Edit: Nevermind someone already linked the story. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:22:17 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure I remember that very thing happening about 20 or 30 years ago on an MD-88. ETA: Yep, Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1288 Enjoy! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. I'm pretty sure I remember that very thing happening about 20 or 30 years ago on an MD-88. ETA: Yep, Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1288 Enjoy! Ironically the Southwest plane diverted to Pensacola. The flight was orignally from New Orleans to Orlando. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:50:46 PM EDT
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Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? That silver colored ring with the bent tube sticking out of it has bolts thru it mounting it to the forward engine fan flange. Everything else which departed the aircraft fwd of that point is rivets and Hi-Lok fasteners and honeycomb aluminum composite and sheet metal. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 12:50:57 AM EDT
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True, but sometimes shit happens. Remember when Flight 232s tail mounted engine exploded and sent turbine blades through all THREE hydraulic systems? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Next to the engine should be fine. A few rows back... Statistically speaking, near the rear of the plane is the safest place to be. True, but sometimes shit happens. Remember when Flight 232s tail mounted engine exploded and sent turbine blades through all THREE hydraulic systems? That was a fan disk separation as well. Turbine blades don't do anywhere near the damage, relatively speaking, of a fan disk. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 12:59:45 AM EDT
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Any plane can make it down regardless of engine state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can a 737 make it down on one engine? Any plane can make it down regardless of engine state. 
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Posted: 8/28/2016 1:06:47 AM EDT
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Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet anyone in the window seat looking out and seeing it happen damn near pissed themselves. <a href="http://s325.photobucket.com/user/smlnbndt/media/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k397/smlnbndt/Forum%20Posts/1Time/14066482_1296267917049927_7391992360576526020_o_zpszx3mkflt.jpg</a>
Popped a few latches Jim. I can't remember how that portion of the cowling is attached. Anyone know? It bolts onto a flange on the fan inlet housing. The outer skin/portion of the inlet cowl doesn't attach to anything; it just butts up against the fairings over the engine itself. In the pictures, you can see that the engine casing is intact indicating that the inlet cowl itself tore away from it's mount. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 1:09:38 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Eyesofsilver/media/The-Twilight-Zone-Nightmare-at-20000-Feet-Bob-Wilson-13.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/The-Twilight-Zone-Nightmare-at-20000-Feet-Bob-Wilson-13.jpg</a> <a href="http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Eyesofsilver/media/The-Twilight-Zone.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/The-Twilight-Zone.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2016 2:41:59 AM EDT
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I'm gonna need some pliers and a set of 30 weight ball bearings (it's all ball bearings these days). |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 3:17:33 AM EDT
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Can a 737 make it down on one engine? Any plane can make it down regardless of engine state. Hit something hard, I don't want to limp away! |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:38:10 AM EDT
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How far can we fly one one engine?
All the way to the scene of the crash! A NASCAR flight crew would've had them back in the air in 5 minutes. With a shitload of Bearer Bond, and a pre-cut ready to go cowl cone. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:52:42 AM EDT
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Front fell off? Wonder where it landed? 737 M?
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