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Posted: 11/10/2016 3:46:45 PM EDT
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Better shot maybe of the starboard side plate: https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3926/14838991269_c6fe194e21_b.jpg That's a clear photo. Half of those things could be modeled by using a bare coax connector, like what you get at Home Depot to put on the end of wire. Just leave out the wire and you'd have something looking close. I know it is an ART class, so are these supposed to be rendered with paper and paint, or is using a pre-existing something close allowed? |
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Posted: 11/10/2016 4:10:11 PM EDT
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That's a clear photo. Half of those things could be modeled by using a bare coax connector, like what you get at Home Depot to put on the end of wire. Just leave out the wire and you'd have something looking close. I know it is an ART class, so are these supposed to be rendered with paper and paint, or is using a pre-existing something close allowed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better shot maybe of the starboard side plate: https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3926/14838991269_c6fe194e21_b.jpg That's a clear photo. Half of those things could be modeled by using a bare coax connector, like what you get at Home Depot to put on the end of wire. Just leave out the wire and you'd have something looking close. I know it is an ART class, so are these supposed to be rendered with paper and paint, or is using a pre-existing something close allowed? We will use what we have to. 
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Posted: 11/10/2016 4:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will use what we have to. So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? 
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Posted: 11/10/2016 4:52:02 PM EDT
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So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We will use what we have to. So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? "Enterprise, this is Ground Control." "Ground Control, Enterprise here, go ahead." "Enterprise, you need to hold at 125 Angels." "Say again, Ground." "Enterprise, hold ascent at 125 Angels. Your cable is unplugged." "Ah, Ground Control, we don't have a lot of spare juice in this buggy." "Roger, Enterprise. But we're on a union contract here. Still looking for a union electrician. You want cable, or not?" "Confirming hold at 125 Angels for cable connection. Can't miss Bachelor Survivor Island." "Copy that, Enterprise. Ground Control out." 
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Posted: 11/10/2016 10:23:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We will use what we have to. So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? |
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Posted: 11/10/2016 10:49:25 PM EDT
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You're talking to a man that built a solar powered submarine Hoss, what do you think? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/11/2016 3:11:55 AM EDT
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You're talking to a man that built a solar powered submarine Hoss, what do you think? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So - you're saying the astronauts will have cable? You're talking to a man that built a solar powered submarine Hoss, what do you think? Touché. And I can state w/o reservation he's extremely generous w/ his time even for a minor favor.
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Posted: 11/14/2016 12:27:53 PM EDT
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Update 11/14
We had Friday off for State Football last week. Hopefully we can cram a bunch in before next week. We have Wed-Friday off next week for Thanksgiving. The tail is getting some final texture details.....still.
Top windows getting cut out this morning. 
Satellite still in pieces. 
The bells are getting a little caulking between pieces. I know. Still a little rough as far as texture goes, but I have hopes that with a few more details, and paint, they will be passable. She did an excellent job of making them symmetrical.
Details on the hatch going well, but we are redoing some of the tile work. 
Tiling still going on the wing. Making good progress. 
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Posted: 11/14/2016 2:54:49 PM EDT
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just stumbled across this pic....
THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 
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Posted: 11/14/2016 3:13:54 PM EDT
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just stumbled across this pic.... THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/8.jpg LOL wood. |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 3:40:15 PM EDT
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just stumbled across this pic.... THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/8.jpg That is very cool. 
Is that the real thing, or a model??????? |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 5:30:36 PM EDT
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there were pictures posted this summer/fall of old abandoned places in Siberia and this hanger was in them, amazing pictures
here really neat old soviet space program enjoy |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 5:33:38 PM EDT
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That is very cool.
Is that the real thing, or a model??????? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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just stumbled across this pic.... THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/8.jpg That is very cool.
Is that the real thing, or a model??????? No idea, but I had to use this: 
Might be one of the wind tunnel mockups or a proof of concept of some sort. From what I was reading it sounds like there was only one that was operational. |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 6:31:14 PM EDT
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That is very cool.
Is that the real thing, or a model??????? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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just stumbled across this pic.... THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/8.jpg That is very cool.
Is that the real thing, or a model??????? I think real. It was in a list of 50 amazing pics, things like Hitler's bunker, last photo of titanic, etc.. The caption I posted was the only info. |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 6:32:39 PM EDT
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http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795.html
Well, you got me looking on Google. found this page, which has some interesting pics. like this 
I think the "tanish" color is just their primer color? 
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Posted: 11/14/2016 6:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL wood. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: just stumbled across this pic.... THE SOVIET BURAN SPACECRAFT, 1982 http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/8.jpg LOL wood. |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 6:50:40 PM EDT
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http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795.html Well, you got me looking on Google. found this page, which has some interesting pics. like this http://Well, you got me looking on Google. found this page, which has some interesting pics. http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-14.jpg http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-15.jpg http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-16.jpg http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-21.jpg http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-39.gif I think the "tanish" color is just their primer color? http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2008/03/X6382795/X6382795-41.jpg hmm- maybe anodized or DuPont green (or similar) airplane paint? |
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Posted: 11/14/2016 8:43:41 PM EDT
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Update 11/14.2
One wing down!!! Well, at least as far as tiles go. Student s started putting some paint down today.....at $37 a gallon. Uggg. 
We decided to try some Uboat gray paint thst we had remaining on the wing edges. Seems to look pretty good, but remember we will be lightening this quite a bit with airbrush. One bad point today, and I wondered if this might happen, the water color paper on the edges puckered a bit.  Not sure if they will pop out when it dries or not. If not we may have to do some plaster/bondo along the edges. Not good. I thought we'd be good, as the kids had wet the paper when it was applied so it was stretched pretty good, but apparently not enough.
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Posted: 11/14/2016 9:14:10 PM EDT
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Keep up the great work!
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Posted: 11/14/2016 9:39:16 PM EDT
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Programming note....
Armageddon is on AMC right now....
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Posted: 11/14/2016 9:49:12 PM EDT
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Programming note.... Armageddon is on AMC right now....
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:07:16 PM EDT
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Programming note.... Armageddon is on AMC right now....
I don't wanna miss a thang.... Sadly, most of my students haven't seen it.
I need to figure out if my classroom projector will play movies from my Vudu account. My old one wouldnt. I had to have the DVD.
Monday and Tues next week we may have to do some serious research and watch "Space Cowboys " 
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:09:58 PM EDT
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Looking awesome Guns! Tell the kids they are doing a great job.
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:41:38 PM EDT
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Sadly, most of my students haven't seen it.
I need to figure out if my classroom projector will play movies from my Vudu account. My old one wouldnt. I had to have the DVD.
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Programming note.... Armageddon is on AMC right now....
I don't wanna miss a thang.... Sadly, most of my students haven't seen it.
I need to figure out if my classroom projector will play movies from my Vudu account. My old one wouldnt. I had to have the DVD.
Monday and Tues next week we may have to do some serious research and watch "Space Cowboys " Just make sure to fast forward through the "Watch the gazelle" scene with Afflect and Liv Tyler. Might be pushing it a bit for the younger eyes in your class...
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:49:52 PM EDT
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Looking awesome Guns! Tell the kids they are doing a great job. I'll pass that along, thank you!
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:50:44 PM EDT
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Just make sure to fast forward through the "Watch the gazelle" scene with Afflect and Liv Tyler. Might be pushing it a bit for the younger eyes in your class... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Programming note.... Armageddon is on AMC right now....
I don't wanna miss a thang.... Sadly, most of my students haven't seen it.
I need to figure out if my classroom projector will play movies from my Vudu account. My old one wouldnt. I had to have the DVD.
Monday and Tues next week we may have to do some serious research and watch "Space Cowboys " Just make sure to fast forward through the "Watch the gazelle" scene with Afflect and Liv Tyler. Might be pushing it a bit for the younger eyes in your class... Good advice.
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Posted: 11/15/2016 11:37:06 AM EDT
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Wing edges don't look too bad today. We will probably still do a little body work on some of the noticeable "dents" but they are pretty shallow, and should cover over fairly easily.
Many students are taking a day off of the shuttle to work on a bear rug, so I'm not sure how far we will get today. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 3:08:35 PM EDT
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What is your plan to deal with the white between the tiles? will you airbrush the whole underside of the wing with a matte black or gray?
The real shuttle spaces between the tiles definitely don't look white. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 4:41:08 PM EDT
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What is your plan to deal with the white between the tiles? will you airbrush the whole underside of the wing with a matte black or gray? The real shuttle spaces between the tiles definitely don't look white. Well, according to this photo, they are pretty light in many areas. It may be from the gasses and burning on lift off, but they are clearly light in this photo. You know, my favorite photo. 
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-114/hires/iss011e11078.jpg There will be lots of airbrushing over the tiles before we are all done. Hopefully, it will look fairly authentic when finished.
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Posted: 11/15/2016 8:56:55 PM EDT
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Yes, there are scorch marks of some sort, around the tiles, and the lines seem to be following the slipstream (correct term?) of re-entry.
But, you can see that the deep cracks really are dark 
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Posted: 11/15/2016 9:04:03 PM EDT
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Yes, there are scorch marks of some sort, around the tiles, and the lines seem to be following the slipstream (correct term?) of re-entry. http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000psdM37pyg_U/fit=1000x750/20140818-chantilly-virginia-jb0094.jpg http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a53348f0a43b485abd0d841cca22b6a7/heat-resistant-tiles-on-the-shuttle-kennedy-space-center-florida-united-b5ed45.jpg But, you can see that the deep cracks really are dark http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-heat-resistant-tiles-on-outside-of-nose-of-space-shuttle-florida-19521730.jpg Awesome photos. Not sure we will be able to get both.
On the front and nose, I'll see if we can get something close, but the dark lines, probably won't happen that easily. It will be difficult to see them at all with the dark tiles. They are just too small. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 9:05:43 PM EDT
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Adding some expanding foam today. Needed another can. + 12.00 ----------------- $784.00 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Subtotal so far: 347.00 I'm going to update this a bit. We used approximately 100 sheets of pen and ink board so far. Those cost about $3.50 each so : $347.00 + 350.00 --------------- Sub total so far on the project: $697.00 +$75.00 T 50 stapler, door trim, screws, and a 7/16ths sheet of chip board for the satellite. -------------------- $772.00 sub total for the project. Adding some expanding foam today. Needed another can. + 12.00 ----------------- $784.00 Adding paint +76.00 ------------------- $860 new sub total |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 9:55:54 PM EDT
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The white burn marks, you might be able to recreate with an airbrush, with very low paint flow.
Or, you could possibly use ground (with sandpaper) white chalk, applied with a brush, then affixed with a matte finish spray paint (Krylon makes it, and available at Wal Mart) |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 11:30:21 PM EDT
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The white burn marks, you might be able to recreate with an airbrush, with very low paint flow. Or, you could possibly use ground (with sandpaper) white chalk, applied with a brush, then affixed with a matte finish spray paint (Krylon makes it, and available at Wal Mart) The shuttle at Kennedy looks airbrushed, but think it is the actual effect of reentry. |
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Posted: 11/16/2016 11:30:08 AM EDT
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Mural plans got a little more defined today for the presentation area.
We hope to have a large view of earth from space.....1/2 Earth rising? Something like that. Above it will be the full poem by John Gillespie Magee- High Fight Next to that, or near it will be part of Reagan's speech after the Challenger disaster. We've got some students lined up to start this, soon, or at semester. |
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Posted: 11/16/2016 11:34:35 AM EDT
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Awesome photos. Not sure we will be able to get both.
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Yes, there are scorch marks of some sort, around the tiles, and the lines seem to be following the slipstream (correct term?) of re-entry. http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000psdM37pyg_U/fit=1000x750/20140818-chantilly-virginia-jb0094.jpg http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a53348f0a43b485abd0d841cca22b6a7/heat-resistant-tiles-on-the-shuttle-kennedy-space-center-florida-united-b5ed45.jpg But, you can see that the deep cracks really are dark http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-heat-resistant-tiles-on-outside-of-nose-of-space-shuttle-florida-19521730.jpg Awesome photos. Not sure we will be able to get both.
On the front and nose, I'll see if we can get something close, but the dark lines, probably won't happen that easily. It will be difficult to see them at all with the dark tiles. They are just too small. I'm sure when you take them off to reorient them correctly you can also correct the gap color.
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Posted: 11/16/2016 2:26:02 PM EDT
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Mural plans got a little more defined today for the presentation area. We hope to have a large view of earth from space.....1/2 Earth rising? Something like that. Above it will be the full poem by John Gillespie Magee- High Fight Next to that, or near it will be part of Reagan's speech after the Challenger disaster. We've got some students lined up to start this, soon, or at semester. Will the "Earth Rising" cover the ceiling above the Shuttle? That'd be way cool. Then it'd match your pictures. 
I think you missed your calling as a museum exhibit dude, but you are making many more lives better and more creative this way, so I approve. |
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Posted: 11/16/2016 3:00:51 PM EDT
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Will the "Earth Rising" cover the ceiling above the Shuttle? That'd be way cool. Then it'd match your pictures.
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Mural plans got a little more defined today for the presentation area. We hope to have a large view of earth from space.....1/2 Earth rising? Something like that. Above it will be the full poem by John Gillespie Magee- High Fight Next to that, or near it will be part of Reagan's speech after the Challenger disaster. We've got some students lined up to start this, soon, or at semester. Will the "Earth Rising" cover the ceiling above the Shuttle? That'd be way cool. Then it'd match your pictures.
I think you missed your calling as a museum exhibit dude, but you are making many more lives better and more creative this way, so I approve. Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high. 
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Posted: 11/16/2016 3:13:08 PM EDT
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An easy way to achieve the white streaking on the tiles would be to use posit-notes as a quick mask, and hit it with an airbrush.
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Posted: 11/16/2016 3:20:46 PM EDT
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Maybe you covered it already Guns I'm just curious what your plans are for the IKON satellite? I know the shuttle will be inverted from the ceiling but where will IKON be in relation to it? And will your Canadarm move?
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Posted: 11/16/2016 3:27:59 PM EDT
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Maybe you covered it already Guns I'm just curious what your plans are for the IKON satellite? I know the shuttle will be inverted from the ceiling but where will IKON be in relation to it? And will your Canadarm move? Not sure exactly of the orientation of Ikon yet. Maybe inverted like the shuttle. I've got pictures i'll post later of the start of construction.
The Canadarm will not move. We did get the robotics materials today, so construction of those pieces will begin soon. I will be happy just to get the doors moving. |
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Posted: 11/16/2016 3:47:13 PM EDT
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Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high.
Plus the fire marshal will hit a higher orbit than the shuttle ever reached when he sees a painted ceiling tile. |
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Posted: 11/16/2016 4:21:07 PM EDT
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Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high.
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Mural plans got a little more defined today for the presentation area. We hope to have a large view of earth from space.....1/2 Earth rising? Something like that. Above it will be the full poem by John Gillespie Magee- High Fight Next to that, or near it will be part of Reagan's speech after the Challenger disaster. We've got some students lined up to start this, soon, or at semester. Will the "Earth Rising" cover the ceiling above the Shuttle? That'd be way cool. Then it'd match your pictures.
I think you missed your calling as a museum exhibit dude, but you are making many more lives better and more creative this way, so I approve. Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high.
Oh, I thought it was going to be on a paper/canvas that the janitor would hang up. I suppose simply changing the ceiling tiles to black will have to do. 
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Posted: 11/16/2016 5:58:00 PM EDT
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I'm sure when you take them off to reorient them correctly you can also correct the gap color. You're trying to get me shanked right?
I'm careful not to say things like that while too many of them are holding sharp instruments.
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Posted: 11/16/2016 7:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high. Well, if Michelangelo did it, surely they can.
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Posted: 11/16/2016 9:15:16 PM EDT
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Update 11/16
Ok, Ikon is underway. It was a bit of a rough start, with some failures to launch, but now they seem to have a method to their madness. If I don't interrupt them too much they should have the framework done fairly quickly. 
This jumble of rings is the airlock being organized and readied for assembly. It too might get done if I don't make the engineer go help scale the hinges for the cargo bay door actuators. 
The second wing made good progress in tiling. There was probably twice as many tiles pictures here by the end of the day. 
The hatch on the front got retired today. The star camera ports are all sculpted. Tiling will probably begin on the nose in the next few days. We might put black paint down first. 
Finally, this Yupo painting was looking pretty cool, so I thought I should share it. Depending on how this turns out, I may have to work on getting this donated to be displayed with the shuttle. Yupo is watercolor sprayed on a plastic canvas. Resists like spiderwebbing decoration, watercolor paper, string, feathers, all can be used to create images in the free flowing color.
"Space Cowboys" is on for either Friday, or Monday.
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Posted: 11/17/2016 12:53:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Wall.....wall .......no freaken ceiling paintings 30ft up. Can you imagine kids in a lift up that high. Well, if Michelangelo did it, surely they can. I think he's ignoring our great suggestions. Seems the only way forwards is an endowment for an Art Museum attached to the High School, where he can make his own false ceilings any color, and at a safe distance. Then his school might get associated with artists, and Guns would quit due to the liberal influx. Best leave it as it is, now that I think about it.
As for the updated photos, you mentioned having a plan for the 'rough seams' between the 'thermal blanket tiles'... Would love to hear about it!
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Posted: 11/17/2016 1:04:55 AM EDT
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Wow, don't know how I missed this thread till now  I followed the sub thread and am truly impressed with the work you do with your students! Looks amazing so far.
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Posted: 11/17/2016 9:15:13 AM EDT
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I think he's ignoring our great suggestions. Seems the only way forwards is an endowment for an Art Museum attached to the High School, where he can make his own false ceilings any color, and at a safe distance. Then his school might get associated with artists, and Guns would quit due to the liberal influx. Best leave it as it is, now that I think about it.
As for the updated photos, you mentioned having a plan for the 'rough seams' between the 'thermal blanket tiles'... Would love to hear about it!
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As for the updated photos, you mentioned having a plan for the 'rough seams' between the 'thermal blanket tiles'... Would love to hear about it!
The idea of black ceiling tiles is not bad at all. I'm not sure I'm willing to risk my life bringing that idea up to the custodian.
Painting the ceiling tiles I think is ok, as even the Army Recruiter gets away with that in his building. As for the blanket seams, yes, they look really rough . Once we get to the airbrushing, we will see if we can camo them up a bit using a hard edge.
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Posted: 11/17/2016 10:35:58 AM EDT
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The idea of black ceiling tiles is not bad at all. I'm not sure I'm willing to risk my life bringing that idea up to the custodian.
Painting the ceiling tiles I think is ok, as even the Army Recruiter gets away with that in his building. As for the blanket seams, yes, they look really rough . Once we get to the airbrushing, we will see if we can camo them up a bit using a hard edge.The Sistine Cafeteria...
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