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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:37:10 PM EST
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I'd like to see all these same people, supporting Storm Front. Also defend an ANTIFA site getting taken down.

In fact, people laughed their asses off at DU being knocked offline by DNS attack. Nobody cried about DU's first amendment rights that hackers were denying them.
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One is an act of vandalism by a small group of private individuals (DDS) while the other is censorship with the blessing of authority (corporate policy/legal guidelines/liability clauses etc).
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:39:23 PM EST
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I don't think it is reasonable to assume nefarious intent on the LACK of action to override what is almost assuredly an entirely automated process with calculated intervals.

After 60 days have passed, sure.  Then someone has to have taken specific action to override those same automatic tasks to keep them from doing what they do, and transferring the domain.
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The only possible justification given is to prevent domain hijacking, which is bunk.

It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it.

Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here.
I don't think it is reasonable to assume nefarious intent on the LACK of action to override what is almost assuredly an entirely automated process with calculated intervals.

After 60 days have passed, sure.  Then someone has to have taken specific action to override those same automatic tasks to keep them from doing what they do, and transferring the domain.
When dealing with leftists it's always reasonable to assume nefarious intent.

95% of the time they're evil on purpose, the remaining 5% they're evil on accident.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:43:30 PM EST
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1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront.
2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot
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 Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely.
   
  Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion.

 Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance.

 The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized.
1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront.
2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot
1. Yes we do.
2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:48:31 PM EST
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The only possible justification given is to prevent domain hijacking, which is bunk.

It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it.

Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here.
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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped.

Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166
If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible.
I just confirmed this works.

So the site still exists but DNS isn't routing to it.

Who controls DNS again?

ICANN does.
Registrars reserve the domain name.
They're not being allowed to transfer to a new registrar.

ICANN is the one who is denying the transfer, so they've been delisted by current registrar and ICANN won't let them move to a new one.


Please note that you may not transfer your domain name to a new registrar within the first 60 days after initial registration, or the first 60 days after a transfer.
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/text-2012-02-25-en

Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer.
Why does that rule exist? What good reason is there to have such a rule at all
https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/61694/why-do-we-have-to-wait-60-days-between-each-domain-transfer


and is it not able to be waived?
I dunno.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-holder-faqs-2012-02-25-en

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/policy-2012-03-07-en
The only possible justification given is to prevent domain hijacking, which is bunk.

It doesn't prevent the initial transfer of a domain, it only prevents subsequent transfers, so a hijacker could still take it and transfer it to a new registrar where they control it.

Even in light of that dubiously effective policy the prohibition should be easily waived in a situation where no such domain hijacking has taken place, as is clearly the case here.
It's easier to sort stuff out between two groups rather than a hundred out of different countries.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on it. Right after ICANN fixes grandma's internet problem/connection.

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I'm just noting this is a hypothetical/educated guess, still have no idea what's really going on.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:51:58 PM EST
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One is an act of vandalism by a small group of private individuals (DDS) while the other is censorship with the blessing of authority (corporate policy/legal guidelines/liability clauses etc).
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I'd like to see all these same people, supporting Storm Front. Also defend an ANTIFA site getting taken down.

In fact, people laughed their asses off at DU being knocked offline by DNS attack. Nobody cried about DU's first amendment rights that hackers were denying them.
One is an act of vandalism by a small group of private individuals (DDS) while the other is censorship with the blessing of authority (corporate policy/legal guidelines/liability clauses etc).
One can still go there, so far, it looks like it's just that the two registrars they were with don't want to reserve the name anymore, and the last registrar they were with can't transfer the domain name until after 60 days (of the first transfer).

Domain names just identify an IP address.

Could be wrong about what's happening though.

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Their site is still up and hosted, it's only the DNS records that have been dropped.

Their last recorded IP was 192.169.81.166
If you drop this in a HOSTS file as stormfront.org and www.stormfront.org (their CMS/forum needs to reference the DNS name) the site is still accessible.
I just confirmed this works.

So the site still exists but DNS isn't routing to it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:12:09 PM EST
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Google can stop you from speaking in public?
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It becomes a really interesting question when all forms of public discourse are controlled by private entities.  Considering the high barriers to entry to market like internet searches, do anti-trust laws begin to apply?  Three companies control the major platforms people use to access the internet - microsoft, apple and google.  Do we simply give them the ability to control who gets on and what they do when they get there?
Google can stop you from speaking in public?
Google could kidnap everyone you know and make you put the lotion on the skin in lieu of getting the hose again and the US govt wouldn't do shit for a variety of reasons that are terrifying.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:26:55 PM EST
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Dailystormer =/= stormfront, AFAIK.

Still not seeing anything about ICANN, but it really is a minor point of disagreement when we largely agree about not kicking people off the internet
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Bro, serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/14/godaddy-bans-neo-nazi-site-daily-stormer-for-disparaging-woman-killed-at-charlottesville-rally/?utm_term=.79b13124f4a7

Google extradited it and burned it.  Look at whois...  look up the terms of transfer from just godaddy and ICANN, those two can hold a site in purgatory 10 daya at a time, over and over.  In fact it looks like there was another "failed transfer" Yesterday, which would.have been 10 days since their transfer app would have been in..  they can keep delaying it..  and we haven't even mentioned Googles powers (not that they aren't pulling the levers behind the scenes)

But hey its free market tho, right?
Dailystormer =/= stormfront, AFAIK.

Still not seeing anything about ICANN, but it really is a minor point of disagreement when we largely agree about not kicking people off the internet
Oh you might be right, I thought that was the same thing or an appendage of that site.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:30:13 PM EST
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Imagine if the phone company cut off service to your house because you are a Trump supporter.

This is no different.

Right now they are going for the low-hanging fruit (IE the couple dozen goofballs on Stormfront) but that will quickly change.

The fact that almost all Internet access in this country is through just 2-3 companies makes it especially dangerous.
Its very different.
What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice...  barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:37:19 PM EST
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https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/text-2012-02-25-en

Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer.
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Lots of people in this thread have never tried to transfer a domain twice in 30 days
I.e. There's nothing going on except they're having trouble moving the site?

Please note that you may not transfer your domain name to a new registrar within the first 60 days after initial registration, or the first 60 days after a transfer.
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/text-2012-02-25-en

Their first registrar didn't want to reserve their domain name anymore, so they transferred and the second registrar didn't want to reserve their name anymore. Looks like they can't transfer their domain again until the first 60 days of their first transfer.
It circumstantially appears the second one picked them up for 15 mins knowing they would dump them, to initiate that probation period.  

Could be wrong, but it's easy to be cynical.

And for the record I never go to that site, I think I ended up there once on a Google search and went
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:38:19 PM EST
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1. Yes we do.
2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
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 Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely.
   
  Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion.

 Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance.

 The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized.
1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront.
2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot
1. Yes we do.
2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
He gives out warning to people for saying ANTIFA deserves helicopter rides. Ask me how I know.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:41:23 PM EST
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:52:47 PM EST
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I just confirmed this works.

So the site still exists but DNS isn't routing to it.

Who controls DNS again?

ICANN does.
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Negative. Cloud flare appear to not be serving their dns zone anymore,  but we don't know why.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:53:51 PM EST
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice...  barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline
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Accessing the Internet is very different from accessing a website
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:57:47 PM EST
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
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Because Nazis are socialists, and thus think their rights extend to other peoples personal property?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:14:00 PM EST
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Accessing the Internet is very different from accessing a website
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice...  barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline
Accessing the Internet is very different from accessing a website
ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:15:14 PM EST
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
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Yes, in fact something is stopping them.

RTFT.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:16:24 PM EST
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You really suggesting Stormfront is the website hill you want to battle and die for?
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We should have been fighting this when the Confederate flag was their symbol of hate.

Maybe this is the one to fight over, then again I think we should all wait until it personally effects us. That way we will win the fight for sure.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:17:29 PM EST
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He gives out warning to people for saying ANTIFA deserves helicopter rides. Ask me how I know.
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 Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely.
   
  Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion.

 Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance.

 The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized.
1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront.
2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot
1. Yes we do.
2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
He gives out warning to people for saying ANTIFA deserves helicopter rides. Ask me how I know.
Are you serious?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:19:29 PM EST
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Are you serious?
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 Watching hapless tards get hacked is very different from seeing a provider flush a site completely.
   
  Drawing a false equivalence between the two is disingenuous at best in my opinion.

 Being disgusted by pc censorship is in no way similar to laughing at poor site protection/maintenance.

 The left think black rifles are evil...it won't be a happy day when this site gets vaporized.
1-first off no one really knows what happened to Stormfront.
2-the point is Stormfront is somehow perceived as "better" than DU and other scumbags. People were posting about throwing liberals out of helicopters and how awesome Pinochet was for torturing and killing the families of communists, but when some white supremecists take it in the pooper "Ah we have to live by the rule of law" Don't cry for those poor Nazis who lost their website while declaring that the entire staff of the New York Times should be kicked out of a flying Blackhawk onto a parking lot
1. Yes we do.
2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
He gives out warning to people for saying ANTIFA deserves helicopter rides. Ask me how I know.
Are you serious?
I  have a warning PM in my inbox right now for it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:25:12 PM EST
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ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
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You don't know how the internet works.

Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:25:56 PM EST
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<---Gazes into crystal ball.

I am seeing something...wait...it's coming...

...I am seeing "system message"...

...soon!
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:29:10 PM EST
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Yes, in fact something is stopping them.

RTFT.
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What exactly?

ICANN
Google
Facebook
Soros
DNS things


Or all of the above?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:30:40 PM EST
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<---Gazes into crystal ball.

I am seeing something...wait...it's coming...

...I am seeing "system message"...

...soon!
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What are you suggesting, that Arfcom Site Staff would put a stop to civil public discourse?

Yeah, I know, private website.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:38:25 PM EST
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Yes, in fact something is stopping them.

RTFT.
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
Yes, in fact something is stopping them.

RTFT.
No, it's not.

Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct?

Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter.

Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 4:48:28 PM EST
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Man, some of you guys don't see the nuance here.  This is not black and white.
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming.
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Actually it does, if you shut down Antifa or the Communist Party USA websites that is exactly what the same people who are punching people in the face would be screaming. Or just look at what people who got made when President Trump blocked them from his twitterfeed scream and are trying to get a court to stop him from blocking them, from his personal twitter account.
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So you let Antifa interpret the Constitution for you?
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming.
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This is correct...the danger should be obvious to everyone here! Evil bad scary black rifle site defeat in 3...2...1...

 Totalitarian tolerance...
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You don't know how the internet works.

Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person.
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ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
You don't know how the internet works.

Just because you can get a phone line, doesn't mean you have a right to call a specific person.
Oh so the phone company decides who you can and can't call? Like if they decided nobody can call Hans the neo-Nazi that's totally cool?

It's either a utility or it isn't, you Commies need to pick one.
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Anyone who doesn't think that the SJW thought police won't eventually come after sites like ARFcom is a fool. We are all the same to them.

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No, it's not.

Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct?

Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter.

Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain
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Yes, in fact something is stopping them.

RTFT.
No, it's not.

Anyone can hook up a server to the internet. You were able to connect through their IP address, correct?

Having a Registrar reserve a domain name for you to point to an IP address is a different matter.

Whether they want to form their own Registrar, etc. is up to them

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/21/16180614/charlottesville-daily-stormer-alt-right-internet-domain
At the very least the domain has been shut down for 60 days due to ICANN's asinine transfer policy.

They could find another registrar today and it makes no difference, they can't get the DNS updated anyway.

99% of the population isn't savvy enough to modify fucking hosts files and all that shit, if they can't find it with a simple search it's effectively taken offline.
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There are a lot of really short sighted people in this thread. This should alarm you, not because the users of Stormfront are good guys, they're not. They're the neckbeardist neckbeards who ever lived. The problem is that to SJWs, there is no real difference between AR15.com and Stormfront. They're honing the tactics they will use to take down as much of the right as they can on easy targets right now. It may take them 5 years to get around to this website, but believe me, it's coming.
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You are attributing to stupidity what is rightfully attributed to malice.

There are a bunch of leftists who know where this leads and that's exactly where they want it to go. They feign ignorance because it's less objectionable than saying they want anti-left opinions silenced.
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nothing what I said is anything like your wacky version of it. "help I'm being oppressed" 
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2. Ahhh, god forbid public discourse and all of the uncomfortableness that comes with it. Letting people speak their mind is a shame..Why, we should just make every one talk the same and control their thought!


Unreal that our site staff feels this way.
nothing what I said is anything like your wacky version of it. "help I'm being oppressed" 
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:13:46 PM EST
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why does this thread even exist?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:13:49 PM EST
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For fucks sake, nothing is stopping these assholes from getting their own server.  How do allegedly grown men not understand that the first amendment does not mean businesses have to host these assholes?
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Getting a server is easy, hell Hillary had her own one.  They can have it set up in the basement of a house in New York and sit around in a circle connecting to it directly.   Getting the server connected to the internet is another thing all together, that is the issue.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:21:24 PM EST
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ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice...  barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline
Accessing the Internet is very different from accessing a website
ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
consistency is not a hallmark of the Left.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:22:28 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:26:18 PM EST
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Getting a server is easy, hell Hillary had her own one.  They can have it set up in the basement of a house in New York and sit around in a circle connecting to it directly.   Getting the server connected to the internet is another thing all together, that is the issue.
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Their server is connected to the internet.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:30:23 PM EST
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Even after more than a decade on this board, I am surprised at Posters who enter a multi-page thread and post without reading.


Even a cursory glance through would / should indicate to someone there is something here that is likely outside their experience, and they should look in to it more.


And yet we still have folks who obviously aren't understanding this isn't about hosting.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:31:11 PM EST
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At the very least the domain has been shut down for 60 days due to ICANN's asinine transfer policy.

They could find another registrar today and it makes no difference, they can't get the DNS updated anyway.

99% of the population isn't savvy enough to modify fucking hosts files and all that shit, if they can't find it with a simple search it's effectively taken offline.
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The dns can be updated quickly.

Their site will be up soon.... they've been down before because of stuff like this.

Fyi their Dallas-based host hasn't kicked them off and Google still lists them.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:32:40 PM EST
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Oh so the phone company decides who you can and can't call? Like if they decided nobody can call Hans the neo-Nazi that's totally cool?

It's either a utility or it isn't, you Commies need to pick one.
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The destination can block you easy enough... the phone listing service might not list you etc... similar things exist on the internet.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:33:16 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:35:32 PM EST
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Even after more than a decade on this board, I am surprised at Posters who enter a multi-page thread and post without reading.


Even a cursory glance through would / should indicate to someone there is something here that is likely outside their experience, and they should look in to it more.


And yet we still have folks who obviously aren't understanding this isn't about hosting.
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It's not about hosting, as you say - it's about the DNS registrar.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:38:09 PM EST
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It's not about hosting, as you say - it's about the DNS registrar.
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Yes. And I and others (even Goatboy!) have been saying it for several pages now - and yet we still have users coming in and making the same comments based on misunderstanding the concern.

Experienced posters who have been here for years. Who should know to read before posting.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:38:33 PM EST
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consistency is not a hallmark of the Left.
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What if you get your phone through your Internet, as is an increasing practice...  barely anyone I know under 40 has a landline
Accessing the Internet is very different from accessing a website
ISPs are private companies.

You can't have it both ways, you can't make ISPs utilities because reasons and then not have the exact same arguments apply to other private companies involved in the chain of content distribution.

That's just leftist double think bullshit.

Either the Internet is a utility or it isn't, leftists need to pick one and stick with it.
consistency is not a hallmark of the Left.
They're remarkably consistent in a way, consistent in supporting and advocating for anything that gives them more power and control.

They change their positions on issues like a weathervane, but their quest for control is unending.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:45:04 PM EST
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This is the point. Their name provider is freezing them out of DNS records and not allowing them access to it. It may be a technicality or it may be intentional. As of right now, everything points to it being intentional, including what involved parties have said about it.
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They'll have a contingency... a lawyer will write a letter and the domain will be allowed to move. Or something like that.

Do you know what kicked it off? It's not like you agree to service stormfront and then on a whim turn the service off.

These days just the threat of legal action against a private company is probably enough.

I got warnings via Twitter, from some activists, for my site because Google served some of my ads on a "hate" site (not even close to a hate site of course.)
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:54:40 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 5:57:50 PM EST
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"DU got hacked, ha ha good riddance!"
"Stormfront got shut down by their service provider, it's an outrage"
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I make comments like this and people put me on ignore.  That must be the only perk of being site staff (other than the Yugo). 
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 6:00:18 PM EST
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It's still funny people cheer and praise about DU getting knocked offline.

But when it's Stormfront....." Omgz, 1st amendment rights!!!!!!"

That is pretty ironic. Democrat = Evil who we laugh at when their shit goes down. Nazi = Tragic heroes.

While I disagree with Democrats on many things. Democrats are not scum of the Earth, that Nazis are.
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