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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:55:12 AM EST
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Tried to login to my, uhhh, "research" account. Yeah, that's the ticket. I go there to mock them for being the Leftists they are, just like I do at DU. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:55:48 AM EST
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Remember the thread about this incident? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906987/Hacker-group-Anonymous-claims-forced-jihadi-website-announcing-online-war-against-extremists-wake-Charlie-Hebdo-murders.html Heck, we actually had a group (albeit poorly defined) taking credit. I don't remember the calls for solidarity with Jihadists because "we're all lumped together as crazy violent fundamentalists in the eyes of the Left," or similar rationale, being used. Instead, the general feelings of solidarity expressed were with the hackers. Why, in this case, are we hearing calls to stand up for Stormfront, lest we be next, and blaming the outage on shadowy international schemers in league with Soros? Motivation is an Overton window case. This is not an attempt at shifting the entire window, it is the deletion of positions between normal and extreme to compress the spectrum. In this case, varied rightist and white ethnic identity positions are being memory holed to force a choice between civic nationalism and caricatured super-racism. Explicit witch hunts of racists are a happy accident of mob action tangential to the narrative. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:09:33 AM EST
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I'm all about that 88!! Heil Dale Jr!!!!
 Attached FileI do hope they figured out who was the whitest over there. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:13:31 AM EST
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Random activist hacking and emergently coordinated state-compatible multi-institutional suppression are significantly different threat models. Competent people speaking in good faith recognize this. Motivation is an Overton window case. This is not an attempt at shifting the entire window, it is the deletion of positions between normal and extreme to compress the spectrum. In this case, varied rightist and white ethnic identity positions are being memory holed to force a choice between civic nationalism and caricatured super-racism. Explicit witch hunts of racists are a happy accident of mob action tangential to the narrative. The Internet just disagreed. Also, cloud flare is hosting their DNS who can take care of ddos protection IIRC. But I can't be bothered to look into it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:20:46 AM EST
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How long does AR15.com have left? Seriously? Given this environment, a non-PC, Pro-2A website does not a chance. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:24:47 AM EST
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Because stormfront is between normal and extreme? The Internet just disagreed. Also, cloud flare is hosting their DNS who can take care of ddos protection IIRC. But I can't be bothered to look into it. Youtube's new restricted-content rules and mass demonetization are representative samples of "moderates" insofar as crimethinkers can ever be moderate. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:25:50 AM EST
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Random activist hacking and emergently coordinated state-compatible multi-institutional suppression are significantly different threat models. Competent people speaking in good faith recognize this. Motivation is an Overton window case. This is not an attempt at shifting the entire window, it is the deletion of positions between normal and extreme to compress the spectrum. In this case, varied rightist and white ethnic identity positions are being memory holed to force a choice between civic nationalism and caricatured super-racism. Explicit witch hunts of racists are a happy accident of mob action tangential to the narrative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remember the thread about this incident? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906987/Hacker-group-Anonymous-claims-forced-jihadi-website-announcing-online-war-against-extremists-wake-Charlie-Hebdo-murders.html Heck, we actually had a group (albeit poorly defined) taking credit. I don't remember the calls for solidarity with Jihadists because "we're all lumped together as crazy violent fundamentalists in the eyes of the Left," or similar rationale, being used. Instead, the general feelings of solidarity expressed were with the hackers. Why, in this case, are we hearing calls to stand up for Stormfront, lest we be next, and blaming the outage on shadowy international schemers in league with Soros? Motivation is an Overton window case. This is not an attempt at shifting the entire window, it is the deletion of positions between normal and extreme to compress the spectrum. In this case, varied rightist and white ethnic identity positions are being memory holed to force a choice between civic nationalism and caricatured super-racism. Explicit witch hunts of racists are a happy accident of mob action tangential to the narrative. And, the gradual increased acceptance of White Nationalist talking points in GD is indeed an example of an Overton window case. Using this website shutdown as a rallying cry to call for solidarity is just one piece of it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:26:48 AM EST
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For years private businesses would not provide service to minorities, black men couldn't travel on vacation or for business because they couldn't eat at restaurants or stay in motels, there was even a book of places they could stay. Then during the Civil Rights movement the Feds stepped in. Course the Feds ended up I n their usual role of "watch out when you let the genie out of the bottle." Now we have the EEOC going after a PA security guard company for doing criminal background checks which disproportionately affect black men. Now Stormfront is being hung out to dry by the same "you should be able to refuse anyone service" mantra they sang for years because the industry controlled what the fuck ever group decided to kill them off. Arfcom is probably as much at risk in the long run by the Feds assuring "free speach" as by the mysterious lefty internet register cabal. Neither should have control of a group's access to the net. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We'll see how happy you are when they shut down Arfcom. Now Stormfront is being hung out to dry by the same "you should be able to refuse anyone service" mantra they sang for years because the industry controlled what the fuck ever group decided to kill them off. Arfcom is probably as much at risk in the long run by the Feds assuring "free speach" as by the mysterious lefty internet register cabal. Neither should have control of a group's access to the net. As for stormfront and the whole "88" thing. I had never even heard of it before learning of its existence on arfcom. I imagine a bunch of barely literate fat unemployed dudes comprised the membership. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:27:19 AM EST
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During the Obama days, ARFCOM was listed as a "potential domestic terrorist" and watched heavily. This includes persons in positions and the most vocal folks. I spoke often to friends in the FBI and they confirmed. Nothing every happened, but to me, that is one step away from being raided/shut down. If Hillary had won, who knows where this place would be. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:27:22 AM EST
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I have never been to the site so I cannot have a cache, so I searched storm front and hit enter clicked on the site and it came up. So put down the phone and step away....... Never in a million years would I imagine trying so hard to access Stormfront. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:29:18 AM EST
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No, because extreme sites being censored is the grassroots, high-publicity side of the theme. Youtube's new restricted-content rules and mass demonetization are representative samples of "moderates" insofar as crimethinkers can ever be moderate. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:29:19 AM EST
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So you're saying I shouldn't spend the money to renew my membership next time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Obama days, ARFCOM was listed as a "potential domestic terrorist" and watched heavily. This includes persons in positions and the most vocal folks. I spoke often to friends in the FBI and they confirmed. Nothing every happened, but to me, that is one step away from being raided/shut down. If Hillary had won, who knows where this place would be. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:32:04 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:32:23 AM EST
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I'm literally happy to see the bad shit crazy left stick it to American Nazis. I hope they don't stop until the few dozen of them that actually exist are taken down. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:32:48 AM EST
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Speech for Communists/NeoLeft Facist who would line people up and shoot them for not agreeing is ok. But not for Stormfront. Hmmmmmmh. Selective Outrage and Censorship it is. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:34:41 AM EST
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Where will you post your daily "ohmigod look what a black man did!" True Crime stories Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long does AR15.com have left? Seriously? Given this environment, a non-PC, Pro-2A website does not a chance. https://patch.com/florida/coralgables-coconutgrove/murder-suspect-may-be-hiding-coral-gables http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/two-cops-shot-dead-in-florida/ http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-sb-fort-lauderdale-shooting-arrest-20170824-story.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-tucker-murder-trial-verdict-20170818-story.html http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article166316542.html http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article165106037.html |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:36:17 AM EST
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Google is a private company. You can host/view videos in a ton of other places if you don't like their usage policies. And Google Chrome still let's me do it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:36:25 AM EST
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of course it is selective. It is outrageously hypocritical for them to shut up the Nazis while carrying water for Communists. But here it is... |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:37:14 AM EST
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"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore
Sadly, there's always going to be a market for what groups like Stormfront peddle - and there's always going to be someone online providing it. Stormfront could easily switch to a TOR hidden service, but I have a feeling teaching a bunch of trailer park Nazis how to install/use TOR would be problematic.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:37:33 AM EST
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I'm gonna laugh with irony when they get around to taking down ARFCOM, just like when they get to the US Presidents and War Memorial Statues. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:38:04 AM EST
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Arfcom going down?
If Arfcom were to go down, it would be because the statists took over and condemned this place as a site for inciting violence and discord. We are not anti-ghey, anti-tranny, anti-black but we will fight over: beans/no beans treadmills 87 or the real answer 
big butts or flat butts Kate v. other wimmenz 9 mm v 45 Glock v Sig with respects to radius of explosion No shortage of controversies here, but race/sex/sexual orientation aren't among them.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:38:39 AM EST
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What "threat model" is this? Is there any evidence of this ICANN-Soros collusion? And, the gradual increased acceptance of White Nationalist talking points in GD is indeed an example of an Overton window case. Using this website shutdown as a rallying cry to call for solidarity is just one piece of it. Mitigating cross-platform censorship requires building new companies (in the most optimistic scenario) or new infrastructure in multiple fields, some bureaucratically restricted and others where the opposition often enjoys natural monopolies. You should be familiar with the concept of barriers to entry. I don't know or care about Soros, because Google, Youtube, Twitter, Cloudflare etc are the major actors here. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:41:23 AM EST
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Do you think those here defending Stormfront's right to exist online, would do the same for DU? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm struggling to see what you find so funny. Ever seen people posting here admitting that they read Stormfront before? Just that plain and simple and BOTH of you have to admit that the lefties are currently engaged HEAVILY in attempting to destroy free speech. That is what members here are pissed off about IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:41:39 AM EST
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There are efforts underway to workaround issues, but you should listen to GreyHat and read the EFF article posted. It is a matter of time till this site gets shut down. This isn't the first time stormfront has been "shut down" and people have been crying about it being online since at least the late 90s. It will be back in a week. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:43:10 AM EST
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reddit ar15 or 4chan or something i would assume. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:44:48 AM EST
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Mitigating hackers is done by not being an incompetent. Mitigating cross-platform censorship requires building new companies (in the most optimistic scenario) or new infrastructure in multiple fields, some bureaucratically restricted and others where the opposition often enjoys natural monopolies. You should be familiar with the concept of barriers to entry. I don't know or care about Soros, because Google, Youtube, Twitter, Cloudflare etc are the major actors here. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:45:07 AM EST
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Mitigating hackers is done by not being an incompetent. Mitigating cross-platform censorship requires building new companies (in the most optimistic scenario) or new infrastructure in multiple fields, some bureaucratically restricted and others where the opposition often enjoys natural monopolies. You should be familiar with the concept of barriers to entry. I don't know or care about Soros, because Google, Youtube, Twitter, Cloudflare etc are the major actors here. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:50:41 AM EST
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How long does AR15.com have left? Seriously? Given this environment, a non-PC, Pro-2A website does not a chance. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:52:39 AM EST
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I give it by December. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long does AR15.com have left? Seriously? Given this environment, a non-PC, Pro-2A website does not a chance. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:55:40 AM EST
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dupe
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:57:05 AM EST
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The Feds just got a subpoena to get all the info on people who visited some anti trump website. Is "oh arfcom is shut down" in the same league as as "oh the FBI has my email and IP address" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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of course it is selective. It is outrageously hypocritical for them to shut up the Nazis while carrying water for Communists. But here it is... |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:58:18 AM EST
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Wasn't long ago the left was trying to take Rush off the air. And change election rules that would silence the NRA....Citizens United
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:59:02 AM EST
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what does any of that have to do with what I posted? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:03:37 AM EST
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Commies got shut down too last week Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what does any of that have to do with what I posted? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:06:12 AM EST
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When they shut down BLM and antifa, then I'll care.  Did you have a sroke? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:08:03 AM EST
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If hypocrisy could be made to burn ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"DU got hacked, ha ha good riddance!" "Stormfront got shut down by their service provider, it's an outrage" |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:12:05 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:13:28 AM EST
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:21:47 AM EST
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I thought Jews were considered white? I'm not being a dick, seriously I thought this was all about skin color? Did you know the Jews ran Sebastian Gorka out of the White House, by the way? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:28:34 AM EST
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I thought Jews were considered white? I'm not being a dick, seriously I thought this was all about skin color? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"White rights group" well not white Jews of course... 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:42:32 AM EST
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Wasn't long ago the left was trying to take Rush off the air. And change election rules that would silence the NRA....Citizens United |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:45:22 AM EST
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You'll eventually see jihadists as another excuse for increasing restriction to the Internet as a lot of recruiting videos are obviously on the net. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:48:52 AM EST
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Where is the ACLU of yesterday when you need them?
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:49:20 AM EST
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Yep. People are fucking idiots. The shit is coming. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:51:53 AM EST
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:51:56 AM EST
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OK. One more time for people who couldn't sit through the whole 4 minutes of a School House Rock animated short... The 1st Amendment prevents the government from abridging your right to free speech. There is no comparable protection in the private sector. A business can shut you down for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:52:11 AM EST
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Do you think those here defending Stormfront's right to exist online, would do the same for DU? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:59:41 AM EST
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I feel the same way about both sites to be honest. I loathe them and on a personal level would not care if either or both lost their ability to spew their putrid ideas on the web so long as it stopped there. My concern lies with the incremental nature in which this tactic will increase as time goes on if left unchecked. Had you read the article linked here earlier you would see that their excuse for kill The Daily Stormer wasn't because they were a bunch on neo nazis. It was because they said mean things about the domestic terrorist who got hit by a car. Lots of mean nasty things have been posted about her here and elsewhere so who's next? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:07:40 AM EST
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Doubt it. I was thinking that if Hillary got elected, we might need a background check for optics, so I've got plenty of "Monday" in me, but I'm not worried about arfcom getting shut down. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:07:47 AM EST
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LOL This. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1st amendment doesn't set well with some folks around here, unless they agree with you. This'll be good. . But it's been seriously interesting to see who takes what position.
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