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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:30:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehhh, my Mod 2 CQB won't reliably cycle most steel case stuff unsuppressed. In the words of Gunthots, "just drill the hole smaller, dummy". |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:35:27 PM EDT
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For all those people saying that what CAG shoots doesnt or shouldnt inform civilian decisions...
I don't shoot underpowered steel cased ammo and neither does CAG... I do shoot under nods with a suppressor and prefer to not have the autogating on my tubes kick in with every shot... guess what, neither does CAG... I think that a lot of people on this board would find that a lot of the downrange considerations of CAG guns align with the considerations that they put into their own purchase decisions. Not saying that it applies to every person who owns an AR, but if you shoot more than the average AR owner, with a higher standard of accuracy for yourself, and demand a higher level of reliability, then I think it would be foolish to ignore what CAG looks at. You don't necessarily have to agree with the choice that CAG makes, but I think its at least important to understand the reasoning behind what they choose. Frankly, they could shoot anything out there, and they would shoot something else if the assaulters felt it gave them more performance. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:39:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually still have one of the original legacy SR15s with the smaller gas port, if I recall at some point everyone complained at them so much they opened it up.  Its sad. I never got to shoot one of the original intermediate gas SR15s, but I always heard they were dreamy. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:43:53 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd shoot one. Chinese no? Yeah, it's the QBZ-191. I figured since General Miley is talking to them about potential troop movements he might get us in on that sweetie pie too. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:48:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: G should immediately stop selling RBCG bolts to civilians. That way I can sell my bolt for $700 while everyone cheers on how awesome and rare it is  I thought that was nuts but the guy happily paid it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 7:14:14 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all those people saying that what CAG shoots doesnt or shouldnt inform civilian decisions... I don't shoot underpowered steel cased ammo and neither does CAG... I do shoot under nods with a suppressor and prefer to not have the autogating on my tubes kick in with every shot... guess what, neither does CAG... I think that a lot of people on this board would find that a lot of the downrange considerations of CAG guns align with the considerations that they put into their own purchase decisions. Not saying that it applies to every person who owns an AR, but if you shoot more than the average AR owner, with a higher standard of accuracy for yourself, and demand a higher level of reliability, then I think it would be foolish to ignore what CAG looks at. You don't necessarily have to agree with the choice that CAG makes, but I think its at least important to understand the reasoning behind what they choose. Frankly, they could shoot anything out there, and they would shoot something else if the assaulters felt it gave them more performance. Well said. That goes with all JSOC units. They get the best that is available for their needs. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 7:18:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Not a Joglee thread.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 7:34:19 PM EDT
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MP7 chambered in .50 Beowolf
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Posted: 10/15/2021 7:35:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Delta does operations in extremis, far away from logistics. Lol |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 7:39:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. whispers of a nameless rifle https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/power_jpg-2131194.JPG Edit: Oh it has a name now... Cool.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/fb4b9452-207f-440f-9698-9c3e224e3adb_jpe-2131200.JPG Ok, I'm probably the only one that doesn't recognize this rifle. The hand guard and anodizing looks like Geissele. Can some one let me know who built this rifle. IM me if you don't want to divulge the info in this thread. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: G had some issues with one of their rail systems. I believe it’s been addressed by a design change. Ugh, you hate to hear it. All my carbines have G rails... |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ugh, you hate to hear it. All my carbines have G rails... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: G had some issues with one of their rail systems. I believe it’s been addressed by a design change. Ugh, you hate to hear it. All my carbines have G rails... They are good to go. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I'm probably the only one that doesn't recognize this rifle. The hand guard and anodizing looks like Geissele. Can some one let me know who built this rifle. IM me if you don't want to divulge the info in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly. whispers of a nameless rifle https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/power_jpg-2131194.JPG Edit: Oh it has a name now... Cool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/fb4b9452-207f-440f-9698-9c3e224e3adb_jpe-2131200.JPG Ok, I'm probably the only one that doesn't recognize this rifle. The hand guard and anodizing looks like Geissele. Can some one let me know who built this rifle. IM me if you don't want to divulge the info in this thread. It looks to be the rifle that this thread is about. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are good to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: G had some issues with one of their rail systems. I believe it’s been addressed by a design change. Ugh, you hate to hear it. All my carbines have G rails... They are good to go. Nope, send them to me for destruction. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:23:50 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t mock CAG/Deltas choices. Across any given timeframe, you could pretty much endlessly mock GD’s understanding of those choices or their applicability to different contexts.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. I have never used a KAC gun that shot well suppressed , sample size of three. Those guns need an adjustable gas block IMO. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks to be the rifle that this thread is about. Thanks Captain Obvious. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually still have one of the original legacy SR15s with the smaller gas port, if I recall at some point everyone complained at them so much they opened it up. Exactly what happened. I was pretty bummed when I realized after the fact. Regardless, the SR25 should definitely be less gassy than the ACC I had, bigger port or not. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Captain Obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It looks to be the rifle that this thread is about. Thanks Captain Obvious. Well, what do you mean by "who built it" then? |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe I read a post from Trey Knight saying exactly that. Its sad. I never got to shoot one of the original intermediate gas SR15s, but I always heard they were dreamy. I didnt even shoot mine until I installed my in-the-white 3t, to this day I still have not been able to get another AR to feel that smooth. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, what do you mean by "who built it" then? As I said earlier, who is the manufacturer? What company, what are the features? Is there any data that can be shared without creating a problem? |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:37:06 PM EDT
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Did op ever tell us or is this thread gonna be a gay ass guessing game the entire fucking time
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is Bill? Bill Shatner. just went to space on a Musk rocket. try and keep up, bud |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit? Thanks for the heads up, but my question still stands. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We"re on a gun forum. No shit? Thanks for the heads up, but my question still stands. I know your point is that what secret squirrel groups do shouldn't have an impact on most people's selection because 99.9% of the people out there will not see any appreciable difference as they just don't use the weapon as hard, but stuff like this is interesting and it gives people piece of mind to know that if Delta or whoever approves, then they know it's quality equipment they can rely on. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:49:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: As I said earlier, who is the manufacturer? What company, what are the features? Is there any data that can be shared without creating a problem? Quoted: Did op ever tell us or is this thread gonna be a gay ass guessing game the entire fucking time Top of page 3 since you guys can't seem to read the thread. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehhh, my Mod 2 CQB won’t reliably cycle most steel case stuff unsuppressed. Recently I bought one as well and it’s shocking how lazy the ejection is with brass 223. I Really need to get out and try some full powered 556. I’ve heard other say that they are “overgassed” but that hasn’t been my experience with my 11.5 so far. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 8:59:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Recently I bought one as well and it’s shocking how lazy the ejection is with brass 223. I Really need to get out and try some full powered 556. I’ve heard other say that they are “overgassed” but that hasn’t been my experience with my 11.5 so far. Mine flings brass to the next zip code when suppressed |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:02:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Recently I bought one as well and it’s shocking how lazy the ejection is with brass 223. I Really need to get out and try some full powered 556. I’ve heard other say that they are “overgassed” but that hasn’t been my experience with my 11.5 so far. Can is going to play a huge role in that. That being said, people complaining about oversized ports on Mod 2 must be a recent thing. I someways remember them being right on the money with their gassing, although I could see them having opened them up because people whining about their cheap shitty ammo having cycling issues. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:38:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:41:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Recently I bought one as well and it’s shocking how lazy the ejection is with brass 223. I Really need to get out and try some full powered 556. I’ve heard other say that they are “overgassed” but that hasn’t been my experience with my 11.5 so far. Get a KAC adjustable gas system on a Form 4. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:45:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MCXs are fucking great rifles, and given everyone's propensity for adopting Sigs as of late, I wouldn't be surprised to see their more widespread use. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two well put together simple DI guns that aren't over heavy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/fb4b9452-207f-440f-9698-9c3e224e3adb_jpe-2131200.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184365/2053D17E-09C3-433E-9964-0A55D68FE001-2130984.jpg Sexy. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two well put together simple DI guns that aren't over heavy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/fb4b9452-207f-440f-9698-9c3e224e3adb_jpe-2131200.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184365/2053D17E-09C3-433E-9964-0A55D68FE001-2130984.jpg I recall reading in the devgru thread that the 556 barrel has a .081 gas port. I wonder why they’d pick that blown out port for a suppressed rifle. They sure look good though. |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:52:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall reading in the devgru thread that the 556 barrel has a .081 gas port. I wonder why they’d pick that blown out port for a suppressed rifle. They sure look good though. That doesn’t make much sense, that’s an absolutely massive gas port. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 2:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any idea which rail is used? Mk4? Mk8? or the newer slimmer stuff? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10.3" Geissele is what the rumor is. AFSOC is liking them too. Can I get a time out now? ETA... I'm sure it will be a while for them to be delivered, sometime after Black Friday is my guess... Any idea which rail is used? Mk4? Mk8? or the newer slimmer stuff? Likely the mk16 |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 2:49:18 AM EDT
[#36]
They already have sigs. Have had them for awhile. Specifically purchased for an alternate caliber. I know a guy who worked on the purchase right before he retired.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 2:59:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They already have sigs. Have had them for awhile. Specifically purchased for an alternate caliber. I know a guy who worked on the purchase right before he retired. Yeah, they have the LVAW in .300 black. That isn't the "standard issue" carbine though. It wasn't a replacement for the 416 like this is. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 3:57:15 AM EDT
[#38]
I have a hard time believing they went with a 10.3
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Posted: 10/16/2021 4:37:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a hard time believing they went with a 10.3 Why? They have been using a 10.4 HK416 since 2005. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 4:43:06 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hesse or Del-ton. Just as good. Isn't Model1 sales around anymore? |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 4:48:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2021 5:35:30 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude. You just blew my mind. I have no idea why that's such an epiphany to me, but it totally changes my way of thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Take a look at race cars. They're wicked fast and handle as if on rails. Tires only last 200 miles and engines only 500 miles. "The very best" is different if you're staging one-day assaults and have a large logistics train or if -- as the meme says -- "no one is coming to help you". Dude. You just blew my mind. I have no idea why that's such an epiphany to me, but it totally changes my way of thinking. This is why my HD carbine wears an Aimpoint instead of an EOTech; EOTech is a great optic for kicking in doors (or playing with nods), but when you don't know when shits kicking off the battery life/always on of the Aimpoints make them the winner. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 9:05:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why my HD carbine wears an Aimpoint instead of an EOTech; EOTech is a great optic for kicking in doors (or playing with nods), but when you don't know when shits kicking off the battery life/always on of the Aimpoints make them the winner. Mission dictates gear. If you pick the time and place, EOTech all day. If the time and place picks you, aimpoint or Romeo 4T |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 11:47:01 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mission dictates gear. If you pick the time and place, EOTech all day. If the time and place picks you, aimpoint or Romeo 4T funny you say that. I was reading through former Devgru Justin Sheffield's book, Mob VI, and he mentions changing out his batteries on his laser, optic, nods, etc. prior to (what seems like) every mission. I'm sure their support train enables them to run just about anything, if it breaks... replace. I saw a post from former DG Slade on instagram where they are sighting in spare guns (HK416s). Picking what works for them may be an indicator of a hard use rifle, but everything that goes along with the upkeep is not going to be easy for us. It's the sole reason I got rid of my HK416 clone. Yeah I'll never run it as hard and nothing will probably ever break on it but why take that chance? |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 11:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Cuz GD says 11.5 is best, dammit 
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:06:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finally, the Stoner 63 is back! Should never have left. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DPMS and Bushmaster mash-ups from CDNN? Kharn I got a Remington/ Bushmaster mashup from CDNN and it’s great! |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:21:08 PM EDT
[#48]
CAG: “ Have Bill call me”
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:33:24 PM EDT
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Source of strong rumors?
This is great for all the G black oxide haters. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:38:14 PM EDT
[#50]
It’s awesome. I hope G makes a mint and that leads to more innovation.
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