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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:39:33 PM EST
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Government providing free education for everyone will not make our population any more educated than it is, and will more than likely have the opposite effect while also putting us more in debt and furthering the socialist agenda. 
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Education is a right? Exactly. 
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right.  If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Government providing free education for everyone will not make our population any more educated than it is, and will more than likely have the opposite effect while also putting us more in debt and furthering the socialist agenda.
No thank you. They are already doing it, what is difficult to understand. They already have spent over a TRILLION on student loans, most of that will never be paid back. Why would someone get a job and have 50% of their income garnished for the next 10 years when they can just stay unemployed or work under the table. All this would do is divert those costs to cheaper education on a local level. I wold rather people get a decent education for free, unburdening them to become an economic factor than be a perpetual drain on society. In the long run, its a MUCH better investment then anything we currently have. It is also politically viable since we aren't going to get gov out of education. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:43:49 PM EST
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It's also ignoring basic understanding of human nature to believe that if you give someone something for free that they will take care of it. If you give it to everyone as a right you dilute its effectiveness and its value. It will just turn into high school part two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. It's also ignoring basic understanding of human nature to believe that if you give someone something for free that they will take care of it. If you give it to everyone as a right you dilute its effectiveness and its value. It will just turn into high school part two. So whats the alternative? We live in the real world not a Ron Paul fantasy land. Public school is "free", the same way this would be free. The taxpayers are already paying for it. Are you saying the public schools do not produce doctors, lawyers, engineers, leaders,ect? MOST successful people still come from public schools. Let the cream rise to the top. Worst case the taxpayer is out a year or 2 of local public college that would be less than the EIC or tax rebate they get for not even working. We already make college available to everyone who can breath. Its already been diluted. All this does is take the money away from the private companies and bring the costs back down to reality. There is more to it, but its actually doable. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:44:32 PM EST
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We should just make everything free. and pay everyone 100K a year. Why stop there we should all be millionaires. Hell i m a trillionaire in Zimbabwe |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:47:30 PM EST
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Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. So what is the alternative? Let them sit on their asses for the next 50 years collecting SS / Welfare while never producing 1 cent of taxable income? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR ALL OF THIS. The difference is, the costs would be going to something that actually has a chance to have a return on investment. Do the same thing with trade schools. The chance of gov getting out of education is about as likely as them repealing the income tax. While all these lofty nobles ideas are just that, we live in the real world. The best you can do is try to make it a little better to counter the fuckers who are trying to make it a little worse. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:54:30 PM EST
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I swear the membership has gone to shit since Obama took office.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:00:01 PM EST
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"Free" college education
1. Isn't free 2. Doesn't lead to a more educated population, it leads to a watered down and less valuable college education for everyone (hey, let's extend high school to 8 years, and raise taxes to pay for it) If you can't afford a college education, don't go. Do something else. Learn a trade, join the military. Be a goatherder in Venezuela. Just don't make me pay the bill. Opportunities are out there. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:16:41 PM EST
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Government providing free education for everyone will not make our population any more educated than it is, and will more than likely have the opposite effect while also putting us more in debt and furthering the socialist agenda.
No thank you. So: K - 12 government education.... learning. College - Postgrad.... nothing. lol |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:16:48 PM EST
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So what is the alternative? Let them sit on their asses for the next 50 years collecting SS / Welfare while never producing 1 cent of taxable income? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR ALL OF THIS. The difference is, the costs would be going to something that actually has a chance to have a return on investment. Do the same thing with trade schools. The chance of gov getting out of education is about as likely as them repealing the income tax. While all these lofty nobles ideas are just that, we live in the real world. The best you can do is try to make it a little better to counter the fuckers who are trying to make it a little worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. So what is the alternative? Let them sit on their asses for the next 50 years collecting SS / Welfare while never producing 1 cent of taxable income? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR ALL OF THIS. The difference is, the costs would be going to something that actually has a chance to have a return on investment. Do the same thing with trade schools. The chance of gov getting out of education is about as likely as them repealing the income tax. While all these lofty nobles ideas are just that, we live in the real world. The best you can do is try to make it a little better to counter the fuckers who are trying to make it a little worse. So you would be ok with your taxes going up 20 to 30 percent to pay for this? No one is saying they should sit on their asses. The progressive movement, which seems like something you subscribe to, has taught our kids that it's the government responsibility to take care them. Why don't they take care of themselves and make their own way in life? If you can't afford to go to college then you learn a trade or get the jobs you can and live within your means. I have 2 girls, ages 22 and 20. Neither one have degrees. One works in customer service and makes like 13.50 and the other in banking and makes about the same but has a good chance at another job making 15.00. Not bad money for starting out. Are they going to be rich? Not yet, but if they work hard like I taught them they will eventually make a decent living. Stop expecting the fucking government to give our kids things, make them work for it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:19:19 PM EST
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Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Education is a right? Exactly.
Forcing someone to work for another's benefit is a right. If I'm "less fortunate" than you, then I have a right to your efforts. You don't get any rights since you are "more fortunate."
Things aren't looking good. We've definitely reached critical dumb mass. No its not a right. But its shortsighted and ignorant to see that an uneducated population is going to be a factor in the downfall of the country while other countries gain ground. Where did I suggest that an uneducated population is a good thing? By uneducated, I mean those lacking in things such as critical thinking, basic arithmetic and grammar skills. Many of the "educated" people we see in the protest pics are lacking such skills. Anyone who thinks that the best and only avenue to educate people is through govt. redistribution schemes qualifies as being shortsighted and ignorant. Education IS a right. Which is why the government, free of charge, teaches all children how to read and write, then offers them free access to all the collective knowledge of mankind... And no one goes there. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:25:59 PM EST
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I've got a better idea, do away with .gov involvement, make the universities tote the note with no guarantees but the contract. Watch the stupid useless commie degree programs disappear and tuition rates collapse. Yep, that should do it.
Oh, and while we are at it actually teach some useful skills in high school. Like trade programs, etc. University degrees in most anything non technical are worthless anyway. Yep, that should do it. ETA: Our higher education system has turned into nothing more than a .gov funds harvesting program, a racket, a sham ...its crooked and a perfect example of cronyism and just absolute crooked behaviour. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:10:11 PM EST
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So you would be ok with your taxes going up 20 to 30 percent to pay for this? No one is saying they should sit on their asses. The progressive movement, which seems like something you subscribe to, has taught our kids that it's the government responsibility to take care them. Why don't they take care of themselves and make their own way in life? If you can't afford to go to college then you learn a trade or get the jobs you can and live within your means. I have 2 girls, ages 22 and 20. Neither one have degrees. One works in customer service and makes like 13.50 and the other in banking and makes about the same but has a good chance at another job making 15.00. Not bad money for starting out. Are they going to be rich? Not yet, but if they work hard like I taught them they will eventually make a decent living. Stop expecting the fucking government to give our kids things, make them work for it. They would go up very little. What part of you are already paying for this do you not understand? Where do you think the Loan money comes from? When the Majority of people aren't paying the student loans back after they graduate, what do you think the Treasury revenue looks like? All this does is take the money out of the private lenders pockets and reduces the massive overcost of education. Schools will have to lower their costs because the "gov rate" would be much lower. Community college prices vs 4 year university prices (and all the fees and bullshit that goes along). It is not progressive at all. Progressive BS and Crony Capitalism got us into the mess we are in now. Believe it or not, modern societies have social programs. They cost real money. Shit like Defense, police, fire, school, roads, regulatory bodies cost money. Education is a public expense in every modern country. It has nothing to do with taking care of people. It has to do with educating them and given them the tools to succeed. That way they go out there and become productive members and taxpayers who contribute. Very few people can pay their way through college, its just too expensive. Very few people can walk into trades jobs making decent wages. Jobs are hard enough to find as is IF you have a marketable and demand skills. People have no idea how bad the economy and status of the workforce really is in this country. If it wasn't for the Oil & Gas boom over the last 7-8 years, it would feel like 1933 around here. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:13:49 PM EST
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I'm sure it's been said in 6 pages of GD...but surely these people would have to know that even shitty public school isn't free........right?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:17:17 PM EST
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I paid mine of about 8 years ago. If they get this, do I get a backdated check for mine? No. You're a putz for playing by the 1%'er rules. Too bad, corporate lackey. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:23:49 PM EST
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They would go up very little. What part of you are already paying for this do you not understand? You say taxes would go up very little because we're "already paying for it." How do you explain the $18.4 trillion national debt and the $95 trillion in unfunded liabilities? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:26:35 PM EST
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There are days that I feel like a real sucker for not going to college. At the time, I reasoned that I couldn't afford it (and I couldn't).
It never occurred to me to just roll the dice, and bank on getting a shit ton of debt forgiven. I guess I'm the asshole.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:33:15 PM EST
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Listening to inexperienced college kids and fast food workers is definetly the best way to run a business, create national economic policy, and rid the world of evil.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:33:26 PM EST
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You say taxes would go up very little because we're "already paying for it." How do you explain the $18.4 trillion national debt and the $95 trillion in unfunded liabilities? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They would go up very little. What part of you are already paying for this do you not understand? You say taxes would go up very little because we're "already paying for it." How do you explain the $18.4 trillion national debt and the $95 trillion in unfunded liabilities? What does the cost of education via gov have to do with the total we spend in debt? Or unfunds? You act like we will wake up one day and just stop funding massive gov programs.... Dream on Dreamweaver. The net cost difference would not be all that much. The difference is we would get some economic benefits from it. Like people who pay taxes instead of collecting welfare. Better to pay to send people to school then pay for them to sit on their ass and consume resources for the next 50 years. At least once avenue has a chance of breaking the cycle. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:34:48 PM EST
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Damn commies are at it again.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:35:37 PM EST
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When student loans became "cheap" is when the education system started a downward spiral. Once colleges knew a student could secure a 100K loan that's when college costs started escalating.
F' it. I never went to college and now I do so I need a free ride AND money to pay my mortgage AND money to support my family AND some spending money. After all, education is a right, right ? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:37:54 PM EST
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Listening to inexperienced college kids and fast food workers is definetly the best way to run a business, create national economic policy, and rid the world of evil. Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:39:57 PM EST
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So whats the alternative? We live in the real world not a Ron Paul fantasy land. Public school is "free", the same way this would be free. The taxpayers are already paying for it. Are you saying the public schools do not produce doctors, lawyers, engineers, leaders,ect? MOST successful people still come from public schools. Let the cream rise to the top. Worst case the taxpayer is out a year or 2 of local public college that would be less than the EIC or tax rebate they get for not even working. We already make college available to everyone who can breath. Its already been diluted. All this does is take the money away from the private companies and bring the costs back down to reality. There is more to it, but its actually doable. US public schools produce an 80 graduation rate with 20-40 percent (depending on the source) of those that do go to college requiring remedial courses. And let's not look at the education rankings compared to the rest of the world which are always abysmal. But yes, the US public school system does pass people who will be doctors, lawyers, etc. despite the education they receive in high school. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:40:37 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:42:21 PM EST
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So no more bullshit degrees. Only hard ones with a future of earning and paying taxes.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:43:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Listening to inexperienced college kids and fast food workers is definetly the best way to run a business, create national economic policy, and rid the world of evil. Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. So giving them more power by taking over higher education will solve these problems? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:46:01 PM EST
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So giving them more power by taking over higher education will solve these problems?
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Listening to inexperienced college kids and fast food workers is definetly the best way to run a business, create national economic policy, and rid the world of evil. Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. So giving them more power by taking over higher education will solve these problems?
They already have the power... where do you think the money is coming from? The Gov determines who can go and who can't. Ever heard of FAFSA? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:48:25 PM EST
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Education is a right? Your money is a right of theirs. And screw it, the world needs ditch diggers too. Digging ditches is a good motivator to learn a trade or go to college. I spent time as a shovel operator. I shoveled coal that fell off the conveyor back onto the conveyor belt. Fuck these people. This country is lost. I'd show up to class reeking of jet fuel with oil stains on my clothes. I couldn't stand the entitled kids who never held a job. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:49:20 PM EST
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Free college and $15 minimum wage?
Fine. Let the gov't pay for their college...as long as they commit to working for the gov't for 5 years after they graduate, making $15 an hour. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:57:27 PM EST
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 5:02:31 PM EST
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Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too.
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These ass hats can piss up a rope. If you can't afford college, don't go. If you go, get a degree that is usable in this economy. Personally, I've advised both my kids to not go to college. My oldest prefers working two jobs and is making bank! Youngest is graduating HS early next year and has no desire to go to school. I'm not pushing it either. If either decides later to go, their decision, their dime. Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 5:37:43 PM EST
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Around here there are a plenty of jobs available to people who can read, write and speak English at a professional level, pass a drug test, show up to work on time, and actually work while they are there.
I work in IT. Just about anyone who feels like applying themselves a bit could get a decent job with air conditioning and a comfortable chair in a cubicle without much effort. You won't even have to get your hands dirty. Here's how you do it: 1) Pick any one of the Microsoft MCSE certifications or whatever other leading industry certification floats your boat. Follow the recommended course of study (often available online), pass the certification exams. 2) Create yourself a LinkedIn profile that advertises the fact that you're now certified in _____. Connect with people. Watch the recruiters crawl out of the woodwork and do the job-hunting for you. If you're feeling particularly pro-active at this stage, you could even browse around LinkedIn yourself and find some suitable jobs to apply for. 3) ??? 4) PROFIT! |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 5:48:17 PM EST
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. I would not disagree. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 5:48:27 PM EST
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Free college and $15 minimum wage? Fine. Let the gov't pay for their college...as long as they commit to working for the gov't for 5 years after they graduate, making $15 an hour. Because we want more idiots in the .gov? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 5:51:34 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2015 6:03:02 PM EST
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. I would not disagree. I do disagree. Given the ridiculous failure and dropout rate for college students in the first couple of years, making them an extension of high school (which already has horrendous dropout rates in some places) is just useless expense. The people this is drained to "help" simply won't benefit from more time in a classroom, so the lofty goal of "makin our society more educated" is bunk. Motivated students aren't the problem. They work their way through school and generally do fine with things the way they are. The problem is the FSA turds who don't belong there in the first place. My tax dollars shouldn't fund adult day care for millenials to "study" Russian Literature or Sociology. Even in the best case, those people will continue to be a drain on productive folks- the sooner you cut them off the better. You want government funded trade schools for non academics? That I might be able to get behind. There is a genuine need for skilled workers... Much more so than for say, English majors. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 6:08:31 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2015 6:32:00 PM EST
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Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Listening to inexperienced college kids and fast food workers is definetly the best way to run a business, create national economic policy, and rid the world of evil. Instead we should listen to CEO's like walmart that have welfare down to a science, or GM's management team that ran a company into the ground or Leman Bro's who thought collateralized debt was a swell idea. Or the "economic" experts who decided that the gov should privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Its a huge conflict of interest. The people making policy and in power sure as hell don't have either the nation or it's peoples best interest in mind when they create cash funnels to their buddies at everyone else's expense. I think I just heard the doorbell at your house, your Amazon coloring books must have arrived. Seriously, you should change your name to flaming_strawman Or arguesonpointsnobodyistalkingabout |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 6:35:42 PM EST
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A few ways to reduce costs to make colleges more affordable, as well as improve academics:
1) no more high-end dormitories. Building dorms that put 5-star hotels to shame is a waste of money. Does a dorm REALLY need a rooftop jaccuzzi and swimming pool? 2) require professors to ACTUALLY TEACH. I took classes where I knew more about the topic than the grad student who was "teaching" the course for the prof. 3) require students to take basic required courses for one year before declaring a major -then make them research the employment percentages for the degree programs they choose. Require them to be aware of whether or not there are jobs available in that field. 4) Athletics should be de-emphasized. Minimum enrollment standards should apply to all students equally. 5)eliminate financial aid for students who are not US citizens. Either private grants (not university-sponsored or administered), private loans, or out-of-pocket for them. 6) eliminate concierge services for students. The simple fact is that too many students are choosing schools NOT based on academic reputation, but rather on amenities and lifestyle. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 6:37:24 PM EST
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Keep on spending.
At this point fuck it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:40:56 PM EST
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We should just make everything free. and pay everyone 100K a year. just a fair living wage, duh. /s |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:42:30 PM EST
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Fuck it. Print more money, give them as much as they want. One condition though - they must be sterilized. I'm in ! |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:46:49 PM EST
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JFC, there are actually people on this board in favor of this.
Half the people that are paying for college with student loans don't show up to class, I can't imagine the worthless shit that would go on if it was a free ride for all. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:48:38 PM EST
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The ignorant masses already receive 13 years of free education and they still turn out to be mindless morons. Another two years of spoon feed liberal bullshit will not change that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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College, Military or Trade schools. The gov is already pretty much subsidizing higher education. Make community colleges free and help educate our population. It's one of the few things I don't mind my tax dollars going to. Better than social security or Medicaid. It's an investment in our future. The ignorant masses already receive 13 years of free education and they still turn out to be mindless morons. Another two years of spoon feed liberal bullshit will not change that. AMEN! |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:49:13 PM EST
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JFC, there are actually people on this board in favor of this.
Half the people that are paying for college with student loans don't show up to class, I can't imagine the worthless shit that would go on if it was a free ride for all. Come on man, all we need is the government to run everything and Primus_Pilus says we'll only pay $100 per credit hour yet somehow everyone is going to get an awesome education.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:51:40 PM EST
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Our kids are getting dumber and dumber by the minute,we are seeing the results of narcissistic,over-emotional spoiled brats ruined with technology.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 7:52:54 PM EST
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What will happen to the salaries and retirement plans of all these liberal college professors when education is free?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:17:19 PM EST
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so I can plan of paying more in taxes that will go to schools - great I really look forward to supporting even more people.
I got my Personal Property Tax Bill the other day and they show a break down of how much goes to what of the $ 700+ in Personal Property Taxes $500+ goes to Schools. Can not wait to see my other Property Tax Bill for my house. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:17:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few ways to reduce costs to make colleges more affordable, as well as improve academics: 1) no more high-end dormitories. Building dorms that put 5-star hotels to shame is a waste of money. Does a dorm REALLY need a rooftop jaccuzzi and swimming pool? 2) require professors to ACTUALLY TEACH. I took classes where I knew more about the topic than the grad student who was "teaching" the course for the prof. 3) require students to take basic required courses for one year before declaring a major -then make them research the employment percentages for the degree programs they choose. Require them to be aware of whether or not there are jobs available in that field. 4) Athletics should be de-emphasized. Minimum enrollment standards should apply to all students equally. 5)eliminate financial aid for students who are not US citizens. Either private grants (not university-sponsored or administered), private loans, or out-of-pocket for them. 6) eliminate concierge services for students. The simple fact is that too many students are choosing schools NOT based on academic reputation, but rather on amenities and lifestyle. At best that means hiring more professors for jobs grad students can do at a much lower opportunity cost, and at worst that will make professors jump ship from universities to think tanks and firms engaged in private research. Football and basketball are cash cows. Downplaying them will cost serious money. Without foreign students getting teaching and research appointments, who the hell is going to sign up for PhD programs to be the next generation of researchers? It sure as hell won't be Americans, unless you are talking about Racial studies/LGBTWTFBBQ/other pointless stupid shit departments. ETA: I almost forgot to mention that collage is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. It is the home base from which communists, stoners, drunkards, hippies, fornicators and sodomites reach out to pervert our society. No sane Christian man would EVER send their child to collage. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:17:56 PM EST
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Education IS a right. Which is why the government, free of charge, teaches all children how to read and write, then offers them free access to all the collective knowledge of mankind... And no one goes there. http://i.imgur.com/EhH9Dwp.png You're either trolling or don't understand what "rights" are. Decreeing something a right doesn't make it so. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:21:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThe hell is yellow peril? |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:23:08 PM EST
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Around here there are a plenty of jobs available to people who can read, write and speak English at a professional level, pass a drug test, show up to work on time, and actually work while they are there. I work in IT. Just about anyone who feels like applying themselves a bit could get a decent job with air conditioning and a comfortable chair in a cubicle without much effort. You won't even have to get your hands dirty. Here's how you do it: 1) Pick any one of the Microsoft MCSE certifications or whatever other leading industry certification floats your boat. Follow the recommended course of study (often available online), pass the certification exams. 2) Create yourself a LinkedIn profile that advertises the fact that you're now certified in _____. Connect with people. Watch the recruiters crawl out of the woodwork and do the job-hunting for you. If you're feeling particularly pro-active at this stage, you could even browse around LinkedIn yourself and find some suitable jobs to apply for. 3) ??? 4) PROFIT! Sorry H1B Muhammed works for 1/3 what you would require and all we have to do is teach him not to put his feet on the toilet when he takes a shit. |
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