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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:26:21 AM EDT
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Neck and face tattoos always, always equal guilty. The cop could have stood out of spitting distance, but I ain't mad at him.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:36:38 AM EDT
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Searched for dupe...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1clsPeXT9Io
Newly released body camera footage shows Denver Police Corporal Michael Oestmann punching and knocking out a handcuffed suspect after he taunted Oestmann for minutes while sitting in the chair and then spitting at his feet. Cpl. Michael Oestmann reached a plea deal last week with the Denver District Attorney's Office that will allow him to wipe his guilty plea to a misdemeanor menacing charge from his record in a year if he follows court orders. He will serve no jail time. Investigative documents obtained show Oestmann was working off duty at a downtown bar on April 14. Oestmann detained a suspect, identified in court papers as Kevin Watson, involved in an assault inside the bar. The man was seated in a chair with his hands handcuffed behind his back, according to a probable cause statement. The statement reads, "For about ten minutes (the suspect) berated and insulted Cpl. Oestman until the point (suspect) spit upon Oestman, striking him in the face with saliva. Cpl. Oestman responded by kneeing (the suspect) in the chest, and punching him in the face, knocking him unconscious." The suspect was transported to Denver Health Medical Center and treated for cuts to his face. Edit - If you haven't checked out that Youtube Channel Police Activity, it's an amazing treasure trove of body/dashcams.  Bodycam Captures Intense Police Shootout in San Diego, California |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:38:25 AM EDT
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No idea what use of force rules are in that situation, but good hit.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:44:25 AM EDT
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That's quite a few more empty kegs than police stations usually have. Either that, or they were at a night club, where they detained the shit bag. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:54:35 AM EDT
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What’s deserved and what’s allowed don’t always intersect. That beating may have been worth the hassle for that cop.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:54:38 AM EDT
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That's what I'm saying. The CCTV video was out months ago. Was he acting under the color of law or in some sort of official capacity. Take the cuffs and badge off and it's just mutual combat as far as I'm concerned. I wasn't trying to be edgy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The guy was cuffed. If the cop would have put his gun and badge up, uncuffed the asshole then beat the shit out of the guy then that's cool with me Investigative documents obtained show Oestmann was working off duty at a downtown bar on April 14. ETA: WTF??? Per video below he is in uniform, so which is it? |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 4:56:48 AM EDT
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I completely understand the cops position.
He should never be a cop again. Txl |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:09:10 AM EDT
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Anyone who s-it’s gets made uncomfortable if I’m around. I’d rather be punched in the face.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:21:38 AM EDT
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I completely understand the cops position. He should never be a cop again. Txl But as long as I can remember, someone spitting on you was a strikeable offense. From childhood, to junior high, high school and beyond, if you spit on a guy you better be prepared to get your ass kicked. It's been one of the unspoken rules of male behavior as long as I can remember. Of course, cops are held to a higher standard and a knee to the head followed by an uppercut against a handcuffed drunk may have been a little much. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:25:28 AM EDT
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Neck and face tattoos always, always equal guilty. The cop could have stood out of spitting distance, but I ain't mad at him. But the neck and face tats just scream "Do not hire me!" |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:39:04 AM EDT
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We being non professional LEOs can say what we want about this.
I want to hear from the Law enforcement community. Being a professional LEO and trained in these types of situations. I'm sure some of you have been spit at before, maybe many times by these idiots. Was this the right thing to do as an officer of the law. To strike a handcuffed person. I know you've probably felt like it many times and they probably deserved it. But as an officer you are trained to have restraint and not be thin skinned. Even though we may like what he did. I'm betting alot of officers would agree it was wrong and that officer lacks restraint. He Will be watched by his superiors from here on out. He might end up being a liability for the dept. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:54:09 AM EDT
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True, though it seems like he got off pretty lightly all things considered. No jail time and record wiped if he behaves himself. Assuming he doesn't get sued by the POS, that's probably about as good as you can hope for these days. That said, shitbird got what he deserved |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 5:55:35 AM EDT
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You can't sock handcuffed prisoners? A cop around here socked some guy who was shit talking him during booking. There are cameras everywhere. The other cops cuffed him and charged him. It ain't 1975 |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:00:36 AM EDT
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Guy got what he deserved. The handcuffed part makes it not so good.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:05:34 AM EDT
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Good hit
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:06:37 AM EDT
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Guy got what he deserved. The handcuffed part makes it not so good. 
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:09:08 AM EDT
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You can't sock handcuffed prisoners? A cop around here socked some guy who was shit talking him during booking. There are cameras everywhere. The other cops cuffed him and charged him. It ain't 1975 |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:14:47 AM EDT
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We being non professional LEOs can say what we want about this. I want to hear from the Law enforcement community. Being a professional LEO and trained in these types of situations. I'm sure some of you have been spit at before, maybe many times by these idiots. Was this the right thing to do as an officer of the law. To strike a handcuffed person. I know you've probably felt like it many times and they probably deserved it. But as an officer you are trained to have restraint and not be thin skinned. Even though we may like what he did. I'm betting alot of officers would agree it was wrong and that officer lacks restraint. He Will be watched by his superiors from here on out. He might end up being a liability for the dept. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:17:31 AM EDT
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Idiot Vs Drunk Idiot......very entertaining
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:18:24 AM EDT
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The bad decisions just seem to keep making themselves for douche boy.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:19:18 AM EDT
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The cop was charged criminally.
There's another thread bitching about NYPD watching a fight.
I don't know how this era of cops get through the day. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:20:12 AM EDT
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I completely understand the cops position. He should never be a cop again. Txl 
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:23:09 AM EDT
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Good knockout, anyone who spits on anyone needs to be beaten. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:24:54 AM EDT
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Working off duty is when an officer is hired by a local company, HOA, etc to provide some form of police service (typically security or traffic enforcement) outside of his normal duty hours. Most of the time officers are in full uniform and sometimes with a marked car I’m And stupid move on the officers part Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That he was off duty so the badge isn't relevant in this situation since he was not working for the PD at the time. I would suspect moonlighting as bar security. ETA: WTF??? Per video below he is in uniform, so which is it? I’m And stupid move on the officers part |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:25:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:27:15 AM EDT
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We being non professional LEOs can say what we want about this. I want to hear from the Law enforcement community. Being a professional LEO and trained in these types of situations. I'm sure some of you have been spit at before, maybe many times by these idiots. Was this the right thing to do as an officer of the law. To strike a handcuffed person. I know you've probably felt like it many times and they probably deserved it. But as an officer you are trained to have restraint and not be thin skinned. Even though we may like what he did. I'm betting alot of officers would agree it was wrong and that officer lacks restraint. He Will be watched by his superiors from here on out. He might end up being a liability for the dept. 
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:27:17 AM EDT
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The guy was cuffed. If the cop would have put his gun and badge up, uncuffed the asshole then beat the shit out of the guy then that's cool with me  The Price is Right Losing Horn - Sound Effect (HD) |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:27:49 AM EDT
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The cop was charged criminally.
There's another thread bitching about NYPD watching a fight.
I don't know how this era of cops get through the day. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:32:10 AM EDT
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By doing as little as is humanly possible? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The cop was charged criminally.
There's another thread bitching about NYPD watching a fight.
I don't know how this era of cops get through the day. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:33:51 AM EDT
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Before body cams, this was normal practice for pieces of shit like this.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:35:25 AM EDT
[#31]
Not guilty.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:37:31 AM EDT
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Dude deserved it, or worse. I hope he didn't win millions in a lawsuit.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:39:15 AM EDT
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spitter got what he deserved. No sympathy here. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:43:40 AM EDT
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The guy was cuffed. If the cop would have put his gun and badge up, uncuffed the asshole then beat the shit out of the guy then that's cool with me |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:49:18 AM EDT
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That suspect is a pretty light skinned black guy.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:49:57 AM EDT
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We being non professional LEOs can say what we want about this. I want to hear from the Law enforcement community. Being a professional LEO and trained in these types of situations. I'm sure some of you have been spit at before, maybe many times by these idiots. Was this the right thing to do as an officer of the law. To strike a handcuffed person. I know you've probably felt like it many times and they probably deserved it. But as an officer you are trained to have restraint and not be thin skinned. Even though we may like what he did. I'm betting alot of officers would agree it was wrong and that officer lacks restraint. He Will be watched by his superiors from here on out. He might end up being a liability for the dept. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:50:20 AM EDT
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We being non professional LEOs can say what we want about this. I want to hear from the Law enforcement community. Being a professional LEO and trained in these types of situations. I'm sure some of you have been spit at before, maybe many times by these idiots. Was this the right thing to do as an officer of the law. To strike a handcuffed person. I know you've probably felt like it many times and they probably deserved it. But as an officer you are trained to have restraint and not be thin skinned. Even though we may like what he did. I'm betting alot of officers would agree it was wrong and that officer lacks restraint. He Will be watched by his superiors from here on out. He might end up being a liability for the dept. The smart thing would have been to pull the back of his shirt over his head the 2nd time he started spitting. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:52:43 AM EDT
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LOL!
Who's a bitch now?! |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:02:31 AM EDT
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The cop was charged criminally.
There's another thread bitching about NYPD watching a fight.
I don't know how this era of cops get through the day. He said, “I really respect you new guys. The job’s not what it was when I started. If I had to start now, I wouldn’t do it,” got up, and walked away. The job’s not what it was when I started 22 years ago. Knowing what I know now, I would not start a police career now. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:03:11 AM EDT
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Spitting is assault in the days of transmittable diseases through saliva. That's a potential deadly weapon. The cop disarmed him by closing his mouth. He didn't continue to beat the guy, used minimal force to stop the threat. Guy looks like he's a master at good choices in his life, chose to spit and there were consequences. Cop should get a voucher for a free coffee and donut.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:03:55 AM EDT
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Perp was told twice not to spit by a friend of mine. Third incident he coughed up a lugie and pinched the perps jaw and spit down perp's mouth. problem solved.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:08:29 AM EDT
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Perp was told twice not to spit by a friend of mine. Third incident he coughed up a lugie and pinched the perps jaw and spit down perp's mouth. problem solved. 
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:09:18 AM EDT
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Searched for dupe... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1clsPeXT9Io
Newly released body camera footage shows Denver Police Corporal Michael Oestmann punching and knocking out a handcuffed suspect after he taunted Oestmann for minutes while sitting in the chair and then spitting at his feet. Cpl. Michael Oestmann reached a plea deal last week with the Denver District Attorney's Office that will allow him to wipe his guilty plea to a misdemeanor menacing charge from his record in a year if he follows court orders. He will serve no jail time. Investigative documents obtained show Oestmann was working off duty at a downtown bar on April 14. Oestmann detained a suspect, identified in court papers as Kevin Watson, involved in an assault inside the bar. The man was seated in a chair with his hands handcuffed behind his back, according to a probable cause statement. The statement reads, "For about ten minutes (the suspect) berated and insulted Cpl. Oestman until the point (suspect) spit upon Oestman, striking him in the face with saliva. Cpl. Oestman responded by kneeing (the suspect) in the chest, and punching him in the face, knocking him unconscious." The suspect was transported to Denver Health Medical Center and treated for cuts to his face. Edit - If you haven't checked out that Youtube Channel Police Activity, it's an amazing treasure trove of body/dashcams. Suspect was lucky one of those kegs didn’t accidentally fall onto him. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:13:27 AM EDT
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I'm ok with this.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:18:50 AM EDT
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I liked how at the end, after getting ktfo he looks all sleepy and peaceful "You will not spit on me again, nod if you understand." Suspects head lolls forward to peacefully rest on chest. "Good." |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:21:21 AM EDT
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Yep. That's super cool that the cop knocked out a handcuffed guy. No risk of a lawsuit to the city at all. Kudos.
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:22:19 AM EDT
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no excuse for the cops' behavior. He should be suspended no pay as an example
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:22:50 AM EDT
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spitter got what he deserved. No sympathy here. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:26:12 AM EDT
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You can't sock handcuffed prisoners? A cop around here socked some guy who was shit talking him during booking. There are cameras everywhere. The other cops cuffed him and charged him. It ain't 1975 Well, its thinking like that leads most of us to think that New York deserves what it gets. |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 7:28:01 AM EDT
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So if a cop spits on me, am I free to knock him out?
If a cop can stop, detain, harass or otherwise come after me for calling him a name, which some here would be fine with, does the cop get reprimanded, fined or otherwise in trouble for calling me the same names during interactions? See a problem? I do, because I know the answer. Guy is handcuffed and not a threat. What if the cop accidentally killed the guy? Would it be a good kill and we’ll deserved? |
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