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Quoted: Quoted: Why aren't we blaming the SF team who went to pick up Bergdahl? They could have refused the mission. That's just dumb. No shit. I mean...they could have claimed he died in the crossfire of an ambush set at the pick up point....but refuse the mission? Not so much. |
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JSOC debated rescue mission due to belief he was a deserter
JSOC didn't want to risk lives for deserter Commanders on the ground debated whether to pull the trigger on a rescue several times in recent years, according to one of the sources, a former high-level intelligence official in Afghanistan, who said the conclusion each time was that the prospect of losing highly trained troops was too high a price to pay for rescuing a soldier who walked away from his unit before being captured by the enemy.
A second source told The Washington Times that the rescue operation plans were “high risk” and became even less attractive in recent months when officials in the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command grew convinced that the Taliban and the militant Haqqani network, whose operatives were holding Sgt. Bergdahl, were eager to cut a deal for his release. “Joint Special Operations Command always had the rescue mission on the table and it was entirely under their ownership, but the big question centered on whether Bergdahl was somebody you risk lives for when you still have time and space to maneuver diplomatically,” said the source, a high-level congressional aide, who, like the former intelligence official, spoke only on the condition of anonymity. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/2/pentagon-knew-berghdahls-whereabouts-but-didnt-ris/#ixzz33ZkF7eNh Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter View Quote |
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Quoted: That did not happen,it's an urban legend. Posing on an AAA piece and legitimizing the North Vietnamese was bad enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets just tell it like it is! "Bowe Bergdahl is Afghan's Jane Fonda " He should be brought up on charges of Desertion under fire. No one directly died because of that cunt!! I'm pretty sure a couple of POWs were beat to death after she turned over a note they slipped her. That did not happen,it's an urban legend. Posing on an AAA piece and legitimizing the North Vietnamese was bad enough. "Both the Snopes and Urban Legend versions confirm that a prisoner, Michael Benge, was beaten by Vietnamese captors for refusing to meet with Fonda." http://reason.com/blog/2005/05/18/did-hanoi-jane-pass-notes-hand But for her being in North Vietnam, Mr. Benge would not have been tortured on that occasion. |
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DU - The GOP is swift-boating Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
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Isn't "swift boating" just having those who served with someone tell the truth about how that person behaved? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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DU - The GOP is swift-boating Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025037326 Isn't "swift boating" just having those who served with someone tell the truth about how that person behaved? Yes and I think it has become painfully obvious to all except libtards that Obama likes jihadists more than white Christian gun owners. |
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The only silver lining is that this blowing up in Obama's face hard. In comparison to other scandals, which the media slow rolled like a mofo, pretty much everybody and their uncle was on this one today. That is breakneck speed for the sympathizer media. CNN covered it all day, and not in an exactly friendly way. Hell, even MSNBC dared to question it. This is not going away, and is going to pick up steam all week. By the time it is done, this really could be the President's biggest scandal ever. View Quote I've said it before- one can hope. Oh man am I ever hoping. |
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I'm pretty sure a couple of POWs were beat to death after she turned over a note they slipped her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lets just tell it like it is! "Bowe Bergdahl is Afghan's Jane Fonda " He should be brought up on charges of Desertion under fire. No one directly died because of that cunt!! I'm pretty sure a couple of POWs were beat to death after she turned over a note they slipped her. Many accounts I've read said that incident was fabricated. I am open to convincing proof that it dd happen, though- as I certainly believe it is plausible. |
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BREAKING: Video Segment – Colonel David Hunt Says Bergdahl ‘Called His Unit the Day After He Deserted to Tell His Unit He Deserted…
“Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. Bergdahl on June 20, 2009 crawled underneath a wire at his fire base with water, food, a change of clothes, a knife and a cell phone. He called his unit the day after he deserted to tell his unit he deserted… Bill, we lost 14 soldiers, killed, searching for a deserter. He left his unit in combat. It’s non-arguable… We don’t know yet if he joined the Taliban or not. But, there’s no question he deserted." Quoted:
Many accounts I've read said that incident was fabricated. I am open to convincing proof that it dd happen, though- as I certainly believe it is plausible. View Quote I'd also would be more than happy to hear any proof. I agree it's very plausible! |
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And I bet Team Obama thought this POW returning would take public attention away from the VA scandal. If anything, it's just pissed off veterans even more! |
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And I bet Team Obama thought this POW returning would take public attention away from the VA scandal. If anything, it's just pissed off veterans even more! View Quote Well, it kind of did... It's no longer on the front page and the only people that seem to care about it is us, because it directly impacts us. And this administration has proven time and time again, it doesn't give a flying fuck about vets or how pissed off we are, sooo it worked. It seems what they didn't expect, for some odd reason, is vets with firsthand knowledge of the situation coming out and shouting from the rooftops what really happened. I really can't wrap my head around what could have been the endgame here. There was zero chance that there wasn't going to be backlash from this! Also, no one is talking about Operation Choke Point. They obviously are terrible with trades, maybe they figured trading two scandals for one was a great deal. ETA: Or Sgt. Tahmoorsessi, so three scandals for one. See we're getting closer to the 5:1 magic number. |
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BREAKING: Video Segment – Colonel David Hunt Says Bergdahl ‘Called His Unit the Day After He Deserted to Tell His Unit He Deserted… “Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. Bergdahl on June 20, 2009 crawled underneath a wire at his fire base with water, food, a change of clothes, a knife and a cell phone. He called his unit the day after he deserted to tell his unit he deserted… Bill, we lost 14 soldiers, killed, searching for a deserter. He left his unit in combat. It’s non-arguable… We don’t know yet if he joined the Taliban or not. But, there’s no question he deserted." I'd also would be more than happy to hear any proof. I agree it's very plausible! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
BREAKING: Video Segment – Colonel David Hunt Says Bergdahl ‘Called His Unit the Day After He Deserted to Tell His Unit He Deserted… “Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. Bergdahl on June 20, 2009 crawled underneath a wire at his fire base with water, food, a change of clothes, a knife and a cell phone. He called his unit the day after he deserted to tell his unit he deserted… Bill, we lost 14 soldiers, killed, searching for a deserter. He left his unit in combat. It’s non-arguable… We don’t know yet if he joined the Taliban or not. But, there’s no question he deserted." Quoted:
Many accounts I've read said that incident was fabricated. I am open to convincing proof that it dd happen, though- as I certainly believe it is plausible. I'd also would be more than happy to hear any proof. I agree it's very plausible! Hunt seems to be going of of more liberal estimates as to how many were killed during operations meant to find him or as a result of his actions. |
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Guy at work was attached to a Seal Team (not a Seal himself but deployed with them) and he is fucking pissed. He said his last deployment was spent almost exclusively gathering intel looking for this asshole. I asked him if people died looking for him and he said "Oh yeah."
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That's going to be "Staff Sergeant" Deserter soon.
http://weaselzippers.us/188003-army-to-promote-suspected-deserter-bowe-bergdahl-to-staff-sergeant/ |
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View Quote Needs moar drone strike. |
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The loyal Obama fans don't have the thinking capacity to question anything he does. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is the sort of thing that should make any die hard really question the loyalty Obama has to the country. The loyal Obama fans don't have the thinking capacity to question anything he does. You know how domestic violence victims sometimes will call the police in tears, then immediately bond their abusive SO out of jail and be back with them in <24 hours? It kind of reminds me of that. |
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How Obama Convinced His Spies to Support the Taliban Prisoner Release
...But current U.S. intelligence and defense officials who spoke to The Daily Beast on Monday say the process for exchanging Taliban for Bergdahl this time was rushed and closely held, in some instances leaving little room for any push back against a policy clearly favored by the White House. “This was an example of forcing the consensus,” one U.S. military official said. “The White House knew the answer they wanted and they ended up getting it.” The White House did not even consult or inform Congress until after the prisoner release had begun. Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told The Daily Beast, “Should we have gotten advance warning? I actually think so.” She added, “We had participated in a number of briefings some time ago [on a possible future deal] and there was considerable concern.” At the end of the day, both Hagel and Clapper supported Obama’s decision. Hagel was willing to make the certification that the risk to U.S. interests posed by releasing the “Gitmo Five” was mitigated in part by the assurances of the Qatari government. |
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You know how domestic violence victims sometimes will call the police in tears, then immediately bond their abusive SO out of jail and be back with them in <24 hours? It kind of reminds me of that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is the sort of thing that should make any die hard really question the loyalty Obama has to the country. The loyal Obama fans don't have the thinking capacity to question anything he does. You know how domestic violence victims sometimes will call the police in tears, then immediately bond their abusive SO out of jail and be back with them in <24 hours? It kind of reminds me of that. The only difference is the obama fans don't even know or recognize they are being hit. I think we're approaching 50% of this nation meeting DSM V Delusional. DSM V: Delusions are fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence. Their content may include a variety of themes (e.g. persecutory, referential, somatic, religious, grandiose).[…] Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary life experiences. […] The distinction between a delusion and a strongly held idea is sometimes difficult to make and depends in part on the degree of conviction with which the belief is held despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity. |
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Well at least BHO managed to get the VA scandal off of the front pages. That seems to be his game plan, just make a bigger fuck up than the current one he's receiving shit about to distract the twitter world then repeat as often as necessary. What a bunch of buffoons we have running this show. View Quote I wish they were just buffoons. What we have is a mix of chicago organized crime bosses, a bunch of commies, and a smattering of doped out hippie commies actively transforming this country into a dung heap. |
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No shit. I mean...they could have claimed he died in the crossfire of an ambush set at the pick up point....but refuse the mission? Not so much. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why aren't we blaming the SF team who went to pick up Bergdahl? They could have refused the mission. That's just dumb. No shit. I mean...they could have claimed he died in the crossfire of an ambush set at the pick up point....but refuse the mission? Not so much. Or, wait bowe, get away from that open door, you're in a helicopter st 2500 feet. |
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Isn't "swift boating" just having those who served with someone tell the truth about how that person behaved? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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DU - The GOP is swift-boating Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025037326 Isn't "swift boating" just having those who served with someone tell the truth about how that person behaved? Yes |
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And I bet Team Obama thought this POW returning would take public attention away from the VA scandal. If anything, it's just pissed off veterans even more! View Quote This will be much easier for them to control Americans have very short memories......I saw this same thing with Bobby Garwood many years ago. and other VA scandals that threatened other administrations as much as it does the current one... spell the rasp in raspberry....r a s p .....spell the straw in strawberry...s t r a w....spell the fuck in justice...there ain't no fuck in justice. I believe that there will be justice someday...but that day is not quite yet. |
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Quoted: At the end of the day, both Hagel and Clapper supported Obama’s decision. Hagel was willing to make the certification that the risk to U.S. interests posed by releasing the "Gitmo Five” was mitigated in part by the assurances of the Qatari government. View Quote What the fuck does that even mean???? "in part"??? What are the other mitigating parts? "Assurances"??? WHAT assurances!? We've heard from Obama of absolutely ZERO assurances made by the Qatari gov't. Hagel is exactly what he was predicted to be before his confirmation - a moronic buffoon whose only legacy will be to WEAKEN our national defenses. |
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Quoted: Can we impeach and rid ourselves of the retards who voted him in in the first place? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ... can't we commence impeachment proceedings yet? |
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In case this didn't make the thread yet. It's getting "good" Fox News reporter says,
"Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC - new report: Berghdal left behind a note renouncing American citizenship...developing..." https://twitter.com/Jennafnc/status/473852493286633472 From news reporter Byron York. Byron York ?@ByronYork "So US knew all along why Bergdahl left. Promoted him while gone, silenced his Army colleagues, now traded Gitmo terrorists for him…" https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/473791396366008320 And from Twitchy, " ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship Posted at 12:17 pm on June 3, 2014 by Twitchy Staff " http://twitchy.com/2014/06/03/getting-worse-by-the-hour-fnc-reports-bergdahl-renounced-us-citizenship/ |
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In case this didn't make the thread yet. It's getting "good" Fox News reporter says, "Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC - new report: Berghdal left behind a note renouncing American citizenship...developing..." https://twitter.com/Jennafnc/status/473852493286633472 From news reporter Byron York. Byron York ?@ByronYork "So US knew all along why Bergdahl left. Promoted him while gone, silenced his Army colleagues, now traded Gitmo terrorists for him…" https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/473791396366008320 And from Twitchy, " ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship Posted at 12:17 pm on June 3, 2014 by Twitchy Staff " http://twitchy.com/2014/06/03/getting-worse-by-the-hour-fnc-reports-bergdahl-renounced-us-citizenship/ View Quote Friggin hell... How low can this administration go??? Someone needs to photoshop a limbo party with the Obama under a low stick. Caption it "Limbo to HELL". |
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In case this didn't make the thread yet. It's getting "good" Fox News reporter says, "Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC - new report: Berghdal left behind a note renouncing American citizenship...developing..." https://twitter.com/Jennafnc/status/473852493286633472 From news reporter Byron York. Byron York ?@ByronYork "So US knew all along why Bergdahl left. Promoted him while gone, silenced his Army colleagues, now traded Gitmo terrorists for him…" https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/473791396366008320 And from Twitchy, " ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship Posted at 12:17 pm on June 3, 2014 by Twitchy Staff " http://twitchy.com/2014/06/03/getting-worse-by-the-hour-fnc-reports-bergdahl-renounced-us-citizenship/ View Quote Barack Obama. Fundamentally transforming America since 2009! Now with even MORE transforming! |
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Friggin hell... How low can this administration go??? Someone needs to photoshop a limbo party with the Obama under a low stick. Caption it "Limbo to HELL". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In case this didn't make the thread yet. It's getting "good" Fox News reporter says, "Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC - new report: Berghdal left behind a note renouncing American citizenship...developing..." https://twitter.com/Jennafnc/status/473852493286633472 From news reporter Byron York. Byron York ?@ByronYork "So US knew all along why Bergdahl left. Promoted him while gone, silenced his Army colleagues, now traded Gitmo terrorists for him…" https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/473791396366008320 And from Twitchy, " ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship Posted at 12:17 pm on June 3, 2014 by Twitchy Staff " http://twitchy.com/2014/06/03/getting-worse-by-the-hour-fnc-reports-bergdahl-renounced-us-citizenship/ Friggin hell... How low can this administration go??? Someone needs to photoshop a limbo party with the Obama under a low stick. Caption it "Limbo to HELL". bowe made out like a bandit ..poison pill got his boys released and that was probably his understanding between his Taliban friends when they gave him back ...bazingaa good one ole boy |
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A bit of devil's advocacy.
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A bit of devil's advocacy. Once we leave Afghanistan, we have no basis for indefinitely holding Taliban members. Fine , fucking shoot them . ETA: After a trial of course Can't kill a POW unless it was violating LOAC. |
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Friggin hell... How low can this administration go??? Someone needs to photoshop a limbo party with the Obama under a low stick. Caption it "Limbo to HELL". View Quote I doubt if we have seen the end of it. 'Limbo to Hell" is right. Obama is going to take the US lower than the Marianas Trench. I predict impeachment will follow by 2015. |
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A bit of devil's advocacy. Once we leave Afghanistan, we have no basis for indefinitely holding Taliban members. Fine , fucking shoot them . ETA: After a trial of course Can't kill a POW unless it was violating LOAC. I thought you could not be a POW unless you were captured in a uniform of a nation? On another note, this also means we just released these 5 with intimate knowledge of how interrogation techniques are used, most likely fluent in English and well versed in what Not to Fear about the US. TRG |
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A bit of devil's advocacy. Once we leave Afghanistan, we have no basis for indefinitely holding Taliban members. Fine , fucking shoot them . ETA: After a trial of course Can't kill a POW unless it was violating LOAC. Aren't they technically "unlawful combatants" not POWs? |
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I thought you could not be a POW unless you were captured in a uniform of a nation? On another note, this also means we just released these 5 with intimate knowledge of how interrogation techniques are used, most likely fluent in English and well versed in what Not to Fear about the US. TRG View Quote We've given Taliban members POW status. Given that they were fighting for the state of Afghanistan, I don't think thats incorrect. And I'm not sure about the uniform requirement. I know you don't have to do much to have a 'uniform.' |
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A bit of devil's advocacy. Once we leave Afghanistan, we have no basis for indefinitely holding Taliban members. View Quote Our GITMO detainees are unlawful combatants, not POWs. They are afforded no protection under the Geneva Convention or any other international treaties or accords. We can hold them until they rot, and there is no law that says otherwise. |
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BREAKING: Video Segment – Colonel David Hunt Says Bergdahl ‘Called His Unit the Day After He Deserted to Tell His Unit He Deserted… “Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. Bergdahl on June 20, 2009 crawled underneath a wire at his fire base with water, food, a change of clothes, a knife and a cell phone. He called his unit the day after he deserted to tell his unit he deserted… Bill, we lost 14 soldiers, killed, searching for a deserter. He left his unit in combat. It’s non-arguable… We don’t know yet if he joined the Taliban or not. But, there’s no question he deserted." Quoted:
Many accounts I've read said that incident was fabricated. I am open to convincing proof that it dd happen, though- as I certainly believe it is plausible. I'd also would be more than happy to hear any proof. I agree it's very plausible! Hunt seems to be going of of more liberal estimates as to how many were killed during operations meant to find him or as a result of his actions. Hunt is counting soldiers from other units that were killed during various attempts to find Berger Bergdandah. |
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Quoted:And to send Susan-freakin'-Rice out there to peddle this narrative? Unreal... after Benghazi, she should be homeless and eating out of dumpsters... she has ZERO credibility. View Quote I think sending Rice on the Sunday talk show was by intentional design to rub everyone's nose in it. As in, what are you gonna do about it? That's right. You'll do absolutely nothing, and we'll continue to do whatever the heck we want to, free from any constraints imposed by the Constitution, the law, or even common sense. And we'll send out Susan Rice to lie some more just to rub salt in the wound. Surely the Administration had to know about all this on Bergdahl was going to come out and blow up in their face. The question is why. Just to distract from the VA? Or is something much larger at play? |
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I think sending Rice on the Sunday talk show was by intentional design to rub everyone's nose in it. As in, what are you gonna do about it? That's right. You'll do absolutely nothing, and we'll continue to do whatever the heck we want to, free from any constraints imposed by the Constitution, the law, or even common sense. And we'll send out Susan Rice to lie some more just to rub salt in the wound. Surely the Administration had to know about all this on Bergdahl was going to come out and blow up in their face. The question is why. Just to distract from the VA? Or is something much larger at play? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:And to send Susan-freakin'-Rice out there to peddle this narrative? Unreal... after Benghazi, she should be homeless and eating out of dumpsters... she has ZERO credibility. I think sending Rice on the Sunday talk show was by intentional design to rub everyone's nose in it. As in, what are you gonna do about it? That's right. You'll do absolutely nothing, and we'll continue to do whatever the heck we want to, free from any constraints imposed by the Constitution, the law, or even common sense. And we'll send out Susan Rice to lie some more just to rub salt in the wound. Surely the Administration had to know about all this on Bergdahl was going to come out and blow up in their face. The question is why. Just to distract from the VA? Or is something much larger at play? It solves a problem: What to do with 5 KNOWN to be DANGEROUS Taliban 'officers' being held at Guantanamo? You can't keep them in the States and you can't close Guantanamo until you have a place to put them. This allows them to move those top 5 guys out of Guantanamo. Problem solved. Now, since those 5 that Obama agreed are dangerous are gone then you can explain that the others remaining can be released because 'they really weren't that bad compared to those 5 that we were 'forced' to release to 'save a soldier'... Once you release the five poisonous snakes, what harm is there in releasing all the non-venomous ones as well? TRG |
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Maybe Kumami was right , great satan ..court of snakes and all that
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