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Posted: 11/14/2021 4:57:47 PM EDT
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https://www.popsci.com/technology/army-infantry-squad-vehicle-explained/ The Army’s Infantry Squad Vehicle seats 9 and can be dropped from a cargo plane Plus, it's 70 percent similar in it parts to a Chevy Colorado ZR2 pickup. View Quote Before the Army can win a battle, it has to move people into position. More specifically, it has to move squads of soldiers—close to the smallest functional unit of war—and make sure they are in a position to fight effectively. To accomplish this, and make sure that soldiers can fight and move over the harshest terrain, the Army is turning to a lightweight nine-person transport known as the “Infantry Squad Vehicle,” which looks like a big jeep that can carry rucksacks on the top rack. The vehicle seats nine: two in the front, three in the second row, two people facing backwards behind the third row, and one person each facing outwards from the sides on the rear. The sides and seats are all open. Passengers can buckle into place, but there are no doors. This makes it a vehicle that soldiers can easily enter and exit, reducing to a bare minimum the amount of time spent fiddling with doors before driving away or dismounting into position. The lack of armor is immediately apparent. MRAPS, the giant explosive-resistant troop transports that the Pentagon ordered a few years into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, were produced in such a quantity that surplus models are regularly in use with police departments across the United States. Those slow, lumbering vehicles are the face of a type of modern warfare, but they are a specific adaptation to a specific set of circumstances. MRAPs, as well as heavier armored transport vehicles like Strykers, are useful for fighting in areas where soldiers expect ambushes and roadside bombs. That kind of fighting is more common in counter-insurgency warfare, with soldiers patrolling villages and cities and countryside looking for small armed groups. On the other hand, the Infantry Squad Vehicle, with its open sides, light body, and giant tires, is about moving soldiers into place, but that’s where the similarity to heavier vehicles ends. There’s no armor or gun turret in the base version because those would prevent its primary function, which is carrying soldiers over difficult terrain quickly. (At a defense exposition in October, GM Defense, which makes the ISV, showed off a model that includes a gun turret and vehicle mounts for infantry weapons. To include those weapons, the armed model gives up four seats for passengers, and is not yet a part of planned Army acquisitions.) The Army is invested in the ISV to the tune of 649 vehicles by the end of 2024, with plans for 2,065 total. It’s so integral to how the Army plans for fighting future war that it’s already writing its doctrine with ISVs in mind. In an Army Field Manual published January 2021, the role of an Infantry Brigade Combat Team is defined as “dismounted operations in complex terrain—a geographical area consisting of an urban center larger than a village and/or of two or more types of restrictive terrain or environmental conditions occupying the same space.” View Quote |
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You can walk or you can ride but either way you get rained on.
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I can see my old infantry squad in that thing. Regardless of the war it would be funny. Pretty sure Sgt Roman would insist on driving.
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How long until it gets up-armored, weighs 10X as much, and seats three?
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Creates carbon? No go.
Back to horse drawn wagons & horse pharts. |
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Seems pretty retarded (so typical of government contracts) when they could have used something off the shelf like, oh I don't know, the J8s that other countries are using for the same purpose.
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Didn’t the Colorado have a frame breaking issue when weighed down?
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I'm assuming this is more for stateside and places like Germany/Poland for quick and local transport? Or roles far from the front lines.
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a geographical area consisting of an urban center larger than a village and/or of two or more types of restrictive terrain or environmental conditions occupying the same space.”
So like a suburb or gated communities on the outskirts? |
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Should have went with Toyota as a base.
There is a reason why 3rd world nations have been using them as technicals since ever. Not to mention the parts availability. |
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If it doesn't come with crank windows for $20k I don't want it
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Quoted: Whenever we end up fighting insurgents again instead of the fantasy conflict the military dreams up in its head and it starts getting chewed up by IEDs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Whenever we end up fighting insurgents again instead of the fantasy conflict the military dreams up in its head and it starts getting chewed up by IEDs. False. This is in no way a substitute for the multiple armored platforms that exist. Its not a patrol vehicle. Also, its almost as if being airmobile and off road capable was a tactic in itself to mitigate a huge amount of an potential IED threat. Quoted: that invisible armor is neat. Its pretty hard to get armored vehicles into Chinooks. |
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What does this offer that a Land Verber (Cruise or Rove) hasn't offered for the last 30 years?
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Quoted: First I've heard of it. Where did you hear that ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Didn’t the Colorado have a frame breaking issue when weighed down? First I've heard of it. Where did you hear that ? I’ve seen pictures somewhere about this, frame buckling between the cab and bed on trails, IIRC, small offroad camp trailers were being towed. |
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Plus, it's 70 percent similar in it parts to a Chevy Colorado ZR2 pickup. View Quote |
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What goes around, comes around. Truck-mounted infantry has been around since WWII.
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Quoted: No A-GMV, no care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/F16EB134-AFBE-4CC1-AE28-294278B0AE29-2166821.jpg View Quote bUt itS uNArmOreD.... Attached File |
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Looks pretty sweet until bullets start flying or the g’s decide to put some AT mines out or an IED or two.
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Looks like the makings of a Workhorse.
Capable, cheap, nimble, adaptable and for now very exposed |
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Quoted: Looks pretty sweet until bullets start flying or the g’s decide to put some AT mines out or an IED or two. View Quote Your namesake unit managed just fine with unarmored vics in an IED/mine heavy theater. Step one is usually drive where the IEDs aren't. An offroad capable vehicle gives you that option. Step two, in a high threat area, dismount and deliberately clear. These things are designed around LSCO and being able to position light troops forward while still being able to carry support equipment and have the ability to displace. |
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What am I missing? Is it supposed to be a CUCV replacement? A Deuce and a half replacement?
What is the point of these again? Moving troops to locations where they can fight? You mean like a Deuce and a half that can also be used to move the platoons extra stuff? I'm not seeing the point of these other than spend taxpayer money for more useless shit that won't help the grunts. |
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Quoted: What am I missing? Is it supposed to be a CUCV replacement? A Deuce and a half replacement? What is the point of these again? Moving troops to locations where they can fight? You mean like a Deuce and a half that can also be used to move the platoons extra stuff? I'm not seeing the point of these other than spend taxpayer money for more useless shit that won't help the grunts. View Quote Yeah it's a deuce and a half. |
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Quoted: What am I missing? Is it supposed to be a CUCV replacement? A Deuce and a half replacement? What is the point of these again? Moving troops to locations where they can fight? You mean like a Deuce and a half that can also be used to move the platoons extra stuff? I'm not seeing the point of these other than spend taxpayer money for more useless shit that won't help the grunts. View Quote Yes, it was meant to be a replacement for vehicles that stopped being used 30 years ago. Nailed it. Slow moving convoys of vehicles moving to the front are a thing of the past with modern artillery and missiles and the almost infinite capability for ISR via satellite, EW, and UAS. Smaller, faster units need to push forward on helicopters to seize key terrain and neutralize long range threats to heavier formations to create a safety bubble for them to move forward in. They also need to be able to support themselves with things like EW and SHORAD requiring a mobility platform, and have the ability to rapidly displace once they get targeted. Its also small enough to conceal from aerial observation...kind of a big deal nowadays. |
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Quoted: False. This is in no way a substitute for the multiple armored platforms that exist. Its not a patrol vehicle. Also, its almost as if being airmobile and off road capable was a tactic in itself to mitigate a huge amount of an potential IED threat. Its pretty hard to get armored vehicles into Chinooks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Whenever we end up fighting insurgents again instead of the fantasy conflict the military dreams up in its head and it starts getting chewed up by IEDs. False. This is in no way a substitute for the multiple armored platforms that exist. Its not a patrol vehicle. Also, its almost as if being airmobile and off road capable was a tactic in itself to mitigate a huge amount of an potential IED threat. Quoted: that invisible armor is neat. Its pretty hard to get armored vehicles into Chinooks. Fair enough, I'll defer to your experience. |
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