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Right-wing means supporting the status quo, maintaining traditional policies and values, and nationalism. Left-wing is about equality and providing as much individual liberty while also being progressive on a global scale. Socialism, while generally a left-wing ideology, is not a political position. Socialism is simply an economic system which is generally favored by those on the left. But is it not exclusive. The Nazis, since you bring it up, were right-wing (strong national policy, bad foreign policy, traditionalists, etc.), but had many social policies. For example, the Nazis provided Jewish slave labor to various companies for free, thus supporting capitalist companies (like BMW) with free slave labor. The Nazi government, therefore, participated in the means of production, which is socialist in nature. Also, we can look at the German Labor Front for another example of how the right-wing Nazi party participated in socialism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Seriously though, right wing traditionally has meant more individualized ideologies. The idea that one can take care of ones self and belongings as long as it does not interfere with anothers rights. Hence why they are usually always anti big government, who needs and thrives off dependency. So how can you have those right wing ideologies coincide with government taking care of all manners of someones life? And hes not wrong saying revisionist history. Nazis are always protrayed now in schools and media as right wing nationalist who fought the left wing communists Soviets. The truth is they were both left wingers doing what left wingers do best. Trample people in the name of bigger government. Id say that the people of Papua New Guinea were some of the biggest right wingers of that whole war haha Socialism, while generally a left-wing ideology, is not a political position. Socialism is simply an economic system which is generally favored by those on the left. But is it not exclusive. The Nazis, since you bring it up, were right-wing (strong national policy, bad foreign policy, traditionalists, etc.), but had many social policies. For example, the Nazis provided Jewish slave labor to various companies for free, thus supporting capitalist companies (like BMW) with free slave labor. The Nazi government, therefore, participated in the means of production, which is socialist in nature. Also, we can look at the German Labor Front for another example of how the right-wing Nazi party participated in socialism. I snorted so hard I think I hurt my nose. |
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You need to get out of GD more. View Quote And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. |
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Quoted: Right-wing means supporting the status quo, maintaining traditional policies and values, and nationalism. Left-wing is about equality and providing as much individual liberty while also being progressive on a global scale. Socialism, while generally a left-wing ideology, is not a political position. Socialism is simply an economic system which is generally favored by those on the left. But is it not exclusive. The Nazis, since you bring it up, were right-wing (strong national policy, bad foreign policy, traditionalists, etc.), but had many social policies. For example, the Nazis provided Jewish slave labor to various companies for free, thus supporting capitalist companies (like BMW) with free slave labor. The Nazi government, therefore, participated in the means of production, which is socialist in nature. Also, we can look at the German Labor Front for another example of how the right-wing Nazi party participated in socialism. View Quote |
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Quoted: Right-wing means supporting the status quo, maintaining traditional policies and values, and nationalism. Left-wing is about equality and providing as much individual liberty while also being progressive on a global scale. -In todays party terms, the thing is traditional values and policies would have been idividualism and self reliance, especially in an agrarian society. Also i would highly argue equality and idividual liberty being a left wing virtue. Why is it that left wing will vote for bigger government if these are things that matter to them? Why would they regualte themselves more? Also equality can really only be through mutual respect of not infringing on someone elses rights, something big government loves to do. Socialism, while generally a left-wing ideology, is not a political position. Socialism is simply an economic system which is generally favored by those on the left. But is it not exclusive. -Socialism is the politicization of the economy. You replace businessmen with bueracrats. The government regulates the economy and will not allow an individual to rise as fast as they could. The Nazis, since you bring it up, were right-wing (strong national policy, bad foreign policy, traditionalists, etc.), but had many social policies. For example, the Nazis provided Jewish slave labor to various companies for free, thus supporting capitalist companies (like BMW) with free slave labor. The Nazi government, therefore, participated in the means of production, which is socialist in nature. -Nazis were not traditionalists in anyway shape or form. Also if they were right wing and cared about individual freedoms, then whyd they do everything they did? Also how is this any different than Stalins progroms? People forced by the government to do work agains their will for the bettermemt of the nation. Dont forget the vast majority of German "capitalist" companies were government subsidized to nearly the point of nationalization. Also, we can look at the German Labor Front for another example of how the right-wing Nazi party participated in socialism. The German Labour Front was just the bureaucratic wing of the government priortized on industry. Do you think all those unions could have actually striked or would they have been imprisoned or executed? Ie do they have a choice View Quote |
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Thanks for taking the time to post this, I'm glad someone gets it. One only needs to look at religious conservatives and the history of pornography for examples. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Traditionally, conservatives are the type who invoke censorship, not progressives. There’s been an awful lot of censorship over the years in America because something was seen to be “sinful” or “indecent” by the “decent, god fearing, moral majority”(conservatives). Edgy art, rude language, drug use, nudity or even just suggestive behavior, etc. The radical censorship efforts of the American left is a relatively new thing, at least on the mainstream scale that it’s currently happening on. Go back a few decades and take a look at what kind of things were being censored in American culture, though. I’m not sticking up for the left in any way, shape, or form. Their efforts at silencing any and all dissent are inexcusable. But they’re not the only wannabe censors at work in America. The sad truth is that the majority of Americans of all political stripes really don’t understand or like the First Amendment and would gleefully silence anyone that they disagree with if given the opportunity. The left is just having better luck with it lately. One only needs to look at religious conservatives and the history of pornography for examples. |
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like it or not, this site largely dies without GD. I am guessing but based on posting velocity GD accounts for the bulk of the traffic here. And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You need to get out of GD more. And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. |
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Good points, but the Nazis were German traditionalists. Socialism came in with Bismarck, hate of the Jews actually goes way, way back all over Europe, and Blood and Soil had been around way before them. They put a new spin on a lot of old German ideas. Our traditionalism isn’t theirs, not by a long shot. View Quote |
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Quoted: One could argue Bismarck wasnt a traditionalist guy and to go back would be to enter Charlemenge or even the gauls and visigoths fighting the romans. But youre right, their traditionalism is leftist and we are one of the first right wing traditionalist experiments with the ideas of mutual respect for indivdual rights View Quote You know what, screw it. Just watch this community theater version of 1776. I’m sure that explains it all, right? 1776 (America's Award Winning Musical) (1995, Full Production) |
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And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. View Quote Slowly year by year its changed and the pace is accelerating. Its turning this place into what every other boring uninteresting site is like. |
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Things have definitely changed. They always do. I never spent a dime so, I don't have a dog in this fight but - I have noticed, nearly 40% of the GD staff is Law Enforcement so, you know what they think of the lot of you crazies
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I guess he means those Conservative Soviets burning books, or the VC doing the same and killing Teachers. Maybe the Khamir Rouge doing the same or the Muslims killing Christains and burning Churches. Maybe he's talking about the Conservative KKK members of the Democratic Party killing Blacks and keeping them from politics until the late 1960s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Traditionally, conservatives are the type who invoke censorship, not progressives. That's some serious lol material. Maybe the Khamir Rouge doing the same or the Muslims killing Christains and burning Churches. Maybe he's talking about the Conservative KKK members of the Democratic Party killing Blacks and keeping them from politics until the late 1960s. *"Left" in politics came from the monarchial French parliament, which was the side of the room the peasant-party sat on. The other side were invested defenders of the regime, the first ones to be guillotined by the leftists (before they began killing each other) |
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Quoted: like it or not, this site largely dies without GD. I am guessing but based on posting velocity GD accounts for the bulk of the traffic here. And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. View Quote Site ownership/staff isnt blind to this or the dozens of other similar threads regarding these issues & concerns which are leading rapidly to the declining morale & lack of support for this site. One could not be blamed for assuming that they could care less if behavior is on one hand both condoned & ignored when done by some "favorite" members & certain "mods", but is then punished when equally done by others - via a sliding scale of rules, some of which are known to no one or didnt violate a single known CoC. This has the appearance and is in many ways, absolute censorship. Despite these threads, afaik not a single site owner/staff has ever actually addressed them & the concerns of a growingly large number of ARF members, let alone stood back, took a look around and made corrections where they are clearly needed. (hint - its not more rules & more mods overlording the bread & butter of this site, but perhaps hard & fast rules, known by EVERYONE for the mods themselves) I think that in itself is statement enough. but I digress. Come renewal time, there will be no further $$ from me either. |
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To be terribly clear, this is BS. OP has, in the past several days been more than willing to accuse me of being a ROLCON for having a different, far less nationalist, view of conservatism from him here, announced that FDR engineered World War 2 here, and has a profile that quotes Enoch Powell’s infamous (and often regarded as blatantly racist) “Rivers of Blood” speech. I post this not to break the rule against harassing another poster for past posts, but to bring up specifically and relevantly to this thread that OP is very willing to be exceedingly provocative, and is still posting here, unbanned and (so far as I know) unthreatened. I have no idea what brought this on, but given the above, I have no clue how he thinks this place is turning into a socialist hellhole. My $0.02, for what it’s worth. View Quote |
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Videos of Marines and soldiers getting blown the fuck up by road side bombs and their bodies ejected 200 feet in the air from the gunners turret? Aok. Refugees attack British cop, not ok
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And has a very detailed and prepared argument... Interesting View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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To be terribly clear, this is BS. OP has, in the past several days been more than willing to accuse me of being a ROLCON for having a different, far less nationalist, view of conservatism from him here, announced that FDR engineered World War 2 here, and has a profile that quotes Enoch Powell's infamous (and often regarded as blatantly racist) "Rivers of Blood" speech. I post this not to break the rule against harassing another poster for past posts, but to bring up specifically and relevantly to this thread that OP is very willing to be exceedingly provocative, and is still posting here, unbanned and (so far as I know) unthreatened. I have no idea what brought this on, but given the above, I have no clue how he thinks this place is turning into a socialist hellhole. My $0.02, for what it's worth. Got it. Interesting All in 4 months. It’s an Arfcom miracle. |
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Unless you look at the United States. Where the mainstream conservative movement was usually, until recently, primarily focused on conserving our (Classical) Liberal liberties and government. The traditional American Conservative movement has little in common with British or Continental Conservatism apart from an attempt to conserve. What was being conserved is quite different. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Right-wing means supporting the status quo, maintaining traditional policies and values, and nationalism. Left-wing is about equality and providing as much individual liberty while also being progressive on a global scale. Socialism, while generally a left-wing ideology, is not a political position. Socialism is simply an economic system which is generally favored by those on the left. But is it not exclusive. The Nazis, since you bring it up, were right-wing (strong national policy, bad foreign policy, traditionalists, etc.), but had many social policies. For example, the Nazis provided Jewish slave labor to various companies for free, thus supporting capitalist companies (like BMW) with free slave labor. The Nazi government, therefore, participated in the means of production, which is socialist in nature. Also, we can look at the German Labor Front for another example of how the right-wing Nazi party participated in socialism. |
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Quoted: Oreally? You joined April of 2019, just to tell us that? View Quote And I find this funny. I have opinions, I can write, so I must be a retread? Is the entire world not big enough for someone to live through the past, hold opinions on it, and learn to write outside of AR15.com? I have news for you: this place is hardly the totality of human experience. You keep asking why the mods aren’t doing anything, when the answer is right in front of you: I’ve never been here before. I’m not a retread. And I am more than happy for the mods to ask as many questions on that subject as they like. Nothing about this is difficult or a conspiracy, but I get the impression that Occam’s Razor was replaced with fears of the Stonecutter’s Guild for many of you years ago. Not everything requires conspiracies. In fact, very little of the world works that way. The Simpsons: Stonecutters Song "We Do" |
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No. I joined in April of 2019 for a multitude of reasons. As most people joined at one point or another. And in answer to your query below, I have a very specific opinion of what is: this place isn’t a socialist hellhole. What was, was, but my opinions of the past are largely based around, ya know, living through it or studying it. Which qualifies me to hold opinions about things that happened. I saw what the country and conservatism went through, and I’ve known people who went through more, and read further than that. And I find this funny. I have opinions, I can write, so I must be a retread? Is the entire world not big enough for someone to live through the past, hold opinions on it, and learn to write outside of AR15.com? I have news for you: this place is hardly the totality of human experience. You keep asking why the mods aren’t doing anything, when the answer is right in front of you: I’ve never been here before. I’m not a retread. And I am more than happy for the mods to ask as many questions on that subject as they like. Nothing about this is difficult or a conspiracy, but I get the impression that Occam’s Razor was replaced with fears of the Stonecutter’s Guild for many of you years ago. Not everything requires conspiracies. In fact, very little of the world works that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpOjj4YD8c View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Oreally? You joined April of 2019, just to tell us that? And I find this funny. I have opinions, I can write, so I must be a retread? Is the entire world not big enough for someone to live through the past, hold opinions on it, and learn to write outside of AR15.com? I have news for you: this place is hardly the totality of human experience. You keep asking why the mods aren’t doing anything, when the answer is right in front of you: I’ve never been here before. I’m not a retread. And I am more than happy for the mods to ask as many questions on that subject as they like. Nothing about this is difficult or a conspiracy, but I get the impression that Occam’s Razor was replaced with fears of the Stonecutter’s Guild for many of you years ago. Not everything requires conspiracies. In fact, very little of the world works that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpOjj4YD8c |
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Wait, are you guys saying that the rules apply to popular members too? View Quote That said, if you're a long time member who's been very active and you earn a permaban...you either went the account suicide route, or you've got a loooooong rap sheet and just don't agree with the rules, and can't be bothered to follow them. Which is fine - it just means the site isn't a good fit for the way you want to post. It happens. I think a lot of really prolific and popular members who've been here a while do actually get quite a bit of rope, and they take advantage of it. |
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Long time members are getting the hammer because at a certain point I think they believe their popularity or the prolific nature of their posting habits somehow exempts them from the CoC. They become drunk with shitposting power! BTW, at this point, shouldn't we just change the title of this thread to "The Crisis Of Shitposting At ARFCOM"? |
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Quoted: You effectively shut down all future conversation by using the "revisionist" card, i.e. any example from history you simply have to claim it was revised and the truth was hidden to support an agenda. Its the ultimate in tin-foil hat conspiracy theory bullshit. This is not me surrendering. This is me not engaging a crack pot conspiracy nut any further. Good day sir! View Quote Much like philosophers have schools of thought (rationalists vs empiricists for example), there are schools of thought among historians where historical events are interpreted through a certain perspective. There is a thing in academia called "revisionist history". It's not tin foil hat, because it's literally out in the open, historians write books that they acknowledge are written from a revisionist perspective. If you read history with the desire to understand historical events, you have to first understand the study of history as a discipline. |
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I've never been aware of any censorship of ideas or thoughts.
Plenty of stupid shit has been posted here and people will expose it as stupid shit. Disagreement is not censorship. I'm glad personal attacks are not allowed. They are unnecessary and detract from any discussion. Nobody wants to be verbally abused by name calling. I really don't understand all the anxiety about the site lately. If something goes sideways, address it then. Chill out people. |
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I'm sorry that your ignorance of a basic fact of academic study of history is shocking to you. Your ignorance does not a conspiracy theory make. Much like philosophers have schools of thought (rationalists vs empiricists for example), there are schools of thought among historians where historical events are interpreted through a certain perspective. There is a thing in academia called "revisionist history". It's not tin foil hat, because it's literally out in the open, historians write books that they acknowledge are written from a revisionist perspective. If you read history with the desire to understand historical events, you have to first understand the study of history as a discipline. View Quote This is simply customers -vs- customer service, at this point. |
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like it or not, this site largely dies without GD. I am guessing but based on posting velocity GD accounts for the bulk of the traffic here. And totally agree OP. This place has gotten tons less interesting and fun as it's gotten locked down. View Quote |
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Quoted: I don't think this is some epic battle to be regaled over. This is simply customers -vs- customer service, at this point. View Quote With regard to GD, if it's a customer service issue, can I send GD back to the kitchen because the way they're cooking it now is too red in the center? |
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I was replying to a reference to "history". With regard to GD, if it's a customer service issue, can I send GD back to the kitchen because the way they're cooking it now is too red in the center? View Quote Regarding GD: Yeah, you can send it back - it doesn't mean it will come out better :) The cooks may spit in the food, though |
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Wait, are you guys saying that the rules apply to popular members too? View Quote If people want a place with no or little GD guidelines go to offtopic.com or somethingaweful. Ar15 has always been a place that has had posting guidelines. They are being enforced more often and more evenly no matter who you are - even ppl who think they are above the rules because reasons. But the rules have always been there. At least since I have been here. Personally I don't care who someone is. If they act like they are above the rules or should get a pass due to post count or length of service I find them a pos for the most part. |
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The proliferation of these threads recently reminds me of the fucking Democrats and their lapdog liberal media trying to talk down the economy. Bring up the topic enough, beat people over the head with it often enough, more and more people jump in because they want to be cool, too, and it eventually has the desired impact.
Sad that some of the participants in these site bitch/gripe threads readily acknowledge how the left does that in threads about the economy and the upcoming election, but you can't see yourselves doing the same thing to this site. Even worse, though, you're actually using the resources provided by the very site that you're attacking to run it in the ground. Muh free speech, though, so keep on running it down. SMFH |
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Videos of Marines and soldiers getting blown the fuck up by road side bombs and their bodies ejected 200 feet in the air from the gunners turret? Aok. Refugees attack British cop, not ok Makes me sick View Quote |
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Right-wing means supporting the status quo, maintaining traditional policies and values, and nationalism. Left-wing is about equality and providing as much individual liberty while also being progressive on a global scale. View Quote You've got to be shitting me. Conservatism in this country (because we have a tradition of liberty) and arguably Liberalism have been about providing as much individual liberty as possible, but Leftism has never been so. Leftism's stated goal is equality of outcome. The fact is, equality of outcome and liberty are mutually exclusive. Men may be equal in the eyes of God, and they should be equal before the law, but they aren't blessed with equal talents so in a free society the outcomes will be decidedly unequal. The only way you can obtain equality of outcome is to empower the government with extremely coercive powers that are liberally used to overcome the unequal distribution of talents found in any group of humans. Leftism, with it's speech codes, quotas, and unrestrained government power has *never* been about liberty. |
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@ZMV You've got to be shitting me. Conservatism in this country (because we have a tradition of liberty) and arguably Liberalism have been about providing as much individual liberty as possible, but Leftism has never been so. Leftism's stated goal is equality of outcome. The fact is, equality of outcome and liberty are mutually exclusive. Men may be equal in the eyes of God, and they should be equal before the law, but they aren't blessed with equal talents so in a free society the outcomes will be decidedly unequal. The only way you can obtain equality of outcome is to empower the government with extremely coercive powers that are liberally used to overcome the unequal distribution of talents found in any group of humans. Leftism, with it's speech codes, quotas, and unrestrained government power has *never* been about liberty. View Quote He simply could NOT be more wrong. |
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What is wrong with me considering the vast majority of U.S.A's democrats are commies at heart???
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