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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:50:01 PM EDT
 Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:50:44 PM EDT
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Not bad....for a commie plane.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:53:09 PM EDT
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I thought some countries installed western weapons and avionics.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:53:27 PM EDT
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As a slight tangent the Mig-21 module for DCS World has recently been released with incredibly accurate modeling.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:55:53 PM EDT
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I thought some countries installed western weapons and avionics. I read that the Israelis made some pretty decent coin for a few years upgrading former WaPa MiG-21s. Funny how the MiG-21 seems to have stayed in service longer than the MiG-23/27. I've read the Fishbed described as the 'AK47 of Supersonic Aircraft' before. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:59:02 PM EDT
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I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21.
Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:00:16 PM EDT
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and for 70,000 you can have one of your own.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:00:26 PM EDT
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:07:06 PM EDT
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I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. I read that the NVA actually had more success with the MiG-17. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:07:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:21:11 PM EDT
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The YF-110.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:41:14 PM EDT
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Had the US been allowed to fight the fight that their technological advantages would have allowed,there would have been far more MiGs shot down in Vietnam and fewer losses from them.
Don't just look at Vietnam,look at everywhere 21s fought and they're decidedly mediocre Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:44:35 PM EDT
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Had the US been allowed to fight the fight that their technological advantages would have allowed,there would have been far more MiGs shot down in Vietnam and fewer losses from them. Don't just look at Vietnam,look at everywhere 21s fought and they're decidedly mediocre Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That is my take reading on it. Reasonably fast, and built is mass quantity. Really is kind of like an AK 47 of the commie aircraft world. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:45:57 PM EDT
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Had the US been allowed to fight the fight that their technological advantages would have allowed,there would have been far more MiGs shot down in Vietnam and fewer losses from them. Don't just look at Vietnam,look at everywhere 21s fought and they're decidedly mediocre Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile See also Operation Bolo. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:46:57 PM EDT
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and for 70,000 you can have one of your own. Oh yeah? 
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:47:31 PM EDT
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... Saber flying with a Mig Faggot
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:47:48 PM EDT
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I was pulling reports about neurosurgery, and I noticed this one doctor had both a PH.d and and MD, and he had a cool name. So I googled him, and it turns out he owns his own MiG-17 and a P-51:
The interview starts at 5:25 |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:48:58 PM EDT
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Hungarians were operating Mig21s fairly recently. When we redeployed from Bosnia in late 1996, the staging area for US IFOR forces was at a Hungarian airbase in Taszar Hungary. We would watch the Mig21s take off and land all day long. Apparently, they couldn't afford to fly them very much until we set up shop there. They were supposed to be replacing their Mig21s and Mig29s with some Saab fighter. Not sure where they are with that.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:08:52 PM EDT
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The YF-110. Correct. YF-110G |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:21:34 PM EDT
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Robin Olds for the win.
I always liked the lines of the Mig 21. Had some cool paint schemes. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:22:24 PM EDT
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 http://youtu.be/JumGR-lnmkI Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes.Some air forces still operate them as front line aircraft. I believe India, for example, isn't due to retire most of theirs until sometime next year. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some air forces still operate them as front line aircraft. I believe India, for example, isn't due to retire most of theirs until sometime next year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://youtu.be/JumGR-lnmkI Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes.Some air forces still operate them as front line aircraft. I believe India, for example, isn't due to retire most of theirs until sometime next year. Amazing that I posted the link to an article on Indian MiG-21's and you didn't bother to read it.   |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:31:31 PM EDT
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I read that the NVA actually had more success with the MiG-17. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. I read that the NVA actually had more success with the MiG-17. I think I've heard the same thing, that the MiG-17's were more maneuverable. Their favorite way to attack American planes was from above with all guns blazing on a pass then try to get out of there if they could. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 5:35:04 PM EDT
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I always though of it as the "T-62" of jets
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:10:46 PM EDT
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Both the -21 and -23 had some nasty handling characteristics. I flew with a guy who knew a lot about flying Soviet aircraft.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:15:19 PM EDT
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Aside from a handful of MiG-29s, the Fishbed is the top of the line aircraft for the Norks. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:16:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:17:20 PM EDT
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We had a bunch up on the range in Nevada during the 80's. It was explained to me that it was a 100 hour (mission) fighter. I know the Red Hats spent many a long hour making parts to keep them flying.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:20:10 PM EDT
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I've seen a few fairly close-up. Our helo hangar at Phnom Penh airport when I was a forest ranger was right on the Royal Cambodian Air Force flight line (Pochentong Air Base). None of them are operational.
 They do some helo maintenance and the VIP squadron is there. That was the first place I ever saw an Mi-26. That is one BIG honkin' helo.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:22:42 PM EDT
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They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Wasn't talking about their safety record. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:24:00 PM EDT
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Isn't that what drove the Navy to start the Top Gun school? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. I believe that the 21 was one of the reasons the ball got rolling. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:25:47 PM EDT
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I read that the NVA actually had more success with the MiG-17. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. I read that the NVA actually had more success with the MiG-17. VPAF. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:25:54 PM EDT
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"It is based on the MiG-21 as many of you guys know from the Vietnam (War) era, but upgraded with an F-16 radar built by the Israelis in the nose, active radar missile, and they carry an Israeli jammer on it would practically make them invisible to our legacy radar in the F-15 and F-16."
"MiG-21 had the capability to get into the scissors with you, 110 knots, 60 degrees nose high, go from 10,000 feet to 20,000 feet, very maneuverable airplane, but it didn't have any good weapons. Now it has high off bore sight Archer missile, helmet mounted sight, active missile, and a jammer that gets it into the merge, good radar..." - a USAF observation from an exercise sometime back on the upgraded -21s from India |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:27:19 PM EDT
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Amazing that I posted the link to an article on Indian MiG-21's and you didn't bother to read it.
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http://youtu.be/JumGR-lnmkI Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes.Some air forces still operate them as front line aircraft. I believe India, for example, isn't due to retire most of theirs until sometime next year. Amazing that I posted the link to an article on Indian MiG-21's and you didn't bother to read it.
Eh, I was quoting the OP and hadn't read the rest of the thread yet. I'm an American! And you know what reading an entire thread before chiming in is for!
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:31:44 PM EDT
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Technology and performance aside, it did have some beautiful lines.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:44:52 PM EDT
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As a slight tangent the Mig-21 module for DCS World has recently been released with incredibly accurate modeling. It's pretty fun. It also shows you just how limited the aircraft is, and how many quirks that it had. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:52:14 PM EDT
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It's pretty fun. It also shows you just how limited the aircraft is, and how many quirks that it had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a slight tangent the Mig-21 module for DCS World has recently been released with incredibly accurate modeling. It's pretty fun. It also shows you just how limited the aircraft is, and how many quirks that it had. I haven't bought anything since the UH-1 came out. Although some F-86 vs Mig-15 fights are tempting. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 6:57:21 PM EDT
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I haven't bought anything since the UH-1 came out. Although some F-86 vs Mig-15 fights are tempting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a slight tangent the Mig-21 module for DCS World has recently been released with incredibly accurate modeling. It's pretty fun. It also shows you just how limited the aircraft is, and how many quirks that it had. I haven't bought anything since the UH-1 came out. Although some F-86 vs Mig-15 fights are tempting. They are going to release a high fidelty MiG 15 module. They posted some WIP screens on Facebook. Do get the MiG 21 module though, it's very challenging and detailed. Come with a 181 page PDF manual. The whole aircraft is interesting. How the radar and navigation systems work is, uhm, also very interesting. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:13:42 PM EDT
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Always loved the looks of that bird.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:17:45 PM EDT
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Better than Washing Machine Charlie.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a show just yesterday talking about the 21. Some of the guys interviewed in the show were military and govt guys from that era. They were saying that plane was thought to be terrifyingly good and killed a lot of Phantoms and Thuds. Until a defector landed at a base with one. The test pilots and subsequent tear down proved it was pretty blah. The reason it was seemingly so good was the fact that the American pilots had no training on how to counter it. The Contstant peg program had americans flying captured, bought, and stolen MiGs against american pilots in red flag, etc. The 4477th TES guys never hesitated to show a cocky eagle driver how they could smoke his ass if he made mistakes. Among the MiGs they had, the most loved to fly were the older models, the visibility was better and they were a good deal lighter and so they were much more nimble.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:19:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "It is based on the MiG-21 as many of you guys know from the Vietnam (War) era, but upgraded with an F-16 radar built by the Israelis in the nose, active radar missile, and they carry an Israeli jammer on it would practically make them invisible to our legacy radar in the F-15 and F-16." "MiG-21 had the capability to get into the scissors with you, 110 knots, 60 degrees nose high, go from 10,000 feet to 20,000 feet, very maneuverable airplane, but it didn't have any good weapons. Now it has high off bore sight Archer missile, helmet mounted sight, active missile, and a jammer that gets it into the merge, good radar..." - a USAF observation from an exercise sometime back on the upgraded -21s from India I saw the video of that briefing, it was really interesting!
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are junk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. Give people who dont know what they are doing F-22's to maintain, and they could junk them in a year or less too |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:35:37 PM EDT
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They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Everything India has is junk. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:40:05 PM EDT
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In a world of PC, I will still say......
"The Only Good Commie, is a DEAD Commie"!
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Posted: 12/14/2014 7:47:52 PM EDT
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Everything India has is junk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Everything India has is junk. 
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Posted: 12/14/2014 8:00:16 PM EDT
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Everything India has is junk. https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rbi-blogs/wp-content/uploads/mt/flightglobalweb/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2013/06/c-17%20560-thumb-560x331-178339.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8204/8274341746_1f830cd035_z.jpg Maintained by the nation that can't even make functional small arms or ammunition. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 8:09:09 PM EDT
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http://youtu.be/JumGR-lnmkI Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes.Thanks. Always appreciate your posts. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 8:20:09 PM EDT
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Speaking of DCS, here's the trailer for it. Some people might not like that it shows a Hustler and Aardvark get eviscerated, though.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 8:23:07 PM EDT
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If I were rich, I'd buy one.
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