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Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:51:59 PM EST
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Something about the Russian psychic requires a strong man to rule over them.  Not that any sane culture would want a coward or weakling to lead them; But, since the Golden hord, the Russians seem to have coalesced around(or tolerated) assholes and thugs as their leaders.  It's still better to have a thuggish asshole neighbor a mile down the road, than to be stuck sharing a bed w/ a back-stabbing commie bitch.
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Through fear of the consequences of instability, people will support any figure that promises stability, even at the expense of freedom. Freedom is instability, and with instability comes an insecurity that removes true freedom, making one a slave to near term security interests, knocking them down several pegs on Maslow’s hierarchy.

As Orwell put it, Freedom is Slavery.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:52:03 PM EST
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The fact that liberals are currently using Russia as a giant boogeyman tells me that Russia is probably not as bad as many would have you believe.

Ask yourself this. If Trump were to fly out to a public venue to give a speech, would he get better reception by citizens in the UK or the people of Russia?

Trump hasn't gone to the UK because he knows he'll get shit on by just about everyone.

Ask yourself the same question but with Hollywood, San Fran, Boston, Berkeley, or just about any major US university or liberal city. Would he get better reception in those American places or would he get better reception in Russia?

I have a feeling the Russian people would respect him far more, whereas in America morons would show up in droves with their pussy hats and middle fingers to let him know just how much they hate him, the people who voted for him and the constitution that this country was founded on. That tells you all you need to know.

Our greatest threats are from within and it's laughable to think otherwise.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:53:28 PM EST
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Is this the nation state version of the Stockholm Syndrome?
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uh... yeah... because they are patriots (russian patriots) and putin is their president.

you... you do realize that large, nationalistic groups of people tend to support their own leaders, right?

that's like saying we have an inherent quarrel with russia because we support trump instead of putin. it's mind-boggling that you would type that, really...
Is this the nation state version of the Stockholm Syndrome?
Yeah I agree. Other countries should put OUR intererests above their own...

Any country that cares about themselves rather than helping us... are *COMMUNISTS*.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:55:44 PM EST
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ArmyInfVet - I think the UriNation and Soros are a greater threat than Russia.

Our politicians have sold us out.  Dubya's Patriot Act is anything but patriotic and American with its crotch groping Touch Some Arse.  I don't think anyone like George Washington would stand by while a stranger groped Martha.  Now throw in the NDAA '12 which allows under a declared emergency gives federal agencies the power to seize anything they want from the cotton in your socks to the sugar in your cupboard. They can even force us to work on farms.  Thanks Congress and 0.  Peter Schiff has a video that mentioned this back in 2011.

I also think that the greatest threat our way of life started from within when the Fed Res began destroying the petro-dollar with quantitative easing.  Today we are so vulnerable because no one wants to buy our Treasuries anymore.  Once the petro-dollar goes, so does our way of life.  Right now the Chinese are looking to buy a big share of Aramco and if they do, they'll put someone on the BoD.  Once that happens, Saudi Arabia will announce they'll also accept the Yuan for their oil.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:56:28 PM EST
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The fact that liberals are currently using Russia as a giant boogeyman tells me that Russia is probably not as bad as many would have you believe.

Ask yourself this. If Trump were to fly out to a public venue to give a speech, would he get better reception by citizens in the UK or the people of Russia?

Trump hasn't gone to the UK because he knows he'll get shit on by just about everyone.

Ask yourself the same question but with Hollywood, San Fran, Boston, Berkeley, or just about any major US university or liberal city. Would he get better reception in those American places or would he get better reception in Russia?

I have a feeling the Russian people would respect him far more. That tells you all you need to know.

Our greatest threats are from within and it's laughable to think otherwise.
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That is the most asinine logic I have heard in, well, at least a day in GD.

The Dems are clinging to the Russia narrative because they are clinging to anything they hope might stick. It wasn’t that long ago in the Obama-Romney debates that the Dems were dismissing the threat from Russia as Cold War politics. Heck, as recently as this recent campaign, Clinton’s cronies were dismissing the Clinton,wil scandal with the idea that no sophisticated adversary would have interest or advantage in snooping on her e-mail. How quickly that narrative changed. How quickly folks on the right have gone full derp to now be the ones dismissing the threat from Russia.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:56:45 PM EST
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So many truth bombs in this thread.
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So, how much is Putin paying you? I want to compare rates
Based on everything I've heard you say thus far on this forum you are an amateur or professional agent of russia. I'm going to make sure everyone knows it to too whenever the opportunity arises. You're buddy bland85 is similar except less talented and/or an idiot.
So many truth bombs in this thread.
Really no different than the troll farm accounts here that had russian IP addys. lol
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:57:04 PM EST
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Fundamentally, Russia’s interests have not changed. They want a weakened West that can not interfere with their geopolitical ambitions. Containment policy put that in check beginning 1947 and led to the Cold War. NATO and US presence continues to check that ambition today. Russia continues to step up its information campaign to get westerners to turn against such institutions and policies.

When so much of the Right parrots Russian bullshit about NATO, seeks to undermine the alliance or even have the US abandon it, complains that US policies are unduly provoking Russia, or even propping up our shared societies natural enemies (see every Syria thread and the talking point s asserting the US backs or even created ISIS), then we have a useful idiots problem. Calling such institutions the tools of the western Left, even as the western Left remains their biggest enemies, is one aspect of that messaging as it targets the western Right.

Not being able to see through it is the result of willful ignorance.
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No, its willful apathy. I dont give a shit about Russia, we're still the preeminent global superpower, and we have more important shit to worry about at home than Russia's incompetent ambitions.

Oh, by the way, yeah, fuck Syria- fight your own war, fuck the rest of the middle east- we've got natural gas to drill for here, fuck NATO- pay for your own defense and keep your globalist bullshit.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:57:39 PM EST
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Ideological restraints kept Russian information operations pretty much restricted to the Left for decades. The removal of these means they have unrestrained opportunities to successfully target both these days
.(Here, Boer Adam frames the argument that Russia, or Russian agents are now playing both sides
Fostering and propping up their old allies on the Left, while simultaneously appealing to the Right by using those very Leftist groups as strawmen examples of what Western freedoms, unchecked, let happen.
( Here, Boer Adam gives an example of how these Russians are doing it)

In this very thread, we see how hilariously well these messages resonate with the useful idiots crowd.
(Here, is where we identify who is being duped by "RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA!!!" that just so happens to be true)
So Im a communist useful idiot for seeing the modern American left as communist useful idiots?
Go fuck yourself.
Well you really are a tard.

Didn't learn reading comprehension back in grade school eh?
And you once again proved me right kid.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:58:10 PM EST
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very well said. And that's...why...people side with Russia.

People side with those who have self-respect, who fight for themselves, who fight for their interest.

In the meantime, most of the Western world's politicians hate their countries, despise their people, would rather ethnically cleanse their own population and replace them with shitholers, and most certainly don't have their people's interests at heart.

CNN-watching boomers may lash out at this all they want. But it's the facts. You don't have to like Putin or Russia. Go ahead, hate them all you want. But they have self-respect. And "you" don't.  And nobody is going to respect or be on the side of a people who are committing national suicide.
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i don't like putin, i don't admire him. but i most certainly do not "hate" him because he's doing the same thing for his people that many of our leaders believe we ought to be doing for our own. if you are a russian president, you aren't going to be doing anything for the russian people by being subservient to the western world's demands. you and i might not like what putin does but you and i most certainly would do what putin is doing if we were russians and considered ourselves russian patriots in the way we consider ourselves american patriots now. that is the perspective that i look at the russian situation from.
very well said. And that's...why...people side with Russia.

People side with those who have self-respect, who fight for themselves, who fight for their interest.

In the meantime, most of the Western world's politicians hate their countries, despise their people, would rather ethnically cleanse their own population and replace them with shitholers, and most certainly don't have their people's interests at heart.

CNN-watching boomers may lash out at this all they want. But it's the facts. You don't have to like Putin or Russia. Go ahead, hate them all you want. But they have self-respect. And "you" don't.  And nobody is going to respect or be on the side of a people who are committing national suicide.
I also side with Russia, because they haven't cucked out to Radical Islam like the EU and half of America.
Russia is willing to kill terrorists, AND kill them with extreme prejudice. Do I like everything Russia does? No. Russia, for instance, holds the value of human life to be extremely low. They are also extremely corrupt. But to be fair, I'm not so sure we are that much better than them. I just think our country has better PR.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:58:19 PM EST
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The fact that liberals are currently using Russia as a giant boogeyman tells me that Russia is probably not as bad as many would have you believe.

Ask yourself this. If Trump were to fly out to a public venue to give a speech, would he get better reception by citizens in the UK or the people of Russia?

Trump hasn't gone to the UK because he knows he'll get shit on by just about everyone.

Ask yourself the same question but with Hollywood, San Fran, Boston, Berkeley, or just about any major US university or liberal city. Would he get better reception in those American places or would he get better reception in Russia?

I have a feeling the Russian people would respect him far more, whereas in America morons would show up in droves with their pussy hats and middle fingers to let him know how much they hate him, the people who voted for him and the constitution that this country was founded on. That tells you all you need to know.

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Nice except Russians don't share a single value with you.

If Europe is Mars, Russia is some speck on the edge of the expanding universe.

Modern day Russians literally value life less than zombie Hitler.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:58:24 PM EST
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Russia is our rival.... no disagreement there. They want to beat us on everything.

But the thing is, I respect Russia for that. They dropped the bullshit stance of being equal and went back to wanting to be great.

Every nation should strive to be the best instead of striving to be equal. We need to strive to be the best.
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Some who are not the best, but want to be the best, will take a shot at knocking down their betters when they think they can get away with it. That's Russia. They've always been behind the west and have always resented it. Putin is an old Soviet. He will take whatever shot he can get, at whatever target advances his agenda, including the U.S.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:58:24 PM EST
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I trust Putin more than I trust the American media.

And I don’t trust Putin.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:58:49 PM EST
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The fact that liberals are currently using Russia as a giant boogeyman tells me that Russia is probably not as bad as many would have you believe.
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The funny part is that Republicans used Russia as a bogeyman up until maybe 3-5 years ago. Remember when Hillary had the "Reset Button" and Obama said something along the lines of "1980s called, they want their foreign policy back (as in Russia isn't a threat anymore)."

Now the same fucking idiots who said that Russia isn't a threat are trying to tell us that the Russians ARE a threat.

It's comical.
Link Posted: 2/10/2018 11:59:47 PM EST
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Right, Russia is the one fanning the flames in the US. I guess Russia turned most US cities into third world hellholes.

I thought conservatives were for personal responsibility? But I guess the temptation to blame others is too strong.

So, is the 2 minutes of hate over yet?
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You do realize that those are the exact "X vs X" feelings that Russia is spending time/money on stirring up in the US right?

They have been doing it here before CNN even existed...
Right, Russia is the one fanning the flames in the US. I guess Russia turned most US cities into third world hellholes.

I thought conservatives were for personal responsibility? But I guess the temptation to blame others is too strong.

So, is the 2 minutes of hate over yet?
Talking in circles at this point?

Just be honest, are you a 15 year old on mom's PC or just running out of approved copy-paste material at the troll farm cubicle?
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:00:14 AM EST
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Nice except Russians don't share a single value with you.

If Europe is Mars, Russia is some speck on the edge of the expanding universe.

Modern day Russians literally value life less than zombie Hitler.
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Now do Europe.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:00:27 AM EST
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Nice except Russians don't share a single value with you.

If Europe is Mars, Russia is some speck on the edge of the expanding universe.

Modern day Russians literally value life less than zombie Hitler.
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LOL
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:00:41 AM EST
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No he didn't.

That's what I'm saying.

Please provide me with an exact quote to prove me wrong.
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How did you read Nietzsche and miss the theme of the nihilistic crisis?

How did you read ME and miss that's what I'm talking about?

From Will To Power

"Socialism ? or the tyranny of the meanest and the most brainless, ?that is to say, the superficial, the envious, and the mummers, brought to its zenith, ?is, as a matter of fact, the logical conclusion of “modern ideas” and their latent anarchy: but in the genial atmosphere of democratic well-being the capacity for forming resolutions or even for coming to an end at all, is paralysed. Men follow?but no longer their reason. That is why socialism is on the whole a hopelessly bitter affair: and there is nothing more amusing than to observe the discord between the poisonous and desperate faces of present-day socialists?and what wretched and nonsensical feelings does not their style reveal to us! ?and the childish lamblike happiness of their hopes and desires. Nevertheless, in many places in Europe, there may be violent hand-to-hand struggles and irruptions on their account: the coming century is likely to be convulsed in more than one spot... In fact, I even wish a few experiments might be made to show that in socialistic society life denies itself, and itself cuts away its own roots. The earth is big enough and man is still unexhausted enough for a practical lesson of this sort and demonstratio ad absurdum? even if it were accomplished only by a vast expenditure of lives...
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:01:21 AM EST
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You do realize that those are the exact "X vs X" feelings that Russia is spending time/money on stirring up in the US right?

They have been doing it here before CNN even existed...
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You Russia lovers have no idea what "divide and conquer" means. lol
That's exactly what the MSM here in America is doing to the American people.

left v. right
boomers v. gen-x/millennials
blacks v. whites
Latinos v. whites
gheys v. straights

Like Herr Professor suggested, shut off the CNN and the rest of the MSM
You do realize that those are the exact "X vs X" feelings that Russia is spending time/money on stirring up in the US right?

They have been doing it here before CNN even existed...
Exactly.

FR
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:01:33 AM EST
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Talking in circles at this point?

Just be honest, are you a 15 year old on mom's PC or just running out of approved copy-paste material at the troll farm cubicle?
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Strong projection.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:02:04 AM EST
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Russia is a known entity, they strive for what will make them greater just like we should, without apologizing for doing so.

Their greatest enemy is also our greatest enemy and no, it's not the useful idiot muslims being encouraged, armed and duped only to be used as cannon fodder and agents of global chaos by the facilitators of a new world order.

Russia is far down my list of enemies that need immediate attention. Those on the top of my "entities that present the most danger to our republic" list are right here among us.

Shifting the focus off of them and onto a known entity who is and has been constantly under heavy scrutiny is nothing short of an enabling action to those enemies among us.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:02:20 AM EST
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Through fear of the consequences of instability, people will support any figure that promises stability, even at the expense of freedom. Freedom is instability, and with instability comes an insecurity that removes true freedom, making one a slave to near term security interests, knocking them down several pegs on Maslow’s hierarchy.

As Orwell put it, Freedom is Slavery.
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Something about the Russian psychic requires a strong man to rule over them.  Not that any sane culture would want a coward or weakling to lead them; But, since the Golden hord, the Russians seem to have coalesced around(or tolerated) assholes and thugs as their leaders.  It's still better to have a thuggish asshole neighbor a mile down the road, than to be stuck sharing a bed w/ a back-stabbing commie bitch.
Through fear of the consequences of instability, people will support any figure that promises stability, even at the expense of freedom. Freedom is instability, and with instability comes an insecurity that removes true freedom, making one a slave to near term security interests, knocking them down several pegs on Maslow’s hierarchy.

As Orwell put it, Freedom is Slavery.
Funny the parallel to our self-described "staunch small govt. conservatives" here that always call for the same strongman in other threads.

I wonder why their current propaganda material works so well on those types...
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:02:25 AM EST
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That is the most asinine logic I have heard in, well, at least a day in GD.

The Dems are clinging to the Russia narrative because they are clinging to anything they hope might stick. It wasn't that long ago in the Obama-Romney debates that the Dems were dismissing the threat from Russia as Cold War politics. Heck, as recently as this recent campaign, Clinton's cronies were dismissing the Clinton,wil scandal with the idea that no sophisticated adversary would have interest or advantage in snooping on her e-mail. How quickly that narrative changed. How quickly folks on the right have gone full derp to now be the ones dismissing the threat from Russia.
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Do you believe Russia currently poses a greater threat to the United States than our own socialist citizens and Democrats?

What is Russia going to do to us now? Seems like if they really wanted to fuck us up they'd have rigged the election for Comrade Bernie.

The fact is, if Trump were to give a speech in Russia, he'd get more respect than he would in most major US universities or liberal cities.
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And you once again proved me right kid.
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Ideological restraints kept Russian information operations pretty much restricted to the Left for decades. The removal of these means they have unrestrained opportunities to successfully target both these days
.(Here, Boer Adam frames the argument that Russia, or Russian agents are now playing both sides
Fostering and propping up their old allies on the Left, while simultaneously appealing to the Right by using those very Leftist groups as strawmen examples of what Western freedoms, unchecked, let happen.
( Here, Boer Adam gives an example of how these Russians are doing it)

In this very thread, we see how hilariously well these messages resonate with the useful idiots crowd.
(Here, is where we identify who is being duped by "RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA!!!" that just so happens to be true)
So Im a communist useful idiot for seeing the modern American left as communist useful idiots?
Go fuck yourself.
Well you really are a tard.

Didn't learn reading comprehension back in grade school eh?
And you once again proved me right kid.
Educate me, oh wise elder.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:03:09 AM EST
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The funny part is that Republicans used Russia as a bogeyman up until maybe 3-5 years ago. Remember when Hillary had the "Reset Button" and Obama said something along the lines of "1980s called, they want their foreign policy back (as in Russia isn't a threat anymore)."

Now the same fucking idiots who said that Russia isn't a threat are trying to tell us that the Russians ARE a threat.

It's comical.
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The same guys out to destroy Russia want the US destroyed too. The guy who wrote about the importance of using the Ukraine as a geopolitical “pivot” to bring down Russia back in 1997 also wrote that Americans have too much political freedom to ever deserve primacy, then he aligned himself with globalist jackasses like Soros and was a top foreign policy advisor to Obama and he was a former US National Security Advisor. Global power for elites (empire) and Marxism for the masses...

Traditional sovereign super powers are a threat to globalism, that includes us.
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How did you read Nietzsche and miss the theme of the nihilistic crisis?

How did you read ME and miss that's what I'm talking about?

From Will To Power

"Socialism ? or the tyranny of the meanest and the most brainless, ?that is to say, the superficial, the envious, and the mummers, brought to its zenith, ?is, as a matter of fact, the logical conclusion of “modern ideas” and their latent anarchy: but in the genial atmosphere of democratic well-being the capacity for forming resolutions or even for coming to an end at all, is paralysed. Men follow?but no longer their reason. That is why socialism is on the whole a hopelessly bitter affair: and there is nothing more amusing than to observe the discord between the poisonous and desperate faces of present-day socialists?and what wretched and nonsensical feelings does not their style reveal to us! ?and the childish lamblike happiness of their hopes and desires. Nevertheless, in many places in Europe, there may be violent hand-to-hand struggles and irruptions on their account: the coming century is likely to be convulsed in more than one spot... In fact, I even wish a few experiments might be made to show that in socialistic society life denies itself, and itself cuts away its own roots. The earth is big enough and man is still unexhausted enough for a practical lesson of this sort and demonstratio ad absurdum? even if it were accomplished only by a vast expenditure of lives...
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That's some weird copy pasta.
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Russia is a known entity, they strive for what will make them greater just like we should, with about apologizing for doing so.

Their greatest enemy is also our greatest enemy and no, it's not the millions of useful idiot muslim being used as cannon fodder by the facilitators of a new world order.

Russia is far down my list of enemies that need immediate attention. Those on the top of my "entities that present the most danger to our republic" list are right here among us.

Shifting the focus off of them and onto a known entity who is under constant scrutiny is nothing short of enabling those enemies among us.
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The ironic part is that we have real, honest-to-God commies marching around here in America yet these knuckleheads want us to believe that the Russians' rustbucket military complex and bald midget overlord are a bigger threat.
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So many FSB trolls in here.
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I also side with Russia, because they haven't cucked out to Radical Islam like the EU and half of America.
Russia is willing to kill terrorists, AND kill them with extreme prejudice. Do I like everything Russia does? No. Russia, for instance, holds the value of human life to be extremely low. They are also extremely corrupt. But to be fair, I'm not so sure we are that much better than them. I just think our country has better PR.
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i don't like putin, i don't admire him. but i most certainly do not "hate" him because he's doing the same thing for his people that many of our leaders believe we ought to be doing for our own. if you are a russian president, you aren't going to be doing anything for the russian people by being subservient to the western world's demands. you and i might not like what putin does but you and i most certainly would do what putin is doing if we were russians and considered ourselves russian patriots in the way we consider ourselves american patriots now. that is the perspective that i look at the russian situation from.
very well said. And that's...why...people side with Russia.

People side with those who have self-respect, who fight for themselves, who fight for their interest.

In the meantime, most of the Western world's politicians hate their countries, despise their people, would rather ethnically cleanse their own population and replace them with shitholers, and most certainly don't have their people's interests at heart.

CNN-watching boomers may lash out at this all they want. But it's the facts. You don't have to like Putin or Russia. Go ahead, hate them all you want. But they have self-respect. And "you" don't.  And nobody is going to respect or be on the side of a people who are committing national suicide.
I also side with Russia, because they haven't cucked out to Radical Islam like the EU and half of America.
Russia is willing to kill terrorists, AND kill them with extreme prejudice. Do I like everything Russia does? No. Russia, for instance, holds the value of human life to be extremely low. They are also extremely corrupt. But to be fair, I'm not so sure we are that much better than them. I just think our country has better PR.
There is zero fundamental difference between Russia’s and most Western countries’ policies wrt Islam and Islamic immigration.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-mosque/putin-opens-moscows-largest-mosque-warns-against-extremists-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923

What you believe is based on reading things targeted to you by people playing you for a fool.

If you want to find countries actually resisting Muslim immigration and standing up against the “Islam is a peaceful religion” narrative, you will find them in NATO countries like Poland and Hungary - countries which, interestingly enough, are under immense political and economic pressure from Russia.
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It ain’t Russia that’s blocking freeways in America when people try to get to work.  No Russians are staging riots with red flags in American cities.  Russians aren’t shooting up American schools, churches, concert venues and shopping malls.  Russians aren’t killing American cops.  Russians aren’t selling heroin and meth to American kids.  Russians aren’t setting off bombs in Times Square or flying airplanes into our buildings.  Russians aren’t calling Americans “deplorable”.  Russians didn’t pass Obamacare.

Russians are far less concerned with you than you are with them.
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lol

You must have missed the chapter in HS European history class about the Tatars and Kazakhs. Weak propaganda is weak.
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I trust Putin more than I trust the American media.

And I don’t trust Putin.
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Well said.
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The Russian govt and military loves A-mer-eek-uh!

I bet if we put troops on the border, we'd dance and drink together!
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Is it just me or do some of you fucks actually believe Russia is still communist?

Russians like Putin because he works in their interest. It's the same reason we like Trump and the same reason everyone else in the world hates both of them.

However, it's important to note that Putin isn't controlling the government. There's a complex web of oligarchs and other actors within the Russian government that force Putin to do their bidding. I suggest you all take a look at this book.

www.amazon.com/dp/1610397398
The Russian govt and military loves A-mer-eek-uh!

I bet if we put troops on the border, we'd dance and drink together!
No, they just want to continue existing. They don't want to be forced to swallow the blue pill of Neo-Liberalism, open up their borders to third world TRASH, that think rape is a viable past time and enjoy cutting people's heads off.

Between the EU and Russia, I think the EU is the bigger threat. This is mostly due to the fact that the EU is given undue respect. At least with the Russian government, we know they are mostly corrupt and can't be 100% trusted. But people stick their head in the sand and pretend the EU is this super democratic beautiful Utopia that America needs to emulate. Heck what a sad thing that Bush didn't get to enact his wet dream of a North American Union

Because what a wonderful world we would live in, if you could be arrested for criticizing the super-state's immigration policies. What a wonderful world we could live in, if politicians can jail you simply for criticizing them.

Whatever you can say about the Russians, ... you can certainly say about the EU. The problem is, the world ACCEPTS the truth about Russia, but acts like you're a crazy conspiracy theorist retard if you believe the truth about the EU. For that reason, the EU is a bigger threat.

The guy you know is sketchy is always less of a threat than the sketchy guy you don't know about.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:09:21 AM EST
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Raise a family safely
be secure in their possessions
be left the fuck alone
Holds true for most people
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I would wager I have more in common with the average rural Russian than the average urban American.
That doesnt mean Im going to trust him without safeguards.
 I have seen several of you say this. Could you please list all these similarities you have with the rural Russian?  Genuinely, I am curious.
Raise a family safely
be secure in their possessions
be left the fuck alone
Holds true for most people
+1
It's the governments and politicians that want control and to run your lives; by any means necessary.
The majority of the population couldn't care less about the other side of the world.
They want to raise their families and live reasonably comfortable with a future.
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While these fucking morons seize control of the country, take our guns, regulate industries out of existence, arrest people for using the wrong gender pronouns and plunge us all into a tyrannical socialist authoritarian state, some of you will still be yelling at clouds and thinking Russia is our biggest threat.








Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:10:44 AM EST
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The FBI and the swamp are a bigger threat to the American people than Russia.
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There is zero fundamental difference between Russia's and most Western countries' policies wrt Islam and Islamic immigration.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/66/28/c0/6628c0d309ead3cd1fc475e14951a814.jpg

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-mosque/putin-opens-moscows-largest-mosque-warns-against-extremists-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923

What you believe is based on reading things targeted to you by people playing you for a fool.

If you want to find countries actually resisting Muslim immigration and standing up against the "Islam is a peaceful religion" narrative, you will find them in NATO countries like Poland and Hungary - countries which, interestingly enough, are under immense political and economic pressure from Russia.
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I remember Putin telling the Refugees, that "We don't need you... you need us, so follow our rules" as opposed to the EU where they allow them to rape their women with Impunity. OH and you can be jailed for simply arguing that we shouldn't allow these barbarians in our lands.
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Sums most of the "Muh Russia" idiots we have running around here.

Their threads are always great though because they hit full retard within <3 pages.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:13:37 AM EST
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lol

You must have missed the chapter in HS European history class about the Tatars and Kazakhs. Weak propaganda is weak.
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There is zero fundamental difference between Russia’s and most Western countries’ policies wrt Islam and Islamic immigration.
lol

You must have missed the chapter in HS European history class about the Tatars and Kazakhs. Weak propaganda is weak.
lol

“This work is particularly important today as attempts are undertaken to exploit religious feelings for political purposes,” Putin said during the opening of the mosque, which is said to cost some $170 million.

“We see what’s happening in the Middle East where terrorists of the so-called Islamic State discredit the great world religion, discredit Islam by sowing hate, killing people... destroying the world’s cultural heritage in a barbaric way.”

“Their ideology is built on lies, on open perversion of Islam. They are trying to recruit followers in our country as well.”

Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them.

Russia’s Kremlin-backed Council of Muftis said private donations covered the construction of the mosque, including contributions from Kazakhstan and Turkey, whose President Tayyip Erdogan was present at the opening ceremony.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:13:55 AM EST
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This thread is what's know as a massive fail.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:14:04 AM EST
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While these fucking morons seize control of the country, take our guns, regulate industries out of existence, arrest people for using the wrong gender pronouns and plunge us all into a tyrannical socialist authoritarian state, some of you will still be yelling at clouds and thinking Russia is our biggest threat.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/22/us/22march8/22march8-superJumbo.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/sites/foxnews.com.on-air.special-report-bret-baier/files/immigration.jpg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/dailyprogress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/fa/1fa749a4-e68b-11e6-90bd-df104612b08a/588e96cf19e5d.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C800
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I'm a multifucking mothertasker.  I can literally hate everything at once.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:14:57 AM EST
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The ironic part is that we have real, honest-to-God commies marching around here in America yet these knuckleheads want us to believe that the Russians' rustbucket military complex and bald midget overlord are a bigger threat.
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Russia is a known entity, they strive for what will make them greater just like we should, with about apologizing for doing so.

Their greatest enemy is also our greatest enemy and no, it's not the millions of useful idiot muslim being used as cannon fodder by the facilitators of a new world order.

Russia is far down my list of enemies that need immediate attention. Those on the top of my "entities that present the most danger to our republic" list are right here among us.

Shifting the focus off of them and onto a known entity who is under constant scrutiny is nothing short of enabling those enemies among us.
The ironic part is that we have real, honest-to-God commies marching around here in America yet these knuckleheads want us to believe that the Russians' rustbucket military complex and bald midget overlord are a bigger threat.
Nobody thinks Russia is an imminent threat to U.S. security. The OP's beef is with the folks here who think Russia is or should be a kindred spirit with the U.S.

Russia sees the world as a pie that it wants more of. In
Russia's eyes, the U.S. has more of that pie than anybody else.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:15:13 AM EST
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There is zero fundamental difference between Russia's and most Western countries' policies wrt Islam and Islamic immigration.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/66/28/c0/6628c0d309ead3cd1fc475e14951a814.jpg

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-mosque/putin-opens-moscows-largest-mosque-warns-against-extremists-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923

What you believe is based on reading things targeted to you by people playing you for a fool.

If you want to find countries actually resisting Muslim immigration and standing up against the "Islam is a peaceful religion" narrative, you will find them in NATO countries like Poland and Hungary - countries which, interestingly enough, are under immense political and economic pressure from Russia.
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Even that article you posted, just the headline itself.... implies that Putin understands the connection between Radical Islam and ... Islam. Most of the neo-liberals of the EU and US, would *NEVER* "warn against radicalism" while talking about Islam in general. In their worldview... Muslims are no more predisposed towards violent radicalism than your typical Christian. Or even LESS so.

Russians, it seems, are realists in this regard.
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So you're going to compare Kazakhs and Tatars, with Somalis in Minneapolis?

You really want to do that?
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:15:38 AM EST
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Im curious, by a show of hands, how many of you guys firmly in the "Fuck Russia, kill em all" camp are older than 35?
How many in the "I dont give a shit, we've got commies on our doorstep" camp are under 35?
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That is a shitload of cat ladies.
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Who vote and are more butthurt than ever because they narrowly missed getting their tyrannical mother elected
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:15:55 AM EST
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This thread is what's know as a massive fail.
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You're not my supervisor.

Hell, you're not even my real dad.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:16:07 AM EST
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That is a shitload of cat ladies.
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 Responses like this is why I love coming to GD.  
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The OP's beef is with the folks here who think Russia is a kindred spirit with the U.S.
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So his beef is a strawman? I agree.

That being said, the statement made on page 1 here that the average American probably has more in common with the average Russian than with the average urban "American", is still correct. It's a massively fucked up thing to say, especially because it's true.
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I also side with Russia, because they haven't cucked out to Radical Islam like the EU and half of America.
Russia is willing to kill terrorists, AND kill them with extreme prejudice. Do I like everything Russia does? No. Russia, for instance, holds the value of human life to be extremely low. They are also extremely corrupt. But to be fair, I'm not so sure we are that much better than them. I just think our country has better PR.
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i don't like putin, i don't admire him. but i most certainly do not "hate" him because he's doing the same thing for his people that many of our leaders believe we ought to be doing for our own. if you are a russian president, you aren't going to be doing anything for the russian people by being subservient to the western world's demands. you and i might not like what putin does but you and i most certainly would do what putin is doing if we were russians and considered ourselves russian patriots in the way we consider ourselves american patriots now. that is the perspective that i look at the russian situation from.
very well said. And that's...why...people side with Russia.

People side with those who have self-respect, who fight for themselves, who fight for their interest.

In the meantime, most of the Western world's politicians hate their countries, despise their people, would rather ethnically cleanse their own population and replace them with shitholers, and most certainly don't have their people's interests at heart.

CNN-watching boomers may lash out at this all they want. But it's the facts. You don't have to like Putin or Russia. Go ahead, hate them all you want. But they have self-respect. And "you" don't.  And nobody is going to respect or be on the side of a people who are committing national suicide.
I also side with Russia, because they haven't cucked out to Radical Islam like the EU and half of America.
Russia is willing to kill terrorists, AND kill them with extreme prejudice. Do I like everything Russia does? No. Russia, for instance, holds the value of human life to be extremely low. They are also extremely corrupt. But to be fair, I'm not so sure we are that much better than them. I just think our country has better PR.
Yep, Russia really hates those Islamists. That is why they put them in charge. lol

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