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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:34:21 PM EDT
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that rail is busy!
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:38:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: The real question is, why haven't you accepted SIG Sauer USA as your lord and savior yet? Because I've had SIGs before.  I'll sit this one out until we're sure they've ironed out the wrinkles. Which I do actually expect to go smoothly. But from a practical standpoint, the 5.56 is adequate for the things I use it for, and parts/ammo/tools availability will trump any incremental improvements for a good long while. I'm not buying guns to sit with them on the couch and stroke them while watching TV, and the amount of money this costs could get you a 6.5CM/.260 AR10, a couple of barrels, and enough ammo to shoot out the barrels. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:56:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I don't see bullet weights and design for each graph I call bullshit Why? At the pressure they are running it at it's going to it's going to dominate a standard round. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:57:14 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forward assist with a side charger  Probably a contract requirement |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MCX is a vast improvement to the AR15 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:59:19 PM EDT
[#6]
OP is now too poor to put any sights on it.
Not even flip up sights on it. Otherwise nice rifle. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:59:41 PM EDT
[#7]
Only problem with it, is that its still a Sig.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:17:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is now too poor to put any sights on it. Not even flip up sights on it. Otherwise nice rifle. Don't have the proper mount for the optic yet.  Or, if anyone knows someone at Vortex, and can get me the hookup... 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:27:43 PM EDT
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lots of hate, most just don;t get it. it's a SIG thang! SIG LifeTM! amm-i right?
hope it came with a window sticker. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:30:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lots of hate, most just don;t get it. it's a SIG thang! SIG LifeTM! amm-i right? hope it came with a window sticker. Gonna get a custom one made for my back truck window. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:42:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I did a thread with the Sig MCX. The Sig SPEAR takes all of those improvements, then further improves the platform even more. Is the juice worth the squeeze? I say this because if the ammo becomes popular other manufacturers will make rifles in the caliber. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:43:21 PM EDT
[#12]
arfmil thread
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:55:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: The real question is, why haven't you accepted SIG Sauer USA as your lord and savior yet? https://i.imgur.com/PwaaW1c.jpg How about SIG AG? 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:57:35 PM EDT
[#14]
I heard the weird bullpup one is gonna win the NGSW contest.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:59:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard the weird bullpup one is gonna win the NGSW contest. I actually kinda like the weird bullpup one in an Elysian sorta way 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:00:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: So IYO does the improvements warrant such a price? Is the juice worth the squeeze? I say this because if the ammo becomes popular other manufacturers will make rifles in the caliber. At the “Special Edition” Price? Absolutely not. I’m really excited to get some more rifles in the caliber and to do some testing, the Cross especially. Think of this gun as a flagship, and an indication where the market could go. I think they did a fantastic job with the rifle. It looks and feels really nice, the functions work really well. Regardless of caliber, this setup at $3-4K is gonna be awesome. Have a lot of those too. But fun ones. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:02:22 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't hate it. What'd that run you? Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/275845/Screen_Shot_2022-03-18_at_4_27_46_PM-2317974.png |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:05:33 PM EDT
[#18]
Looks like a nice rifle, but any "superiority" over the AR that it has is immediately negated by the fact that there is little-to-no support for it in terms of spare parts.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:07:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a nice rifle, but any "superiority" over the AR that it has is immediately negated by the fact that there is little-to-no support for it in terms of spare parts. ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:10:43 PM EDT
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From everything I've read about the NGSW program I'm very well convinced that the True Velocity 6.8 TVC and Amicus/RM-277 is the better solution.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:10:52 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Whatever ya gotta say to convince yourself it was worth the money. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:11:31 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll stick with my SR15. Thanks though. We’ll said my man |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:11:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that not too ba......OMG THERE MORE NUMBERS THERE THAN I THOUGHT!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't hate it. What'd that run you? Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/275845/Screen_Shot_2022-03-18_at_4_27_46_PM-2317974.png Exactly |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:13:52 PM EDT
[#24]
have you shot it yet?
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:14:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't hate it. What'd that run you? Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. Oof! |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:14:51 PM EDT
[#26]
What is the rifle's weight?
A Vast Improvement requires a lighter weight rifle. Most of the rest on that list is fluff or complication that reduces reliability. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:15:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice looking piece of hardware but way more than what I would pay for a semiauto rifle. Even if I was flush with cash. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever ya gotta say to convince yourself it was worth the money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Whatever ya gotta say to convince yourself it was worth the money. You know what’s really cool? I have those guns with the common parts of which I have a lot of. I have other guns which are more obscure without a large chain of available support for. Most of the people here whining about the increased capability don’t even have the option to pick between the two. So it’s just fox and the grapes at that point. I don’t have to convince myself of anything. My identity isn’t linked to any particular gun. I can shoot whatever caliber I want. Regardless, it’s a really cool gun with a very interesting approach to many things that make it a cool marker in the timeline of firearms development. Even more so, with higher pressure rounds becoming more normal, hopefully it will be a pipeline of development for better and longer lasting barrels which will trickle over into other aspects of firearms technology. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:16:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Is a Bugatti only 5% faster than a Kia Forte? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:17:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a Bugatti only 5% faster than a Kia Forte? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Is a Bugatti only 5% faster than a Kia Forte? You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:21:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't hate it. What'd that run you? Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. Looks nice. Did Sig save $0.18 by having the firing pins made in India? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:23:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Even if the Spear truly is a superior rifle, $8k?.... and people are paying over $20k?!
Even if that round is superior to the 5.56, what % of Spear owners would ever really utilize it's slightly better potential in a serious situation? Is that trade off worth having a rare caliber? I've overpaid for some Knights stuff in my days but come on man. And it's Sig. They just can't help thinking they're smarter than everyone else in the room. They've definitely had some hits but overall their penchant for making new shit every 5 minutes produce more misses IMHO, but maybe this one will prove to be a winner. It does have nice features and looks cool I suppose. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:23:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? Why are you comparing the 6.8x51mm to the 5.56 in the first place? Better comparison would be 7mm-08. AKA, the 7x51 |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:23:13 PM EDT
[#34]
Sorry, but that is gross. Give me a SCAR 17S in 7.62 all day every day over this latest Sig junk. Also, if Sig wins the contract (which I don't think it will), we all know it's because they will be the lowest bidder and not because of the merits of the firearm. It's how Sig does business these days.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:25:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are transferable machinegun prices. Hard pass Someone always have to be first kid on the block with the new toy…
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:25:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like a nice rifle, but any "superiority" over the AR that it has is immediately negated by the fact that there is little-to-no support for it in terms of spare parts. ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” However you gotta stroke yourself my man. I'm happy for you that you got one, yet sad that you have to tell us how cool it is before you even know yourself. Someone has to bid it up on GB. As they say, weird flex but okay. Sell me those gucci ARs it's gonna replace though, their capability has been diminished so .50 on the dollar should suffice, no? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:25:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Looks like a cool round, wonder if they named it .277 sig fury so If it becomes mainstream it can be referred to as .277 SF for max tactical marketing lol
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:26:55 PM EDT
[#38]
I think it’s a cool looking rifle.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:27:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: Even if the Spear truly is a superior rifle, $8k?.... and people are paying over $20k?! I've overpaid for some Knights stuff in my days but come on man. And it's Sig. They just can't help thinking they're smarter than everyone else in the room. They've had some hits but overall their penchant for making new shit every 5 minutes produce more misses IMHO, but maybe this one will prove to be a winner. It’s because this is a first limited run, highly limited, and all two stamp guns. When the actual commercial guns come out, they will likely be much more reasonable. Quoted: Why are you comparing the 6.8x51mm to the 5.56 in the first place? Better comparison would be 7mm-08. AKA, the 7x51 Because I only care about cool calibers. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:29:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? Id say the lower ammo capacity and seemingly much greater recoil makes it inferior. (I dunno for sure about the recoil I have not shot one, but it seems to kick people's asses in videos.) With the size/weight and 20 round mag capacity shouldn't we be comparing it to .308? Ill give you that it is superior to that. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:31:34 PM EDT
[#41]
The experience with Sig, and their now canceled P556 non swat pistol, has soured them for me. Only their mass produced pistols stand a chance at customer service.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:32:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Id say the lower ammo capacity and seemingly much greater recoil makes it inferior. (I dunno for sure about the recoil I have not shot one, but it seems to kick people's asses in videos.) With the size/weight and 20 round mag capacity shouldn't we be comparing it to .308? Ill give you that it is superior to that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? Id say the lower ammo capacity and seemingly much greater recoil makes it inferior. (I dunno for sure about the recoil I have not shot one, but it seems to kick people's asses in videos.) With the size/weight and 20 round mag capacity shouldn't we be comparing it to .308? Ill give you that it is superior to that. It’s not even a comparison when you step up to 308. 5.56 is at least still a viable cartridge in modern times, 308 is a relic of a bygone era being clung onto until it’s dying breath. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:35:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Also...SIG can take their Indian metallurgy, constant revisions, and Ron Cohen and shove them firmly up their ass. SIG used to make nice stuff, i won't spend a buck on any of their asian mass produced shit now. Fuck SIG.
But muh SPEAR is made in the YOU-ESS-EH! That's swell, get back to me when SIG cares about quality products instead of slapping their name on horseshit. Don't care if you make the most advanced rifle in the world, if you make other stuff that is a piece of shit whenit doesn't need to be then fuck you. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:36:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s because this is a first limited run, highly limited, and all two stamp guns. When the actual commercial guns come out, they will likely be much more reasonable. Because I only care about cool calibers. That 0.2mm diameter and 150 fps is probably not worth 8 times the price per round. Well, it definitely isn't worth it, to me.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:41:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Also...SIG can take their Indian metallurgy, constant revisions, and Ron Cohen and shove them firmly up their ass. SIG used to make nice stuff, i won't spend a buck on any of their asian mass produced shit now. Fuck SIG. But muh SPEAR is made in the YOU-ESS-EH! That's swell, get back to me when SIG cares about quality products instead of slapping their name on horseshit. Don't care if you make the most advanced rifle in the world, if you make other stuff that is a piece of shit whenit doesn't need to be then fuck you. Imagine being that upset at a gun company. I thought we were all pro capitalism here? Quoted: That 0.2mm diameter and 150 fps is probably not worth 8 times the price per round. Well, it definitely isn't worth it, to me. But find a gun chambered in that in a similar form factor. Obviously, we know the upper limits of the prices of this stuff, it will only come down form here. I’m just waiting for the wildcats that come out of the hybrid cased stuff. .17 Fury will be where it’s at. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:47:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine being that upset at a gun company. I thought we were all pro capitalism here? But find a gun chambered in that in a similar form factor. Obviously, we know the upper limits of the prices of this stuff, it will only come down form here. I’m just waiting for the wildcats that come out of the hybrid cased stuff. .17 Fury will be where it’s at. You mean like an AR10? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:48:57 PM EDT
[#47]
I'd buy one in 308. Even better if they ditched the shitty ar charging handle.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:49:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like an AR10? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine being that upset at a gun company. I thought we were all pro capitalism here? But find a gun chambered in that in a similar form factor. Obviously, we know the upper limits of the prices of this stuff, it will only come down form here. I’m just waiting for the wildcats that come out of the hybrid cased stuff. .17 Fury will be where it’s at. You mean like an AR10? AR10 is not the same form factor. And even if it was, other than some niche runs it’s not a common configuration, and I’m sure it suffers from most AR10 platforms of neutering the performance capabilities of the cartridge. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:52:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:53:14 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine being that upset at a gun company. I thought we were all pro capitalism here? But find a gun chambered in that in a similar form factor. Obviously, we know the upper limits of the prices of this stuff, it will only come down form here. I’m just waiting for the wildcats that come out of the hybrid cased stuff. .17 Fury will be where it’s at. Now that would go through some stuff! Well, if it could fly right. I don’t know what I don’t know but it seems to me it would need a real slow twist to have the barrel last more than a few dozen rounds. Very cool collection! |
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