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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  It’s being built in Wisconsin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. It’s being built in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is just the third-world with better flavored cheese. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:46:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Italy isn’t a third world nation. Don’t be absurd. Ironically, so do we. I think everyone would prefer it but US industry has struggled to pull its head from its ass and make what needs to be made. The Euros are pushing their shit in on many weapons systems. They need to get it together. By the way, every nation has a tradition on building some weapons Better than others.. for example german build good tanks, Italians build good tank destroyers and frigates, americans build good aircrafts, aircraft carriers and helicopters, russians build good human waves, etc |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:48:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Forza Scuderia Fincantieri! Paint them red, and they'll be fast as hell. Chicks will dig them too.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:49:31 PM EDT
[#4]
 at least they'll look sexy. Just so long as they don't use English electrical systems. They should name the first one to join the fleet the USS Fix It Again Tony. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:49:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The swamp Germans design a good ship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. The swamp Germans design a good ship.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:52:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the way, every nation has a tradition on building some weapons Better than others.. for example german build good tanks, Italians build good tank destroyers and frigates, americans build good aircrafts, aircraft carriers and helicopters, russians build good human waves, etc You need to head back up in the mountains up north and get us some interesting pics! We build beautiful Beretta weapons here in Tennessee.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After reading all the problems with the LPD San Antonio, maybe we should let someone else take a crack at it. No what we need to do is make military and political leaders responsible for these disasters spend the rest for their lives converting granite mountain into gravel. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. Nobody is making that argument. Rather, the argument is that countries with tight budgets and small militaries need to pinch every penny, and squeeze all the blood out of every rock ... and so they MIGHT be able to design pretty efficient and affordable ships. The U.S. procurement and budgeting process gets you the Littoral Combat Ships and the Space Launch System. 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry my friend. You can have all the weapons, Cars, fashionable clothes and tasty food you want but not the women.. for them you have to come living here ??  The second to last chick I boned was an Italian chick/tourist here (I live overseas). She didn’t speak English and I don’t speak Italian so we communicated in French. She seemed to enjoy her American injection/erection. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryUh no ... Show me who else has our Naval dominance ... Before you start counting the number of navies that are our peers ... The number is in the single digits and is the first number before the number 1. 0 that is the correct answer |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:11:58 PM EDT
[#12]
We should paint them Ferrari red.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:14:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s being built in Wisconsin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. It’s being built in Wisconsin. Packers... that's a different country, right? |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK if you say so....  ... That is why we are so far behind all the other "naval powers" I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here . We should be taking the best equipment and engineering from around the world. Doesnt matter if its designed here. After years of trying to best the Israeli Trophy system, the US just bought it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:16:32 PM EDT
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Will they go as fast in reverse as they do forward? That's the Italian way.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:16:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is making that argument. Rather, the argument is that countries with tight budgets and small militaries need to pinch every penny, and squeeze all the blood out of every rock ... and so they MIGHT be able to design pretty efficient and affordable ships. The U.S. procurement and budgeting process gets you the Littoral Combat Ships and the Space Launch System. You are also forgetting there dividends even to failed systems and projects because we end up in the end with the most capable and advanced weapons systems. I am not sayings we should waste money because we can , but even our failures contribute to successes. What we need to do is remove the politics from the procurement and design processes and base what we buy on the best product not the one that gets an Admiral or General a VP job when he retires. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:18:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh no ... Show me who else has our Naval dominance ... Before you start counting the number of navies that are our peers ... The number is in the single digits and is the first number before the number 1. 0 that is the correct answer Show me another country that was stupid enough to field Littoral Combat Ships. Oh wait, that number is 0 too. We stopped building frigates to chase after an unproven design that has been an unmitigated disaster. It makes sense to contract with a country that didn't stop building frigates to regain our capability. And maybe learn that having the largest navy doesn't make one immune to hubris. The Italian FREMM is an excellent, proven design. My first choice would have been the RN's new Type 26 since it's the choice of our Anglosphere allies. Sadly, it wasn't in the running. The Italian design will also serve us well. Grazie ai nostri amici e alleati in Italia! |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then you will complain about cost. We should be taking the best equipment and engineering from around the world. Doesnt matter if its designed here. After years of trying to best the Israeli Trophy system, the US just bought it. Actually I have never bitched about the cost , just the fact that we have people in DoD that use the procurement chain as a spring board to cushy jobs. Eliminate that and the ability of assholes to use their personality to get the toy they want . Our designers and builders are more than capable of building anything other nations can build . |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Forza Scuderia Fincantieri! Paint them red, and they'll be fast as hell. Chicks will dig them too. I'd be glad to organize a party with hot chicks on a FREMM frigate 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:26:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:27:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is making that argument. Rather, the argument is that countries with tight budgets and small militaries need to pinch every penny, and squeeze all the blood out of every rock ... and so they MIGHT be able to design pretty efficient and affordable ships. The U.S. procurement and budgeting process gets you the Littoral Combat Ships and the Space Launch System. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. Nobody is making that argument. Rather, the argument is that countries with tight budgets and small militaries need to pinch every penny, and squeeze all the blood out of every rock ... and so they MIGHT be able to design pretty efficient and affordable ships. The U.S. procurement and budgeting process gets you the Littoral Combat Ships and the Space Launch System. Money printers go BRRRRRRRRR
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:28:31 PM EDT
[#23]
They are a nice ship
I'd be down for some Centauros, they seem a lot better than the Stryker MGS |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:28:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Ouch
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:29:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wisconsin is just the third-world with better flavored cheese. Than ITALY? |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:29:08 PM EDT
[#26]
The design was selected to reduce development cost and risk. From what I read, the ship`s power generation is what secured the win. It should be able to handle newer weapon systems that are power hungry , like lasers and rail guns. As for the enclosed mast, I think that will turn out to be an idea that was better on paper than in reality. Kind of like the "mack"s on the Knox class FFs. If steel and aluminum have corrosion issues, I think composites might have longevity issues in the maritime environment.
After the first batch are delivered, IIRC the contract gets reevaluated. I think the Canadian and Australian variants of the RN`s Type 26 FFG may be contenders if they have hulls in service. We wanted a proven design with few or no surprises that was capable of operations against peer and near peer adversaries. That`s why the Type 26 wasn`t selected. The LCS variants that were proposed were just more hot garbage. I think that`s why Lockheed withdrew their entry. Also Ficanteiri invested a lot of $$$ upgrading the Wisconsin shipyard to handle FFG construction. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:29:36 PM EDT
[#27]
i don't know exactly when it happened, but i have become a huge fan of things italian.
definitely like the ferrari red idea. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:32:24 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. The Norwegians did. Their FFG sank. I think they refloated it, but it will likely be a total loss. ETA, there was a female officer aboard. I think she may have been the Navigator. I don`t think she had an argument with anybody.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:32:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Speaking of monstrously expensive boats, how are the Zumwalts doing?
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:32:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The swamp Germans design a good ship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. The swamp Germans design a good ship. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:34:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are a nice ship I'd be down for some Centauros, they seem a lot better than the Stryker MGS |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:35:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK if you say so.... ... That is why we are so far behind all the other "naval powers" I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here . That kind of thinking is how we got the M-14, literally the worst option on the table at the time. Besides, unless I badly misread the link, the ships are actually being built in Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:37:12 PM EDT
[#33]
@ssimo
It's dark times in Italy?? |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:37:16 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy.  No such thing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Been to Italy. No such thing Oodles of hot Italian women when I was there. You must have been looking at tourists? |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:40:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of monstrously expensive boats, how are the Zumwalts doing? It's a real shame since the ship design isn't awful on it's own. The gun boondoggle was a colossal fuckup. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:43:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Isn't there an old joke about getting a German chef and an Italian engineer? 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:47:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Wisconsin seceded?
Also we'll be throwing some Swedish bofors gun on that badboy. The real firepower will be the VLS of course. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:49:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forza Scuderia Fincantieri! Paint them red, and they'll be fast as hell. Chicks will dig them too. I'd go with Pininfarina and make a statement   |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:50:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me another country that was stupid enough to field Littoral Combat Ships. Oh wait, that number is 0 too. We stopped building frigates to chase after an unproven design that has been an unmitigated disaster. It makes sense to contract with a country that didn't stop building frigates to regain our capability. And maybe learn that having the largest navy doesn't make one immune to hubris. The Italian FREMM is an excellent, proven design. My first choice would have been the RN's new Type 26 since it's the choice of our Anglosphere allies. Sadly, it wasn't in the running. The Italian design will also serve us well. Grazie ai nostri amici e alleati in Italia! Saudi Arabia is buying six freedom variant LCS. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 5:55:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Italians have a history of making some of the best looking ships in the world.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:00:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Norwegians did. Their FFG sank. I think they refloated it, but it will likely be a total loss. ETA, there was a female officer aboard. I think she may have been the Navigator. I don`t think she had an argument with anybody. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. The Norwegians did. Their FFG sank. I think they refloated it, but it will likely be a total loss. ETA, there was a female officer aboard. I think she may have been the Navigator. I don`t think she had an argument with anybody. The Norwegians also paint big barcodes on the bow of their ships. That way when they get to port, they can Scandinavian. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:01:35 PM EDT
[#42]
Stop me if I'm smoking crack here, but would the FREMM design be suitable for the bigger Coast Guard cutters? From where I sit, leave out the missiles and torpedoes to save money and free up space, and there should be a cost savings to having the rest of the ship common to both services.
I'll admit, that's the kind of logic that led us to pretend the F35 is really one airplane instead of three... |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:07:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should paint them Ferrari red. Lightships are painted red. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:08:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Were they squatter shacks? If so, serves 'em right. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:09:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Italians have a history of making some of the best looking ships in the world. Concur. Look at the cruisers and battleships built for Regia Marina in WW II. Littoro class BB, Zara CA, Duca d'Aosta class CL. Pretty ships. Too bad they didn't have radar or air support. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:10:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The second to last chick I boned was an Italian chick/tourist here (I live overseas). She didn’t speak English and I don’t speak Italian so we communicated in French. She seemed to enjoy her American injection/erection. Well done |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:15:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are a nice ship I'd be down for some Centauros, they seem a lot better than the Stryker MGS Centauro II is arguably the best fire support vehicle/tank destroyer around And looks sexy too  CENTAURO II: the new masterpiece of Iveco – Oto Melara Consortium (CIO) |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:15:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Will the deck guns be Berettas? If so, I’ll take one.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:16:47 PM EDT
[#49]
At least it's not the Russian ones the dems were displaying at the DNC salute to veterans. Maybe it was a salute to Russian veterans?
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Posted: 3/1/2021 6:19:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @ssimo It's dark times in Italy?? Yes because the fucking government keeps on closing everything for this virus which clearly won't disappear in the near future. The country will be on its knees after this shitshow comes to an end and as soon as we will face the consequences of the lockdowns. |
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