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Posted: 3/2/2021 6:34:18 AM EDT
[#1]
Should have went with Jieitai stuff.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 6:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy.  No such thing Then you didn't hit Sicily while you were there. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 7:29:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife, wanting to go back to Europe, has begun watching walking tour videos on YouTube, almost entirely in destination locations of coastal Italy. The videos are all from this summer, between July and August. There seem to be crowds of tourists, and very few are wearing masks (significantly fewer than I see here in North Idaho, the freer region of a "freedom-loving" state). Are these the dark times of which you speak? Looks great to me... Those videos must be old ones. Now in Italy the Mask is mandatory and most regions are basically in lockdown since november: bar and restaurants closed, you can not go outside your city or village and so on.. a disaster |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 7:42:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those videos must be old ones. Now in Italy the Mask is mandatory and most regions are basically in lockdown since november: bar and restaurants closed, you can not go outside your city or village and so on.. a disaster Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My wife, wanting to go back to Europe, has begun watching walking tour videos on YouTube, almost entirely in destination locations of coastal Italy. The videos are all from this summer, between July and August. There seem to be crowds of tourists, and very few are wearing masks (significantly fewer than I see here in North Idaho, the freer region of a "freedom-loving" state). Are these the dark times of which you speak? Looks great to me... Those videos must be old ones. Now in Italy the Mask is mandatory and most regions are basically in lockdown since november: bar and restaurants closed, you can not go outside your city or village and so on.. a disaster Damn. Family restaurants and such are taking a beating I guess just like here but they lifted the emergency order yet 4+ restaurants are gone and businesses have taken a hit. Even national chain businesses are just closing up and down. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Float It Again Tony  Exactly, when I think Italian engineering, I don't thinks "durable, dependable, long lasting"... I think " fast, sporty, flashy, big dollar, money pit" |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:18:45 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be glad to organize a party with hot chicks on a FREMM frigate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Forza Scuderia Fincantieri! Paint them red, and they'll be fast as hell. Chicks will dig them too. I'd be glad to organize a party with hot chicks on a FREMM frigate
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes.. the romans reverse engineered the at the time best warships in the world, made it much better, got control of the mediterranean sea in a few decades, wiped off the entire carthaginians civilization Your servile war didn't go very well, too. Right, Spartacus? Thousands of crucified rebels on the Appian way for 150 miles, from Rome to Capua.. no joke  @spartacus200 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only after you reverse-engineered a Carthaginian warship that washed ashore Yes.. the romans reverse engineered the at the time best warships in the world, made it much better, got control of the mediterranean sea in a few decades, wiped off the entire carthaginians civilization Your servile war didn't go very well, too. Right, Spartacus? Thousands of crucified rebels on the Appian way for 150 miles, from Rome to Capua.. no joke @spartacus200 oof, I left the door wide open for that retort!
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:25:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh... what do the Dutch know about building ships? technically a ship is just a giant wooden shoe |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:44:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Seems like a good decision to me, the Navy needs combat vessels now so buy what is ready to go.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 9:00:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am glad to see that the collaboration between our countries about military industry and military technology keeps being one of the strongest in the world. After we adopted the F35 fighter (which we are now producing in Italy, i think under license), last april the US navy confirmed it will buy a variant of the italian FREMM frigate, produced by Fincantieri. As i understood we are talking about a 5,6 billion contact. This will help my country in these dark times and i am sure the new frigates will serve the US navy well. As a sidenote, i think the frigates will sport also OTO-Melara 76 mm automatic cannons: with guided projectiles and 120 rpm they are real beasts. Now we should buy some A-10's and you should buy some Centauro II's or Freccia's.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buA4ajpCtpQI have heard nothing but good things about the FREMMs. For those of your poo-poohing license production of foreign designs, it will address employment and industrial base concerns no matter who owns the design. Part of getting our allies to "pay their fair share" is throwing them a bone every now and again. We should also do it to keep our domestic industry honest. LCS was a complete shit-show, and we should not reward failure. @ssimo you'll be pleased to know the USMC is acquiring the Iveco SuperAV produced by BAE under license. ETA: And we should do other things, such as buy Canadian ice-breakers. Let countries and militaries focus on the things they are good at, or that we don't want to bother doing, or can't do efficiently due to small scale, meanwhile also making it as difficult as possible for them to say "no" to our "requests" for support. Basically, make it as easy and profitable as possible to be our friend, and countries won't gripe so much when we make the "big ask" to borrow an ice breaker, or use a base, or whatever. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 9:22:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Yes Dutchland and Pizzastan two powerhouses of naval might. I am sure the Portuguese Navy has nightmares about facing either Navy in battle. At least they don’t ram their ships into other boats because the females in charge of it had a disagreement. Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Insurance scam? |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 9:23:00 AM EDT
[#12]
My last airline flight was hauling a 787 load of Beretta shotguns, Augusta helicopter parts, and a Maserati from Milan to Philadelphia.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 9:39:18 AM EDT
[#13]
Wut kinda espresso machine them boats come fitted up with?
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Posted: 3/2/2021 9:46:44 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Insurance scam? That would have been impressive!  Actually, the Harpoon manufacturer ended up having to pay all of the damages (for the four destroyed houses and 130 damaged ones), after the Danish government sued McDonnell-Douglas for an alleged technical error that led to a misfire. (Apparently there had been a similar misfire on a U.S. naval vessel). |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 12:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard nothing but good things about the FREMMs. For those of your poo-poohing license production of foreign designs, it will address employment and industrial base concerns no matter who owns the design. Part of getting our allies to "pay their fair share" is throwing them a bone every now and again. We should also do it to keep our domestic industry honest. LCS was a complete shit-show, and we should not reward failure. @ssimo you'll be pleased to know the USMC is acquiring the Iveco SuperAV produced by BAE under license. ETA: And we should do other things, such as buy Canadian ice-breakers. Let countries and militaries focus on the things they are good at, or that we don't want to bother doing, or can't do efficiently due to small scale, meanwhile also making it as difficult as possible for them to say "no" to our "requests" for support. Basically, make it as easy and profitable as possible to be our friend, and countries won't gripe so much when we make the "big ask" to borrow an ice breaker, or use a base, or whatever. Sounds good |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 12:13:16 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: oof, I left the door wide open for that retort! Ahahahah 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:16:03 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Denmark has a navy?!  We ought to do something about that.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oto Melara cannons are better imho Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wisconsin seceded? Also we'll be throwing some Swedish bofors gun on that badboy. The real firepower will be the VLS of course. Oto Melara cannons are better imho *click* |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that. Maybe you could spend your entire national budget on building a super-warship, only to have it sink as it tries to leave the harbor the first time. ... again!
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you could spend your entire national budget on building a super-warship, only to have it sink as it tries to leave the harbor the first time. ... again! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that. Maybe you could spend your entire national budget on building a super-warship, only to have it sink as it tries to leave the harbor the first time. ... again! We have submarines these days, they're supposed to sink. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:27:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have submarines these days, they're supposed to sink. To be fair, Scandinavian marine designs tend to be incredibly innovative, from what I've read; there's some light torpedo design I read about that seems awesome for the Baltic and littorals. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:33:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything can be a submarine once. It's that "coming back up" part that's tricky To be fair, Scandinavian marine designs tend to be incredibly innovative, from what I've read; there's some light torpedo design I read about that seems awesome for the Baltic and littorals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We have submarines these days, they're supposed to sink. To be fair, Scandinavian marine designs tend to be incredibly innovative, from what I've read; there's some light torpedo design I read about that seems awesome for the Baltic and littorals. Our light torps are pretty unique, they're wire-guided and they can be double-packed in the tube. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:48:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not exactly what's happening though, we buy foreign things all the time in return for foreign countries buying our stuff. The M1 Abrams uses two Belgian made 7.62 MGs. The M240 is a great MG, but we didn't buy it because it was better than ours, we bought it because they bought a shitload of F16s This is pretty common and it doesn't mean we buy shit products from the foreign government, it's more of a tit for tat. They buy our stuff, we buy theirs Z Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here This is pretty common and it doesn't mean we buy shit products from the foreign government, it's more of a tit for tat. They buy our stuff, we buy theirs Z The 120mm main gun on the Abrams is German... As for the M240, everything I've heard is that the previous 7.62x51mm coax machinegun was a dog, the M73/M219... |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:00:42 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard nothing but good things about the FREMMs. For those of your poo-poohing license production of foreign designs, it will address employment and industrial base concerns no matter who owns the design. Part of getting our allies to "pay their fair share" is throwing them a bone every now and again. We should also do it to keep our domestic industry honest. LCS was a complete shit-show, and we should not reward failure. @ssimo you'll be pleased to know the USMC is acquiring the Iveco SuperAV produced by BAE under license. ETA: And we should do other things, such as buy Canadian ice-breakers. Let countries and militaries focus on the things they are good at, or that we don't want to bother doing, or can't do efficiently due to small scale, meanwhile also making it as difficult as possible for them to say "no" to our "requests" for support. Basically, make it as easy and profitable as possible to be our friend, and countries won't gripe so much when we make the "big ask" to borrow an ice breaker, or use a base, or whatever. What are they putting on it in terms of armament? The wiki article doesn’t say. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:01:00 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:05:33 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lord Nelson did. Apparently he is needed again. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/Nicholas_Pocock_-_The_Battle_of_Copenhag-1848352.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/Nicholas_Pocock_-_The_Battle_of_Copenhag-1848352.JPG Based Nelson taught those æbleskiver-munching semi-Krauts a lesson. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:21:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you could spend your entire national budget on building a super-warship, only to have it sink as it tries to leave the harbor the first time. ... again! 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:46:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: By the way, every nation has a tradition on building some weapons Better than others.. for example german build good tanks, Italians build good tank destroyers and frigates, americans build good aircrafts, aircraft carriers and helicopters, russians build good human waves, etc Italy makes nice firearms. My two recent Pedersoli rifles are exellent. A two-band P58 Enfield and a .54-cal Hawken. Not to mention all of my Pietta and Uberti cap and ball replicas and Colt single action army clones. My Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon Sporter is wonderful. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:18:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Italy makes nice firearms. My two recent Pedersoli rifles are exellent. A two-band P58 Enfield and a .54-cal Hawken. Not to mention all of my Pietta and Uberti cap and ball replicas and Colt single action army clones. My Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon Sporter is wonderful. Yes Italy makes nice firearms, we build weapons since thousands of years afterall. And i am happy to see that Italian gun manufacturers have been able to keep the quality of their products high at reasonable costs and that they continue ti produce firearms in Italy or in the US. Something that didn't happen with Remington, winchester, etc, unfortunately.. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:24:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our light torps are pretty unique, they're wire-guided and they can be double-packed in the tube. And for the Baltic a Lethal little piece of kit. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 10:46:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lord Nelson did. Apparently he is needed again. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/Nicholas_Pocock_-_The_Battle_of_Copenhag-1848352.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Denmark has a navy?! We ought to do something about that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/Nicholas_Pocock_-_The_Battle_of_Copenhag-1848352.JPG Such blatant support for a war criminal and terrorists should be against the Code of Conduct. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:24:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 120 RPM on a 76mm?! Damn that's pretty good firepower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJpqNFkd9gIAre they using black powder as the propellant? That is a LOT of thick white smoke. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:30:41 PM EDT
[#33]
Well why not, pretty soon we won’t make any of our own military gear.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:32:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. They will be built here by Americans. We need fast and cheap hulls we can put in the water in the next couple years to run the chi-coms ragged. Not a long overly expensive design process that will change multiple times and won't see a ship in the water, let alone a bunch of them in deployable condition for 20 years. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:32:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they using black powder as the propellant? That is a LOT of thick white smoke. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 120 RPM on a 76mm?! Damn that's pretty good firepower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJpqNFkd9gIAre they using black powder as the propellant? That is a LOT of thick white smoke. Nope. It looks pretty normal for bigger weapons systems. 5-6lb of propellant tends to make a good amount of smoke |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:33:05 PM EDT
[#36]
The Italians have always produced interesting designs. Employment has been spotty at best, but they've always been innovators, especially in small, unconventional craft like torpedo boats and manned (but not suicide) torpedoes.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:38:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These bench warmers build excellent warships since the first punic war straight to the Maritime Republics As with the Italian Army, the modern Italian Navy has had crappy leadership. On the other hand, the lower levels of command have always been innovators, just ask the crews of the Tegethoff, Szent Istvan, and Queen Elizabeth. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:41:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Denmark has a navy?! I'm told that occasionally they shoot at USOs. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:42:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you could spend your entire national budget on building a super-warship, only to have it sink as it tries to leave the harbor the first time. ... again! I believe that was Sweden, and the Vasa. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:44:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not exactly what's happening though, we buy foreign things all the time in return for foreign countries buying our stuff. The M1 Abrams uses two Belgian made 7.62 MGs. The M240 is a great MG, but we didn't buy it because it was better than ours, we bought it because they bought a shitload of F16s This is pretty common and it doesn't mean we buy shit products from the foreign government, it's more of a tit for tat. They buy our stuff, we buy theirs Z Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here This is pretty common and it doesn't mean we buy shit products from the foreign government, it's more of a tit for tat. They buy our stuff, we buy theirs Z Pretty sure the 240 was better that whatever we were fielding at the time of adoption |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:53:17 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are they putting on it in terms of armament? The wiki article doesn’t say. I read somewhere that one of the changes is that it has to use our VLS system instead of the one it was designed for Edit  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:57:54 PM EDT
[#42]
The USA should only buy USA citizen designed, fabricated, built, etc.. products from 100% USA interest/ownership entities.
ETA- LOL what am I saying, thats out dated, thats the old USA.. Now the USA is usurped to be whored out, infested, leached off, diseased, killed, chopped up and cannibaliized by global cronies. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:13:22 AM EDT
[#43]
USS Boppity Boopi
USS Talk with Your Hands USS Chef Boyardee USS Ravioli Ravioli Give Me the Formuoli |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:18:56 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish Navy did accidentally fire a Harpoon missile into a bunch of beach houses many years ago. Swamp. Germans. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:21:22 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting for NAVSEA to weigh in with thousands of "required" design changes which will add tens of billions to the cost and years to the schedule. For NAVSEA to accept the Italian frigates without "customization", would mean NAVSEA isn't needed and could be de-funded. This is something a swamp full of .gov bureaucrats will never allow. They WEREN'T accepted without customization. It's been advertised as based on the Italian (that I thought was French this whole time) ship, but a new class. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:30:46 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the 240 was better that whatever we were fielding at the time of adoption I've never fired the M240, but I can attest to the fact that the M60 is a piece of shit. It is literally the ONLY firearm that:
It's barely a step above the Italian Breda M30. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:31:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The USA should only buy USA citizen designed, fabricated, built, etc.. products from 100% USA interest/ownership entities. ETA- LOL what am I saying, thats out dated, thats the old USA.. Now the USA is usurped to be whored out, infested, leached off, diseased, killed, chopped up and cannibaliized by global cronies. Quote HistoryQuoted: The USA should only buy USA citizen designed, fabricated, built, etc.. products from 100% USA interest/ownership entities. ETA- LOL what am I saying, thats out dated, thats the old USA.. Now the USA is usurped to be whored out, infested, leached off, diseased, killed, chopped up and cannibaliized by global cronies. This kind of bullshit got us the M14 and M60 over the G3, AR10, FAL, and MAG58. In other words, notably inferior designs over "icky foreign and commercial market" ones that actually turned out to work It also got us LCS over FREMM, Absalon, Ivar Huitfeldt, Type 26, MEKO 200, or some other design that actually fucking works and could have had steel displacing water right now. (The first FREMM ship, in the French Navy, was commissioned 9 years ago, the Dutch De Zeven Provinciën ships have been floating since 2002, etc.) This class is FREMM based, did better than LockMart's LCS-based horseshit, and has 300 extra tons of armoring, compartmentalizing, and damage control built in to bring it up to USN specs. And it'll be built 100% in the USA, by Americans. ETA: Quoted: They WEREN'T accepted without customization. It's been advertised as based on the Italian (that I thought was French this whole time) ship, but a new class. Bingo. Also yes, Italian and French joint design in the FREMM. French got theirs into service before the Italians IIRC. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:32:15 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy. No such thing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Been to Italy. No such thing Been to Italy a number of times. If you think there's no beautiful women there you need to get your eyeglass prescription changed. Or stay out of the gay bars. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 1:00:39 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy a number of times. If you think there's no beautiful women there you need to get your eyeglass prescription changed. Or stay out of the gay bars. Italy showed young me what beautiful women really are. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 4:15:30 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy a number of times. If you think there's no beautiful women there you need to get your eyeglass prescription changed. Or stay out of the gay bars. Any man who doesn't think Sophia Loren was beautiful probably prefers Rock Hudson anyway. |
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