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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:03:47 PM EST
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:08:01 PM EST
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Wow...what the fuck are they thinking????? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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New model... M-14-88 This has to be one of the stupidest things a company could possibly do. For comparison, here is the SS totenkopf. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg/500px-SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg.png Wow...what the fuck are they thinking????? |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:55:28 PM EST
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So, we're bad to criticize a company who's dumb enough to use a well known symbol of a well known regime known for genocide? 
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The war is over and I do not live in fear of Hitler or symbols used by Nazis. Move on with life. No one is living in fear. It's a matter of extremely poor taste. If you have to go cliche and use a skull and bones - don't use the same ones the SS used. Jesus, it's not that hard. You are dwelling on the past. Love it when someone on a firearms website is complaining about someone's right to free speech because you have outed yourself as not respecting the rights of others. Nazi Germany is gone and complaining about the use of similar symbols only extends the fear. My neighbor can paint a swastika in his yard for all I care. So, we're bad to criticize a company who's dumb enough to use a well known symbol of a well known regime known for genocide?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:56:12 PM EST
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Considering SEI is a site sponsor, will be we be seeing any Nazi skulls parading around on the ad banners here?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:57:15 PM EST
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Oh, you're soooo gonna get sued now.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SMITH MUZZLE DEVICES http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/images2/g61.jpg ELIMINATE MUZZLE CLIMB AND FLASH AS WELL AS UNTERMENSCHEN Oh, you're soooo gonna get sued now. Good luck serving him in Syria |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:04:36 PM EST
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The nazis can't trademark all the SS skulls. Wonderful explanation. I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:07:59 PM EST
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This would make more sense if Troy used it rather than Smith.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:22:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The nazis can't trademark all the SS skulls. Wonderful explanation. I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. That was Mel Brooks' movie, "The Producers." SEI should have "Springtime for Hitler" start playing when you go to their website. It would fit with the epic, mind numbing stupidity exhibited by choosing the SS Totenkopf as a company logo.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:24:20 PM EST
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... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. People like you are what make these threads good. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:57:49 PM EST
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That was Mel Brooks' movie, "The Producers." SEI should have "Springtime for Hitler" start playing when you go to their website. It would fit with the epic, mind numbing stupidity exhibited by choosing the SS Totenkopf as a company logo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The nazis can't trademark all the SS skulls. Wonderful explanation. I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. That was Mel Brooks' movie, "The Producers." SEI should have "Springtime for Hitler" start playing when you go to their website. It would fit with the epic, mind numbing stupidity exhibited by choosing the SS Totenkopf as a company logo. I'm familiar with the film, there was a book dealing with a similar premise at one point. The film is probably more apropos however, with the Nazi theme and all. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:05:49 PM EST
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The war is over and I do not live in fear of Hitler or symbols used by Nazis. Move on with life. They rounded up and brutally murdered 5 Million men, women and children. Get a fucking clue...... |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:28:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:32:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Thanks for the history lesson, but I still don't care what Smith does. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:37:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Thanks for the history lesson, but I still don't care what Smith does. I don't care what Smith does with their company, but when they try justifying the SS symbol as if it's no longer relevant or not the same thing, that's where I have to speak up and call them out on their BS. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:39:07 PM EST
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I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The nazis can't trademark all the SS skulls. Wonderful explanation. I vaguely recall the plot of a novel, where a scam goes sideways when the thieves' shell business unexpectedly starts actually turning a profit. The antics of the main characters attempting to push their business back into the red by any and all means possible, no matter how tasteless or ridiculous, are somewhat reminiscent here. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:54:19 PM EST
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:56:43 PM EST
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Oh it's supposed to be crossed bones behind the skull???
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:57:36 PM EST
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I think reparations are due.
Just the mere fact that past history can be argued over and butt hurt can be spread far and wide(lol) warrants reparations. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 9:19:34 PM EST
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Posted: 1/16/2014 9:57:12 PM EST
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You will Nazi the flash? Quote Historysnort.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:25:12 PM EST
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The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? There's pretty big difference between two letters in the same style and a DIRECT FUCKING COPY of the logo. Especially when the company itself admits that Mr. Ron Smith himself loves it and appropriated it for himself. The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:26:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? There's pretty big difference between two letters in the same style and a DIRECT FUCKING COPY of the logo. Especially when the company itself admits that Mr. Ron Smith himself loves it and appropriated it for himself. The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. It's amazing they got away with that for as long as they did before the media found out about it.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:36:14 PM EST
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<Removed. Don't make those accusations unless you have proof. -NorCal>
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:41:14 PM EST
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? There's pretty big difference between two letters in the same style and a DIRECT FUCKING COPY of the logo. Especially when the company itself admits that Mr. Ron Smith himself loves it and appropriated it for himself. The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. It is shameful that any member of the American military would ever want to use the banner of the people that did this. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:46:45 PM EST
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Smith is ran by a bunch of 88's. Seems to cliche and stereotypical. Maybe they got the seed money for their business by selling Nazi memoribilia at gun shows? You are so fucking sued. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:49:53 PM EST
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Have they actually threatened to sue people over giving them shit about this?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:50:26 PM EST
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Anybody get sued yet?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:58:20 PM EST
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I will grant it's a poor marketing move, simply because it's a shitty design. On the use of the Death's Head, let people who want to be ruled by knee jerk emotion get rule by knee jerk emotions. This is no different then people who get upset at the sight of a Confederate flag or Redskin on the side of a football helmet. Yes it's similar to the SS Totenkopt, hell it may be from the Nazi flash art section at the local tattoo parlor. However the Death's Head has an original meaning of outlaws, pirates, death, and danger. Damn, I hate wearing a flame suit all the time..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. Doesn't matter if it predates or not. It is in bad taste and will attract an unfortunate crowd. Marketing is the art of making ones products or services desirable. This will alienate a lot of people. I will grant it's a poor marketing move, simply because it's a shitty design. On the use of the Death's Head, let people who want to be ruled by knee jerk emotion get rule by knee jerk emotions. This is no different then people who get upset at the sight of a Confederate flag or Redskin on the side of a football helmet. Yes it's similar to the SS Totenkopt, hell it may be from the Nazi flash art section at the local tattoo parlor. However the Death's Head has an original meaning of outlaws, pirates, death, and danger. Damn, I hate wearing a flame suit all the time..... He could have picked 100 other ones. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:00:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are so fucking sued. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Smith is ran by a bunch of 88's? Seems too cliche and stereotypical. Maybe they got the seed money for their business by selling Nazi memoribilia at gun shows? You are so fucking sued. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:01:10 PM EST
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Needs a catchphrase like "Smith Enterprises - The Final Solution." I Wannsee what you did there |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:01:13 PM EST
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Anybody get sued yet? I think the fact that Smith apparently recognizes the association with the Schutzstaffel and publicly says they don't care what people think is a pretty good defense. But in for the cease and desist letters. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:26:23 PM EST
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Everyone who has bad mouthed them over this, better go lawyer up and prepare your anus. Are yiu insinuating that SEI is full of homosexuals?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:29:17 PM EST
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Everyone who has bad mouthed them over this, better go lawyer up and prepare your anus. Are yiu insinuating that SEI is full of homosexuals? It's not gay if done out of anger. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:32:31 PM EST
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I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. The SS also murdered gays. And gypsies.. and more. They killed folks in my family in my grandparents time. No fucks given, its just a symbol, and it's time to move on. Getting agitated over it is what gives it power. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:55:23 PM EST
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? Those snipers were trolling like douchebags. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:03:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Actually they were every bit as bad, maybe worse than the Nazi's. It just wasn't propagated as much by Hollywood. Basically wanted to ethnically cleanse Asia of "less pure" Asians. Ever hear of Nanking? How about their occupation of Korea and the rounding up of Korean women to be used as barrack and ship based sex slaves "comfort women" as the Japs called them. Google unit 731 and find out about the Imperial Japanese medical experiments and how they thought it was ok so long as "sub humans" were being used as test subjects. Not to mention their treatment of American POW's. Given the choice between a Nazi POW camp or a Japanese POW camp, you would rather be in the German camp, trust me. The worst part was most of these sadistic animals that served under the rising sun banner were never served justice, never hunted down, a few were hung, but not many. Not many movies made about it, not many museums to document it. But it happened none the less. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:28:52 AM EST
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it always seems to me that neo-nazis are the kind of people that the paleo-nazis would have had killed.
anyway, that's not new. i remember seing it on the website several years ago. i'm really surprised nobody noticed it before now. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:39:02 AM EST
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it always seems to me that neo-nazis are the kind of people that the paleo-nazis would have had killed. anyway, that's not new. i remember seing it on the website several years ago. i'm really surprised nobody noticed it before now. A bad or poor pic or two on a website can be blown off as a mistake. It happens often. This got big when they brought swag to shot covered in ze new logo. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:42:39 AM EST
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I think someone at the company needs to have a screw loose in the head in order to have adopted that symbol as its logo.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:03:44 AM EST
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" Imperial Japs being "less evil" than the Nazi's is false and needs to be addressed.
Actually they were every bit as bad, maybe worse than the Nazi's. It just wasn't propagated as much by Hollywood. Basically wanted to ethnically cleanse Asia of "less pure" Asians. Ever hear of Nanking? How about their occupation of Korea and the rounding up of Korean women to be used as barrack and ship based sex slaves "comfort women" as the Japs called them. Google unit 731 and find out about the Imperial Japanese medical experiments and how they thought it was ok so long as "sub humans" were being used as test subjects. Not to mention their treatment of American POW's. Given the choice between a Nazi POW camp or a Japanese POW camp, you would rather be in the German camp, trust me. The worst part was most of these sadistic animals that served under the rising sun banner were never served justice, never hunted down, a few were hung, but not many. Not many movies made about it, not many museums to document it. But it happened none the less." Excellent post and rebuttal by Smash47!!!!!. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:08:14 AM EST
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Doesn't matter if it predates or not. It is in bad taste and will attract an unfortunate crowd. Marketing is the art of making ones products or services desirable. This will alienate a lot of people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. Doesn't matter if it predates or not. It is in bad taste and will attract an unfortunate crowd. Marketing is the art of making ones products or services desirable. This will alienate a lot of people. Its not like they needed a lot of help in that department... |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:22:14 AM EST
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A bad or poor pic or two on a website can be blown off as a mistake. It happens often. This got big when they brought swag to shot covered in ze new logo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it always seems to me that neo-nazis are the kind of people that the paleo-nazis would have had killed. anyway, that's not new. i remember seing it on the website several years ago. i'm really surprised nobody noticed it before now. A bad or poor pic or two on a website can be blown off as a mistake. It happens often. This got big when they brought swag to shot covered in ze new logo. nah, it was the same tshirt that's on there now. pretty clear what it was. http://www.smithenterprise.com/products20.html |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:32:33 AM EST
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I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Your a tad wrong on your facts. The japs committed perhaps worse or at least the same level of attrocities as the germans did. Do some reading on the Units the japs had set up in china.....namely Unit 731. The reason the Germans are remembered is because the way the history books are written. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:43:45 AM EST
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:52:47 AM EST
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Have they actually threatened to sue people over giving them shit about this? Hammonje is the ARFCOM member |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:10:38 AM EST
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:13:13 AM EST
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Doesn't matter if it predates or not. It is in bad taste and will attract an unfortunate crowd. Marketing is the art of making ones products or services desirable. This will alienate a lot of people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. Doesn't matter if it predates or not. It is in bad taste and will attract an unfortunate crowd. Marketing is the art of making ones products or services desirable. This will alienate a lot of people. I highly doubt that trailer-dwelling, poor white trash 88s can afford SEI price tags... BIt it's a stupid logo anyway. The skull/zombie shit is a bit over done.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 4:49:26 AM EST
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? Those snipers were trolling like douchebags. Those snipers? I don't think you understand how long they have been using the "SS" symbol. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 5:43:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I Wannsee what you did there Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Needs a catchphrase like "Smith Enterprises - The Final Solution." I Wannsee what you did there   That's just wrong... |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 5:46:30 AM EST
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Needs a catchphrase like "Smith Enterprises - The Final Solution." I Wannsee what you did there You win the internet retort of the day. |
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