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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:31:27 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:32:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall a movie a long time a go that said at those depths it will crush you to the size of an egg. It had a foreign guy, or at least he spoke with an accent , a deusenberg, a bridge and I think dirk benedict in it. I could be wrong though. It was a long time a go. Dirk Benedict There’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:36:01 PM EST
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You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system.
Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:37:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what kind of pressure cycle testing that hull design went through, if any. This is something like their fifth titanic expedition someone mentioned, and seems like they would take 3-4 sets of passengers "mission specialists " per expedition. So maybe proof tested 15-20 times? They found the fatigue limit ot the hull or window then |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:38:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. The submarine imploded, so the recovery line would of recovered what????? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:39:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what kind of pressure cycle testing that hull design went through, if any. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:40:58 PM EST
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 The Abyss - Lt. Coffey's death |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:42:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: The cost of the search and rescue mission is likely in the millions of dollars and will fall to taxpayers, said Chris Boyer, the executive director of the National Association for Search and Rescue, a non-profit education, training and advocacy group. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:43:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. You would probably need 5 miles of line and who knows how strong to lift a 20,000 lbs submersible. You can even properly use 100lb fishing line 300-400’ deep because of the pressure of the water and current. With the amount of line out a few miles the pressure would enormous.. … It doesn’t seem possible. Doesn’t really matter though when the thing implodes |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:45:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The submarine imploded, so the recovery line would of recovered what????? In this case, nothing mostly. But it would have saved millions of dollars and a shit ton of effort that other people expended in the resulting S&R campaign when the truth is the story was over less than 2 hours after the dive vs. basically 5 days. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:46:44 PM EST
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knew they were doomed when the subbrief yt video came out
 shame about all the people and equipment mobilized oh well; suppose it'll be a game of lawsuits from here forward |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:47:47 PM EST
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The debris was probably planted in the ocean by Charles Widmore.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:49:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that what would happen to a CF hull, that probably didnt use expoxy resin for high pressures and cold temperatures? Or would it be shards like a broken pot? Waiting for photos to be leaked. The wreckage. Doubt much will be seen of bodies now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Think of the piston of a Diesel engine. Then think of the same thing, but with pressures many times higher. That's what would happen in a sub at that depth. Instant crushing and incineration. Is that what would happen to a CF hull, that probably didnt use expoxy resin for high pressures and cold temperatures? Or would it be shards like a broken pot? Waiting for photos to be leaked. The wreckage. Doubt much will be seen of bodies now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:51:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would probably need 5 miles of line and who knows how strong to lift a 20,000 lbs submersible. You can even properly use 100lb fishing line 300-400’ deep because of the pressure of the water and current. With the amount of line out a few miles the pressure would enormous.. … It doesn’t seem possible. Doesn’t really matter though when the thing implodes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. You would probably need 5 miles of line and who knows how strong to lift a 20,000 lbs submersible. You can even properly use 100lb fishing line 300-400’ deep because of the pressure of the water and current. With the amount of line out a few miles the pressure would enormous.. … It doesn’t seem possible. Doesn’t really matter though when the thing implodes I mean it's certainly possible. 1" cable has a minimum break strength of over 100k lbs. That's 5x the weight of the sub, but keep in mind that displacement is attributed to the sub buoyancy (everything weighs less in water). Granted you'd need a big ship certainly. But high risk operations like this...you'd think that would be a thing. I guess at the end of the day it's an easy corner to cut. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 6:00:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP The number of comments here making light of, or downright celebrating this loss of life is disgusting. Those people had the balls to follow their dreams, and push boundaries not many other people do. I wouldn’t call them heroes, but they damn sure had the qualities that we need in men today. Hopefully some will learn from this, and push forward on the project. Too bad their "balls" negatively effected their common sense. Foolishness is not a quality we need in men today. I get what you're saying, but this incident isn't a good example. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 6:27:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we don’t look for missing hikers anymore? And we don’t want to test our response to downed vessels? What if a military or commercial sub goes down tomorrow, we don’t want to have interagency/international/commercial people trained and new processes and best practices in place for next time? This just rings true. ALL agencies, from all participating countries, will put their heads together to compare notes, learning what worked and what needs improvement. There may come put of this incident a new memorandum of international cooperation, the Titan Protocol, in case of future such incidents. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 6:44:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. They’d need a couple miles of cable, and storing and deploying that amount of cable has its own set of problems. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 6:56:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’d need a couple miles of cable, and storing and deploying that amount of cable has its own set of problems. I know it's not a cake walk. But we've achieved far greater extremes than that. A couple miles of cable isn't really the end of the world. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:01:29 PM EST
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Somewhere on the ocean floor is something resembling a smash can of tomato soup. At least they died instantly when it rapidly imploded on them.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:01:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this case, nothing mostly. But it would have saved millions of dollars and a shit ton of effort that other people expended in the resulting S&R campaign when the truth is the story was over less than 2 hours after the dive vs. basically 5 days. It brings back the lifting eye the tether is attached to. Nothing more, maybe less |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:06:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It brings back the lifting eye the tether is attached to. Nothing more, maybe less Still gives you an immediate answer. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:06:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See the "diesel engine" comparison. The body would be instantly incinerated. Water currents would then carry the ashes away; there's nothing left to collect. If it is the wreck of the submersible, I say leave it there; let it become a part of the ongoing legend of the Titanic. The math doesn't add up on incineration. Maybe mild burning but I'm not even sure skin can burn that fast. I can slip my hand through 2,000 degree flames briefly and barely feel warmth. In the millisecond or so it took for the implosion to happen I don't even think 10,000 degrees is enough to cause burns before the cold water hit. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:07:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's not a cake walk. But we've achieved far greater extremes than that. A couple miles of cable isn't really the end of the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They’d need a couple miles of cable, and storing and deploying that amount of cable has its own set of problems. I know it's not a cake walk. But we've achieved far greater extremes than that. A couple miles of cable isn't really the end of the world. There is a whe lot of coulda, woulda, should but at the end of the day, unfortunately they fucked around and found out. Its really that simple. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:08:10 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:22:57 PM EST
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I haven't heard anything on the local (Chicago) news.
Glad the thing imploded. At least it was fast. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:46:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean it's certainly possible. 1" cable has a minimum break strength of over 100k lbs. That's 5x the weight of the sub, but keep in mind that displacement is attributed to the sub buoyancy (everything weighs less in water). Granted you'd need a big ship certainly. But high risk operations like this...you'd think that would be a thing. I guess at the end of the day it's an easy corner to cut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. You would probably need 5 miles of line and who knows how strong to lift a 20,000 lbs submersible. You can even properly use 100lb fishing line 300-400’ deep because of the pressure of the water and current. With the amount of line out a few miles the pressure would enormous.. … It doesn’t seem possible. Doesn’t really matter though when the thing implodes I mean it's certainly possible. 1" cable has a minimum break strength of over 100k lbs. That's 5x the weight of the sub, but keep in mind that displacement is attributed to the sub buoyancy (everything weighs less in water). Granted you'd need a big ship certainly. But high risk operations like this...you'd think that would be a thing. I guess at the end of the day it's an easy corner to cut. How much does 2.5 miles of 1" cable weigh? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:49:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean it's certainly possible. 1" cable has a minimum break strength of over 100k lbs. That's 5x the weight of the sub, but keep in mind that displacement is attributed to the sub buoyancy (everything weighs less in water). Granted you'd need a big ship certainly. But high risk operations like this...you'd think that would be a thing. I guess at the end of the day it's an easy corner to cut. How far out would the sub have to start as the line pays out and the current pushes the line? Sub probably couldn't overcome the force of the line and current to get to spot they selected.  The Fifth Element Big Bada Boom |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 7:57:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much does 2.5 miles of 1" cable weigh? Ironically the same weight as the sub, about 22k lbs. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:03:02 PM EST
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Some of the comments in this thread.....
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:06:41 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:11:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Believe it. Gas Law says so. PV=nRT Quote HistoryQuoted: Believe it. Gas Law says so. PV=nRT Ideal Gas law (you left out the ideal part) says the air temperature increased if the air was within a closed system, no energy was absorbed by surroundings, there was nothing except air inside the space, etc. But that'snot the reality so Odeal gas law isn'tdirectly applicable. Did the air temperature increase? Most definitely, the math done by another poster (I quoted it below bc I'm too lazy to do the math) says it could reach a bit north of 2,000 degress assuming it was perfectly compressed before the air mixed with the water and it was cooled. Even if we assume that's what happened that doesn't equal incineration. Build a nice big camp fire, get it hot, then very quickly wave your hand through the flames. You won't even singe the hair on your hand (assuming you're a man and have some hair on your hands). The math says the implosion of a sub at that depth takes approximately a millisecond. Your hand is in the flames as you wave it through the fire for a minimum of 25 milliseconds (actual time depends on how quickly you wave it through). Nobody was incinerated, they were crushed. Depending on how the hull failed they may have been crushed flat by debris, possibly "shredded" by debris or turbulent water and the other bodies being slammed together, or they could have been somewhat equally compressed simply by application of equal pressure all around. Reality is that it was probably a mix of all those with quite a bit of the blender effect with a good dose of being crushed between pieces of debris. Quoted: the temp shot up to 2100 degrees |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:20:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: knew they were doomed when the subbrief yt video came out shame about all the people and equipment mobilized oh well; suppose it'll be a game of lawsuits from here forward What's left to sue? The dead ceo stated they were losing money when the CBS reporter did the dives. They had to fucking charter surface vessels to take the Titan to the crash site, and the ceo is as dead as a door nail. Eta the waiver stated the sub was experimental and not certified. Mentioned numerous ways of dying on the first page. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:26:58 PM EST
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Quoted: You'd think they'd just start hooking up a recovery line to these things. Shit gets lost at sea...maybe put a giant line on it with a reel on the ship. Or an emergency flotation system. Something. This seems so incredibly archaic in 2023. Tethers have their own problems. They're more likely to become entangled and cause the vessel to become immobilized. It's my understanding that the vessel had an emergency flotation system. The ballast weight could be dropped and the vessel would become positively buoyant and float to the surface. None of that helps when she blows apart in a millisecond though. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:28:10 PM EST
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I'm going with "they didn't know what hit them" for $500.
No ear ringing, stars or momentary disorientation. Wokeness kills |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:32:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5800 and change but the correct answer is "more than enough." About 1/3 of the chamber pressure of a .45 Long Colt. So more than enough. Mariana trench is more pressure than .45 colt. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:34:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was proven in the same way that I can load a single round into a 6-shot revolver, spin the cylinder, point it at my head, and pull the trigger. "See, Russian Roulette is proven safe!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The sub was proven. They also had access to all of the controversial information. It was risky for sure, but I wouldn’t call it stupid. It proved it could do it a few times......I give you that but it wasn't tested by ANY regulatory agency on the planet on how much it could handle long term. It was proven in the same way that I can load a single round into a 6-shot revolver, spin the cylinder, point it at my head, and pull the trigger. "See, Russian Roulette is proven safe!" How many times did they go down in that sub? One less time with the next one. Callous way to look at it but with an experimental craft that's your testing procedure. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:41:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Qualities of being filthy rich? I mean, I don’t wish this on anyone, but I find it difficult to view it tragically. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RIP The number of comments here making light of, or downright celebrating this loss of life is disgusting. Those people had the balls to follow their dreams, and push boundaries not many other people do. I wouldn’t call them heroes, but they damn sure had the qualities that we need in men today. Hopefully some will learn from this, and push forward on the project. Qualities of being filthy rich? I mean, I don’t wish this on anyone, but I find it difficult to view it tragically. Yeah, fuck the rich, right? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:45:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sub had been making trips to the Titanic since 2021. So, how many cycles prior to failure? Maybe park them at 50%? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:47:26 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, fuck the rich, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RIP The number of comments here making light of, or downright celebrating this loss of life is disgusting. Those people had the balls to follow their dreams, and push boundaries not many other people do. I wouldn’t call them heroes, but they damn sure had the qualities that we need in men today. Hopefully some will learn from this, and push forward on the project. Qualities of being filthy rich? I mean, I don’t wish this on anyone, but I find it difficult to view it tragically. Yeah, fuck the rich, right? @FredMan (like many people) has tragically had communist propaganda implanted in his subconscious, making him think that earning money is inherently unethical. The opposite is much more true. As long as you aren’t acting unethically, making money is a benefit for everyone. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:49:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5800 and change but the correct answer is "more than enough." This is why I don’t do math. Everyone is working diligently to find the exact amount of pressure you would experience down there. I’m looking at how strong you’d have to build the next one so there’s no chance of this happening again. How strong? Overbuilt! |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:49:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The sub was proven. They also had access to all of the controversial information. It was risky for sure, but I wouldn’t call it stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RIP The number of comments here making light of, or downright celebrating this loss of life is disgusting. Those people had the balls to follow their dreams, and push boundaries not many other people do. I wouldn’t call them heroes, but they damn sure had the qualities that we need in men today. Hopefully some will learn from this, and push forward on the project. So, you don't allow for the possibility that people can be flat out stupid taking chances with their own lives? I don't think I would have trusted my fate to a homemade submarine with a waiver that mentions death several times on the first page. The sub was proven. They also had access to all of the controversial information. It was risky for sure, but I wouldn’t call it stupid. Proven? You mean exact replicas were cycle tested to 6000 psi repeatedly and subjected to non-destructive inspection ( xrayed ) looking for premature fractures, failure points and deformations after each 10 hour drive to 12,500 , inspected for corrosion and wear points and then repeatedly cycled in and out of the pressure environment to determine cycles till failure? That type of proven or that they just used it a few times before and hoped for the best. Do they even have an inspection protocol after each dive? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:50:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @FredMan (like many people) has tragically had communist propaganda implanted in his subconscious, making him think that earning money is inherently unethical. The opposite is much more true. As long as you aren’t acting unethically, making money is a benefit for everyone. You misunderstand. I don’t think it’s tragic when some rich guy pays a bunch of money to engage in inherently deadly activities, and then dies. I don’t think it’s tragic when some bum living under a bridge dies from drinking sterno. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:52:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: chum and goo. Yup Google Byford Dolphin autopsy photos 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:54:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A debris field means it was fairly quick. In one piece with a hull breach from a slow leak would have kept it together. I think a slow leak at that depth would rapidly turn into an implosion anyway. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:07:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am surprised they admitted they have the capability to detect and triangulate something as small as that. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:08:56 PM EST
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 The Front Fell Off! |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:11:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Proven? You mean exact replicas were cycle tested to 6000 psi repeatedly and subjected to non-destructive inspection ( xrayed ) looking for premature fractures, failure points and deformations after each 10 hour drive to 12,500 , inspected for corrosion and wear points and then repeatedly cycled in and out of the pressure environment to determine cycles till failure? That type of proven or that they just used it a few times before and hoped for the best. Do they even have an inspection protocol after each dive? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: RIP The number of comments here making light of, or downright celebrating this loss of life is disgusting. Those people had the balls to follow their dreams, and push boundaries not many other people do. I wouldn’t call them heroes, but they damn sure had the qualities that we need in men today. Hopefully some will learn from this, and push forward on the project. So, you don't allow for the possibility that people can be flat out stupid taking chances with their own lives? I don't think I would have trusted my fate to a homemade submarine with a waiver that mentions death several times on the first page. The sub was proven. They also had access to all of the controversial information. It was risky for sure, but I wouldn’t call it stupid. Proven? You mean exact replicas were cycle tested to 6000 psi repeatedly and subjected to non-destructive inspection ( xrayed ) looking for premature fractures, failure points and deformations after each 10 hour drive to 12,500 , inspected for corrosion and wear points and then repeatedly cycled in and out of the pressure environment to determine cycles till failure? That type of proven or that they just used it a few times before and hoped for the best. Do they even have an inspection protocol after each dive? 4 trips without an issue. Proof that the construction was solid. Longevity is another issue. Obviously. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:12:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You misunderstand. I don’t think it’s tragic when some rich guy pays a bunch of money to engage in inherently deadly activities, and then dies. I don’t think it’s tragic when some bum living under a bridge dies from drinking sterno. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @FredMan (like many people) has tragically had communist propaganda implanted in his subconscious, making him think that earning money is inherently unethical. The opposite is much more true. As long as you aren’t acting unethically, making money is a benefit for everyone. You misunderstand. I don’t think it’s tragic when some rich guy pays a bunch of money to engage in inherently deadly activities, and then dies. I don’t think it’s tragic when some bum living under a bridge dies from drinking sterno. Not into motorsports I see. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:16:31 PM EST
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Quoted: LOL. They found the Titanic debris 30+ years ago. Quoted: Wasn’t the Titanic’s debris field found decades ago? You two can't be that fucking stupid 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:30:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You two can't be that fucking stupid Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. They found the Titanic debris 30+ years ago. Quoted: Wasn’t the Titanic’s debris field found decades ago? You two can't be that fucking stupid Well, this IS GD after all. |
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