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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:44:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:46:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The noise being heard is not any person. Even my wife pointed out that if someone in that sub was trying to signal, they’d bang out … - - - … Everyone knows this bit of morse code. What would that sound like after echoes and passing through various salinity and thermal layers in over two miles of water? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it says more about the fabric of society that some egotistical woke rich dude thought his money made him smarter than the experts he mocked for their race and age and it resulted in his demise aboard a shoddily built death machine.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:53:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Titan II. They started booking at 9am this morning on kickstarter 10% off with cash. I ain't paying no 3% cc fee. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:53:14 AM EDT
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Here’s hoping that all the actual experts, that complained about design and safety issues, were wrong and there wasn’t a catastrophic implosion.
Also that they are sitting peacefully on the bottom, in complete darkness, conserving air, banging away on something metal as millions of dollars are being spent to find them…..and the shitter isn’t full. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:54:46 AM EDT
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I lol at the people clutching pearls about the government taking 4 days to get another submersible capable of diving that deep to the grave site.
Planning for a rescue is the responsibility of the company taking people down there for profit. Not some random strangers. Remember, the government is not here to save you. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:54:55 AM EDT
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I'm a not an engineer in that field of underwater travel.
However the entire thing seems rigged from top to bottom. That says a lot considering for the last 33 years I've designed, fabricated and erected quick turnaround structures, piping, vessels, and such in chemical plants and refineries when something breaks down, bruns up, blows up. I been a lot of rules. Bend, bot break. I know the OSHA regulator on hand on a first name basis and we work together to "bend" a lot of rules not break them in order to keep them disaster from getting worse and at the same time having the process get back online. Money is not ojbect in most cases, time is. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it says more about the fabric of society that some egotistical woke rich dude thought his money made him smarter than the experts he mocked for their race and age and it resulted in his demise aboard a shoddily built death machine. Was that the billionaire that is now an attraction or the tourist company owner? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. It’s one thing to make fun of somebody who is the victim of misfortune and that doesn’t often happen. It’s another thing to make fun of people who reap their own misfortune whether through hubris (ceo guy) or willful ignorance (the rich people). The only person involved who likely shares no fault is the 19 year old son - I was pretty dumb at 19 and if I was raised as a rich kid I’d also probably go along with anything my dad told me. Additionally, I believe it’s human nature to view with disdain people who achieve things without putting in the effort. Like rich people who climb Mt Everest when they hire sherpas to carry their gear, the rich kid in high school who’s parents bought him a $$$$ car, or the worthless guy at work who got the job due to nepotism. You wouldn’t be complaining if we were laughing at the Russian guy who stuck his arm in a bear cage and the bear ripped his arm off. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:56:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. That's a pretty good analogy imo. This was 4-5 people in a big wingsuit from Wish.com. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:58:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10% off with cash. I ain't paying no 3% cc fee. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Titan II. They started booking at 9am this morning on kickstarter 10% off with cash. I ain't paying no 3% cc fee. The Ticketmaster fees are what'll get you |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:58:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most logical and satisfying thing they could have done about 12 hours in would to have strangled the motherfucker in charge to death. If they did that they still have hours of air left.  Sam Hyde On The OceanGate Titanic Submarine |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:58:53 AM EDT
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Probably going to be a 50 something white guy that finds this thing.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:01:06 AM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_
These things no longer have a "dump ballast, float to surface" option? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:01:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What would that sound like after echoes and passing through various salinity and thermal layers in over two miles of water? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The noise being heard is not any person. Even my wife pointed out that if someone in that sub was trying to signal, they’d bang out … - - - … Everyone knows this bit of morse code. What would that sound like after echoes and passing through various salinity and thermal layers in over two miles of water? 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:02:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no not the fabric of society  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Oh no not the fabric of society I know right. It’s a pretty difficult concept for some to grasp. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably going to be a 50 something white guy that finds this thing. Or, if they never find it, 50 something white guys will be blamed for not finding it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably going to be a 50 something white guy that finds this thing.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:04:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that doesnt mean they didnt make it down there, they have lost comms many times during many of the trips down. and they were close to being on bottom when they lost comms.. and hour and 45 mins into a 2 hour decent. 15 mins away is not far They have temporarily lost comms in the past. the sub has no navigation capability and has to be guided to the wreck by the mother ship. The subs only navigation capability appears to be the ability to find its own wreck site. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:04:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:04:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:05:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:06:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here’s hoping that all the actual experts, that complained about design and safety issues, were wrong and there wasn’t a catastrophic implosion. Also that they are sitting peacefully on the bottom, in complete darkness, conserving air, banging away on something metal as millions of dollars are being spent to find them…..and the shitter isn’t full. Catastrophic implosion might be preferable than dying from lack of oxygen. Would your brain even have time to process what’s happening? Probably wouldn’t feel a thing it would be so quick. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:06:28 AM EDT
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25 hours later, I'll say it again.
Eventually that sub will be found. If they do raise it and break out the lug wrench and pop the hatch open, they will find the owner with his hat shoved down his throat strangled by his own socks and a game controller shoved up his ass. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:06:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What would that sound like after echoes and passing through various salinity and thermal layers in over two miles of water? "Fuck you Stockton Rush" |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:07:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it says more about the fabric of society that some egotistical woke rich dude thought his money made him smarter than the experts he mocked for their race and age and it resulted in his demise aboard a shoddily built death machine. Also, stupid shit like this stunt is not a new thing:   |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:07:37 AM EDT
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CO2 scrubbers probably don't work well as the temperature dropped.
No matter how much extra O2 they have CO2 would have raised to toxic levels days ago. Still think implosion got them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:07:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I lol at the people clutching pearls about the government taking 4 days to get another submersible capable of diving that deep to the grave site. Planning for a rescue is the responsibility of the company taking people down there for profit. Not some random strangers. Remember, the government is not here to save you. Considering the people we now routinely abandon in areas like Afghanistan and Sudan, it actually pisses me off that we are spending resources to go after 5 assholes that willingly got on that dumbass contraption. Their lives are no less valuable, and they were far more careless with them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:08:30 AM EDT
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I know most of us feel bad about 4 people dying in that machine. But is there anyone who feels bad for Cockton Rush(ceo oceangate)? I for one do not.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:09:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. Yeah. I don’t think most people are laughing at their deaths. Most of the jokes are related to the incredible absurdity of the whole operation. From the game controller to Wal Mart chairs and the CEO trashing white men there are plenty of opportunities for mockery. This isn’t like people are making fun of trapped Chilean miners. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Sorry but you pay twice what a middle class family earns for 4 hours going where no reasonable human should be on a vessel that looks like the Iranians built…all you can do is laugh. Murder, crime, mayhem, accidents, acts of nature—absolutely requires decorum. This thing is approaching Jackass levels of nope. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:10:42 AM EDT
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sadly pretty much all rescue theater at this point
chalk it up to a flawed execution of a cascade of bad ideas |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:10:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:10:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably going to be a 50 something white guy that finds this thing. Search area twice the size of the state of Connecticut. Thousands of feet deep in the ocean looking for something the size of a car. And that’s if it’s even still in 1 piece. My moneys on it never being found. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:11:08 AM EDT
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Even on some land structures that we have built for the last half a century some parts of it now require 100% weld testing. Either mag particle, dye penetration test, or xray.
Doesn't sound like they were big into testing stuff even if the design was top notch. Of course I can be built the most redneck and rigged thing here at the house. If I charged people to use it I'd be shut down in a hurry and be liable for any issues. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:12:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much. Also, stupid shit like this stunt is not a new thing: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9b/43/2b/9b432bdee81937874e522d5995c1d54a--famous-waterfalls-steel-barrel.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wnmk4e1m3QQ/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it says more about the fabric of society that some egotistical woke rich dude thought his money made him smarter than the experts he mocked for their race and age and it resulted in his demise aboard a shoddily built death machine. Also, stupid shit like this stunt is not a new thing: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9b/43/2b/9b432bdee81937874e522d5995c1d54a--famous-waterfalls-steel-barrel.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wnmk4e1m3QQ/maxresdefault.jpg And people should continue to be free to do stupid shit. Even if they want to try to dive to the titanic. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:12:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s one thing to make fun of somebody who is the victim of misfortune and that doesn’t often happen. It’s another thing to make fun of people who reap their own misfortune whether through hubris (ceo guy) or willful ignorance (the rich people). The only person involved who likely shares no fault is the 19 year old son - I was pretty dumb at 19 and if I was raised as a rich kid I’d also probably go along with anything my dad told me. Additionally, I believe it’s human nature to view with disdain people who achieve things without putting in the effort. Like rich people who climb Mt Everest when they hire sherpas to carry their gear, the rich kid in high school who’s parents bought him a $$$$ car, or the worthless guy at work who got the job due to nepotism. You wouldn’t be complaining if we were laughing at the Russian guy who stuck his arm in a bear cage and the bear ripped his arm off. I think we're at a point in society where the friction between regular people and the ultra wealthy is fostering genuine hate. And I don't think it's unjustified. Why would the average man mourn the death of a billionaire taking a frivolous expensive trip and having the hubris to ignore the risks? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:12:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Search area twice the size of the state of Connecticut. Thousands of feet deep in the ocean looking for something the size of a car. And that’s if it’s even still in 1 piece. My moneys on it never being found. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably going to be a 50 something white guy that finds this thing. Search area twice the size of the state of Connecticut. Thousands of feet deep in the ocean looking for something the size of a car. And that’s if it’s even still in 1 piece. My moneys on it never being found. Safe thread. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:13:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. I agree. I wonder if he'd find it humorous if one of those aboard were a friend or loved one? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know most of us feel bad about 4 people dying in that machine. But is there anyone who feels bad for Cockton Rush(ceo oceangate)? I for one do not. It’s difficult to. His arrogance and ego likely killed 4 other people. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:14:23 AM EDT
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I took a moment this morning to think about the 5 souls that ran out of time sometime this morning. Regardless of anything else I wish them a swift painless journey to the next stage awaiting them.
For the families I share their sorrow having lost to many family members. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:14:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even on some land structures that we have built for the last half a century some parts of it now require 100% weld testing. Either mag particle, dye penetration test, or xray. Doesn't sound like they were big into testing stuff even if the design was top notch. I think the consensus was the design was fairly sound but they were highly averse to testing it, so much so they fired the guy that said they should test it. The confidence from the 'successful' prior sorties probably only made things worse, despite the obvious fact they had - from the beginning - serious issues with comms. On a vessel dependent on reliable comms. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:15:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they tracked this thing from the surface with side scan sonar completely through the mission. That’s how they let the crew know where to drive the thing to end up at the right spot. I keep hearing they lost comms with the sub but no one brings up the side scan tracking. Even with no comms they should know exactly where it is via the side scan sonar tracking. If the ship lost the tracking via sonar AND the comms at the same time then it likely imploded. What an I missing here? This is what I've been thinking all along. And honestly, they probably would have "heard" the implosion on sonar too, right? I'm also wondering if their sonar could have tracked the titanium pieces floating (rapidly, I would assume) to the bottom after the implosion. It will be interesting to see what data comes out of the mothership once this is all over and someone investigates. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even on some land structures that we have built for the last half a century some parts of it now require 100% weld testing. Either mag particle, dye penetration test, or xray. Doesn't sound like they were big into testing stuff even if the design was top notch. Of course I can be built the most redneck and rigged thing here at the house. If I charged people to use it I'd be shut down in a hurry and be liable for any issues. There is an assumption that the people in the tube didn’t know how it was built. Maybe they did. And maybe the CEO going calmed their nerves. Who knows? No one now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can get past the use of a gaming controller and maybe even the shitty exterior exposed wire looms. But I can't understand the use of what looks like tiny 3/8" cap bolts, the spacing of the bolts and the extremely tiny O ring used on the nose hatch. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/395220/Screenshot_20230622-042919_png-2860000.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/395220/Screenshot_20230622-042944_png-2860001.JPG As far as the bolts, the pressure is pushing in on the shell, not out. They are just needed to hold it in place. You would want the smallest o ring possible, it is the most likely point of failure on that part, and by far the piece least able to withstand the pressure. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:19:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See this is why they don't let the grab assin booger eaters from the Army run reactors anymore. They tried it, it ended badly.   You navy types kinda made a shit show out of TMI but still...nobody got pinned to the ceiling, so you've got that going for you.  I'm Nuke Waste from the '80s...nice reference. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one has any idea, really. As any diver or firefighter knows from experience, breathing rates will be a significant factor ...and the breathing rates of untrained passengers under stress are likely to adversely impact their supply significantly. I'm also skeptical of the company's 96-hour estimate of supply/scrubbing, but even assuming it is a fair estimate for 5 people, I believe the stress would have pushed them to the limit already, assuming, of course, they did not perish in a fire or due to catastrophic structural failure, which I think is more likely. This is spot on! Respiration rates change significantly when a shit ton of stress and fear is thrown into the equation! |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:19:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_ These things no longer have a "dump ballast, float to surface" option? The Titan was not designed to do anything other than crush five people at depth. There were tons of experts that warned the moron CEO his submersible design needed extensive testing, and he was like, “fuck spending that kind of money, it’ll be fine.” Now he’s dead. ETA: along with the other four he swindled into a watery grave. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:20:02 AM EDT
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How many millions of dollars of tax payer's money has been spent trying to rescue these morons?
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:20:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. If we can't enjoy a little schadenfreude over this level of moronic hubris, then when do we get to? |
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