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Quoted: I’m going with that. The launch ship had to have some good sonar and even that deep heard something. View Quote Form the replies on his IG channel/account/whatever: my understanding is the communication system they’re using for topside communication is a hydrophone (or something like that). They’d have heard it [sic] an implosion. |
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Audio released of the banging sounds heard by the US Navy
*Edit probably a fake. Has been passed around. A link to it Link to audio |
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Quoted: Dont see a whole lot of extra tanks of compressed air on that puppy either for breathing or floatation... There should have been several redundant layers of recovery for it in case of failure... Guess they planned for catastrophic failure instead...it was like a kamakazi version of voyage to the bottom of the sea... View Quote It seems that their failsafes all assumed a less than catastrophic type of failure, which in a way is reasonable, but it just overwhelmingly seems that the guy grossly discounted the catastrophic failures as the most likely type to happen. |
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Quoted: I was floored when I read that earlier. Unbelievable, really, to have someone involved with this be a descendent of Isidor and Ida Straus. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Well, there's some more irony for you. Apparently, the wife of the Oceangate CEO is descended from Titanic victims (great-great grandaughter of Macy's founder). I was floored when I read that earlier. Unbelievable, really, to have someone involved with this be a descendent of Isidor and Ida Straus. Money has a way of circulating around the top of the pool...though not for the guys in that can. Money looks after, and seeks out, more money. |
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Quoted: I also heard that the search area was "half a Belgium" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I posted the actual calculations earlier in the thread. Water doesn't really compress (in theory it does, in reality even at 12,500' it does not), so density is pretty constant, at around 64 pounds per cubic foot. That's the figure I used earlier. And even at deep sea pressures it's only going to be a little more than 65 pounds per cubic foot. Let's use 65 as a very reasonable average. Such a cubic foot has 144 inches of footprint, and 65/144 is 0.451388888888 PSI. The titanic sits on the ocean floor at very nearly 12,500 feet. 12,500 * 0.45138888888 gives us ~5642 PSI of pressure. The actual pressure, were you to somehow take a reliable measuring device to the sea floor by the Titanic wreck, would be very, very, very close to this 5642 figure, possibly slightly less, possibly slightly more. The figures of 5000 or 5500 or 5850 or 6000 are not estimates, they are just rounded numbers. Sort of like 'we searched an area about Two Connecticuts in size'. I suppose you could argue that 5500 or 6000 are reasonably 'rounded' figures. The '2' isn't significant. The '40' might not even be significant. But the numbers aren't rounded because of a lack of understanding of how to calculate pressure at depth; they're rounded because they're targeted to an audience who doesn't know, or generally even care, about details. Just throw out a big scary number. *shrug* Not a unit of measurement I'm familiar with. How many school buses is that? |
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Quoted: Audio released of the banging sounds heard by the US Navy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgoXlC9ge6w View Quote Might indicate that someone is, or was still alive at the time of the sounding. Or the sub folding up like an accordion. Either way, the Devil had his day. Hey, sounds like a poem. |
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Quoted: And one of the features was dissolvable glue that let go at 16hrs dropping the ballast. Guess that failed to work (or it imploded) View Quote |
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If we are gonna do tourism visits to the wreck of the Titanic why do they not anchor a buoy near it? They could then follow the buoy anchor line down and know that they end up near the wreck. Could even put an automated weather station, wave height reporter, and a navigation beacon on it. View Quote Just consult with FJB. Build a train track to the site and then take an elevator down. |
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Quoted: Yeah the company where they should have bought their submersible from uses full Acrylic hulls. They have a few models that could make it down to the Titanic. Pretty interesting that they would decide to try to make their own rather than get one of these or have one built https://tritonsubs.com/subs/ultradeep/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the main window is i deed acrylic and not polycarbonate, that right there leads to questions. Acrylic, may be optically more clear, there is a reason aircraft use polycarbonate. Acrylic doesn't crackle as the idiot CEO says, it shatters like glass. There's a good reason it's not allowed to be used in race vehicles. Acrlic, actually IIRC a single acrylic company, makes the vast majority off submersible viewports. Yeah the company where they should have bought their submersible from uses full Acrylic hulls. They have a few models that could make it down to the Titanic. Pretty interesting that they would decide to try to make their own rather than get one of these or have one built https://tritonsubs.com/subs/ultradeep/ |
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Quoted: A typical oxygen tank (like this) holds 1700 liters and weighs about 10kg https://www.oxygenone.com/uploads/userfiles/files/images/In-Content%20Images/M60%20for%20web.png So they would need 7 of those. Of course, this disregards the whole CO2 issue, which is the real limiting factor..... I'm not sure exactly what it would take to scrub that much CO2 for 20 man-days in such a small space... but I'm betting they didn't have it. View Quote Oxygen cylinders come in different sizes. The small ones are used, because they are small. Like if grandpa wants one to walk around with, you give him a smaller one. Hopefully the diversity hires knew about H size cylinders, or larger. They're large enough we transport them on dollies, but can still be manipulated by 1 person. They are around 5ft long and hold 7000 liters. A couple H cylinders would make more sense than 7 smaller ones. But then again, nothing about the design of this sub seems to be done because it made sense. I'm with you on the CO2 situation, though. Getting rid of the CO2 in the area would be the big concern. Can the scrubbers work indefinitely like a houseplant, or do they get filled up and need to be dumped? If dad and son killed everybody else, would the CO2 scrubbers be able to keep up with 2 people breathing? |
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Quoted: If we are gonna do tourism visits to the wreck of the Titanic why do they not anchor a buoy near it? They could then follow the buoy anchor line down and know that they end up near the wreck. Could even put an automated weather station, wave height reporter, and a navigation beacon on it. View Quote For the price people are willing to pay, a floating taco truck and pay toilet system would be great, too. |
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Quoted: Audio released of the banging sounds heard by the US Navy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgoXlC9ge6w View Quote Posted by "Md Salehin Ahmadi", an account with 2 subscribers. |
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Quoted: Audio released of the banging sounds heard by the US Navy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgoXlC9ge6w View Quote |
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Quoted: If we are gonna do tourism visits to the wreck of the Titanic why do they not anchor a buoy near it? They could then follow the buoy anchor line down and know that they end up near the wreck. Could even put an automated weather station, wave height reporter, and a navigation beacon on it. View Quote |
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Quoted: Because carbon fiber's best strength is in the tensile strength of it's fibers. I.E. when they are being pulled apart, NOT when being compressed. Think about it like this... A tire has cords in it to add strength to the rubber. They are arranged so that the pressure inside the tire is pushing against the tensile strength of those cords. This is why tires can hold the high pressures they do. The rubber alone wouldn't be sufficient. Now what happens if you have a higher pressure OUTSIDE the tire than inside? You are now relying on the strength of the rubber and the mass of the cords for the tire to hold it's shape. The tensile strength of the cords is no longer relevant. At all. Whole different ballgame of forces at work here. This is why carbon fiber CAN make very good pressure vessels, but only when the pressure is working against the tensile strength of the fibers (when the pressure is INSIDE the vessel). This is also why carbon fiber is a bad plan for making submarine hulls. Crude explanation I know, but hope it makes sense. View Quote C/e laminates are just about as good in compression (or can be). I'm still not sure why someone would want to build a sub out of it. Are subs really that weight critical? |
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The ‘banging’ detected by rescuers in the hunt for the missing Titan submarine appears to have been just “background ocean noise”, it is revealed as the craft passes the crucial 96-hour oxygen point on Thursday.
The U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral leading the response to the dissapearance of the submersible Titan off the wreckage of the RMS Titanic in the northwest Atlantic has dashed the hopes of many that the detection of a banging noice in the sea may lead rescuers to the stricken craft. Speaking to Britain’s Sky News television channel, Rear Admiral John Mauger said that while the noises detected were still being analysed, it appeared that what had previously been characterised by banging as some was actually “background ocean noise”. The search was ongoing despite the analysis, the officer said, and that he was in contact with the families of those onboard. |
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Quoted: How do you feel if a boat full of refugees capsizes and the refugees drown? How does most of this website feel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: this seen the memes...chortled a bit here and there whats fucking sickening in (mainly the left) celebrating their deaths as "who cares if a billionaire dies--fuck em" disgusting as its coming from a bunch of lazy fucks that demand the "rich" pay for all their laziness and debauchery. How do you feel if a boat full of refugees capsizes and the refugees drown? How does most of this website feel? I’ll bite. Sorry they died but I don’t "feel" much of anything. I certainly don’t go looking for a tissue and corner to cry in or my safe space. They made the decision to risk their life, either willfully accepting the risk or not educated enough to access the risk..is no one’s problem but theirs. Period. I know of several boats loaded with Haitian refugees from the Bahamas to the US that disappeared that never even really made the US news. Barely made the news in the Bahamas. Sometimes there is only street talk a dozen bodies washed up on xyz island or the boat never made it, one person found, says they were with 20 others, etc. It’s just another story of people making poor choices that cost them their lives. Happens every day and has zero to do with "not caring". |
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Quoted: That guys youtube page only has 2 vids in 8 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Audio released of the banging sounds heard by the US Navy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgoXlC9ge6w Does that make him more or less trustworthy than a Youtube attention whore? Besides, "Baby Rabbit is fighting for food" (45 views) is a very impressive first video. |
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Quoted: Oxygen cylinders come in different sizes. The small ones are used, because they are small. Like if grandpa wants one to walk around with, you give him a smaller one. Hopefully the diversity hires knew about H size cylinders, or larger. They're large enough we transport them on dollies, but can still be manipulated by 1 person. They are around 5ft long and hold 7000 liters. A couple H cylinders would make more sense than 7 smaller ones. But then again, nothing about the design of this sub seems to be done because it made sense. I'm with you on the CO2 situation, though. Getting rid of the CO2 in the area would be the big concern. Can the scrubbers work indefinitely like a houseplant, or do they get filled up and need to be dumped? If dad and son killed everybody else, would the CO2 scrubbers be able to keep up with 2 people breathing? View Quote How much cheaper would 7 small tanks cost vs. The H tank option. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if their co2 scrubber was 3 ferns in the back. |
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Quoted: How much cheaper would 7 small tanks cost vs. The H tank option. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if their co2 scrubber was 3 ferns in the back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oxygen cylinders come in different sizes. The small ones are used, because they are small. Like if grandpa wants one to walk around with, you give him a smaller one. Hopefully the diversity hires knew about H size cylinders, or larger. They're large enough we transport them on dollies, but can still be manipulated by 1 person. They are around 5ft long and hold 7000 liters. A couple H cylinders would make more sense than 7 smaller ones. But then again, nothing about the design of this sub seems to be done because it made sense. I'm with you on the CO2 situation, though. Getting rid of the CO2 in the area would be the big concern. Can the scrubbers work indefinitely like a houseplant, or do they get filled up and need to be dumped? If dad and son killed everybody else, would the CO2 scrubbers be able to keep up with 2 people breathing? How much cheaper would 7 small tanks cost vs. The H tank option. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if their co2 scrubber was 3 ferns in the back. |
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Quoted: One of my character shortcomings as a person who likes math and has spent his life reading terribly written hit-pieces about my favorite hobby, is that if you locked me in a room with someone who wrote like that, terrible things would happen. 6,000 psi is not 'two tons'. It's three tons of pressure per square inch. And the 6,000 psi figure isn't even right. It's more like ~5,500 psi. View Quote Yeah its definitely wrong but if you like math don't forgot the British ton is a US Long Ton. So ~2.68 limey tons? |
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Quoted: Does that make him more or less trustworthy than a Youtube attention whore? Besides, "Baby Rabbit is fighting for food" (45 views) is a very impressive first video. View Quote Given that there is no credible source currently claiming the US Navy (or anyone else) has released audio of the "knocking", I'm going with less. |
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Quoted: Speaking to Britain’s Sky News television channel, Rear Admiral John Mauger said that while the noises detected were still being analysed, it appeared that what had previously been characterised by banging as some was actually “background ocean noise”. The search was ongoing despite the analysis, the officer said, and that he was in contact with the families of those onboard. View Quote "Hey, it's me again, Admiral Mauger. Yeah, it still looks like they're fucked. Call you back in 10 minutes." |
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Quoted: There's been an undercurrent of class envy in this thread for a long time. It's one thing to hate people for being stupid or arrogant; it's quite another to hate them for being wealthy. There was at least one screenshot where some leftist had written an article pearl-clutching about the CEO's conservative leanings and political donations. We expect such from the left; our own side should act better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: this seen the memes...chortled a bit here and there whats fucking sickening in (mainly the left) celebrating their deaths as "who cares if a billionaire dies--fuck em" disgusting as its coming from a bunch of lazy fucks that demand the "rich" pay for all their laziness and debauchery. There's been an undercurrent of class envy in this thread for a long time. It's one thing to hate people for being stupid or arrogant; it's quite another to hate them for being wealthy. There was at least one screenshot where some leftist had written an article pearl-clutching about the CEO's conservative leanings and political donations. We expect such from the left; our own side should act better. It’s not their wealth. It’s their arrogance that comes from their wealth. The wealthiest person in any given room will almost always feel like their options or vote should count the most. I’m the wealthiest person amongst all my family and wife’s family by a pretty large margin. I hate it, but it’s my default stance when I’m anround them. I have to remind myself at get togethers etc not to be that Dick. I grew up dirt poor, so I remember what it was like having people dismiss my ideas. That helps me fight the urge and stay humble. Let’s not even pretend like I’m anybody though. Im a big fish in an extremely tiny pond. What I’ve earned in life is not even a drop of piss in a bucket for the world these billionaires live in. It’s human psychology. Rich = the adult who knows best amongst the poor helpless children. Look no further than our government as an example. |
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Quoted: 5500psi water jet. Slice you like a side of beef. View Quote My bet, based on the dive bell autopsy reports shared earlier, and significantly lower/opposite pressures, the five man crew would be essentially vaporized and burnt by the highly pressurized breathing air spontaneously combusting. The only pieces left intact would be the two titanium end pieces. |
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Quoted: I wish Communists, Socialists, Marxists, Despots, Fascists, Child Sex Predators, Gun Grabbers, and Authoritarians dead. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're a better person than most here, then. No one here wishes anyone dead. Attached File |
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Quoted: A lesson I learned from the owner of a company I worked for a while back: You can tell how much a business values its customers by looking at their bathrooms. The skipper here had the customers on a bucket with ziplock baggies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Everything about the vessel tells you he gave zero shits about his clients. They were simply the money sponges to squeeze to pay for his tremendous achievement of turning a gravesite into a tourist attraction. A lesson I learned from the owner of a company I worked for a while back: You can tell how much a business values its customers by looking at their bathrooms. The skipper here had the customers on a bucket with ziplock baggies. That’s something I ever thought about consciously, but it’s pure truth. |
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Quoted: It’s not their wealth. It’s their arrogance that comes from their wealth. The wealthiest person in any given room will almost always feel like their options or vote should count the most. I’m the wealthiest person amongst all my family and wife’s family by a pretty large margin. I hate it, but it’s my default stance when I’m anround them. I have to remind myself at get togethers etc not to be that Dick. I grew up dirt poor, so I remember what it was like having people dismiss my ideas. That helps me fight the urge and stay humble. Let’s not even pretend like I’m anybody though. Im a big fish in an extremely tiny pond. What I’ve earned in life is not even a drop of piss in a bucket for the world these billionaires live in. It’s human psychology. Rich = the adult who knows best amongst the poor helpless children. Look no further than our government as an example. View Quote I've had a hypothesis from the beginning that after the sub lost contact with the mothership (as had occurred in the past), the Billionaires took a vote amongst themselves and elected to continue down for the other 20 minutes or whatever they had left to reach the Titanic- figuring they would just get comms again. I remember an earlier infographic stated that the lost contact at 5:45, but then received a distress signal at 10:00. I haven't heard that mentioned since, but suggests that they got themselves in trouble in the wreck. |
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Quoted: C/e laminates are just about as good in compression (or can be). I'm still not sure why someone would want to build a sub out of it. Are subs really that weight critical? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Because carbon fiber's best strength is in the tensile strength of it's fibers. I.E. when they are being pulled apart, NOT when being compressed. Think about it like this... A tire has cords in it to add strength to the rubber. They are arranged so that the pressure inside the tire is pushing against the tensile strength of those cords. This is why tires can hold the high pressures they do. The rubber alone wouldn't be sufficient. Now what happens if you have a higher pressure OUTSIDE the tire than inside? You are now relying on the strength of the rubber and the mass of the cords for the tire to hold it's shape. The tensile strength of the cords is no longer relevant. At all. Whole different ballgame of forces at work here. This is why carbon fiber CAN make very good pressure vessels, but only when the pressure is working against the tensile strength of the fibers (when the pressure is INSIDE the vessel). This is also why carbon fiber is a bad plan for making submarine hulls. Crude explanation I know, but hope it makes sense. C/e laminates are just about as good in compression (or can be). I'm still not sure why someone would want to build a sub out of it. Are subs really that weight critical? I know the difference in tensile vs compression in carbon fiber isn't like the tire example I used, but it's compression strength is between 30-50% of tensile strength. Even then it seems fiber type and layout method play major roles. So, roughly speaking, a pressure vessel built for external pressure would need to be twice as thick as one build for internal pressure. Given the lack of "50 year old white guys" I wonder if this was factored into the design? |
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Quoted: Posted by "Md Salehin Ahmadi", an account with 2 subscribers. View Quote I had found it here at this link. Then went and searched for a youtube link so I could embed it. Still not sure of the authenticity. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/update-audio-released-sounds-heard-every-thirty-minutes/ |
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Quoted: I have categorically rejected a lot of the speculation and sensationalized reporting based on a lack of details. My entire life I've been taught to ignore noise and focus on signal, and most news reporting is, well, noise. But in the absence of any actual signal, it's hard to keep ignoring the noise, so I've sorted through the noise looking for clues. At this point, I believe that the mother ship has suspected since Sunday afternoon that the sub simply imploded due to material fatigue from being worked beyond its limits. I also believe they've been tight-lipped about that, for the reasons you state. I have read thousands of posts here and dismissed them as peanut-gallery speculation (and they are, to be sure - that hasn't changed) on the assumption that surely there are more details known only to the mother ship and the rescuers. But those 'more details' simply aren't emerging now, and it's beginning to look like they never will. Because those other details apparently don't exist. I fear that I've been waiting on a 'rest of the story' that never existed. I have hoped since day one of this that, at a minimum, the mother ship had at least an idea of where the sub was, a sonar ping or something, and once the rescuers were in place they'd be able to home in on that area and find the sub in minutes, or hours. But that hasn't happened. I have hoped that the mother ship had an operating theory about what went wrong and either a highly educated guess as to where the ship was or a well-informed suspicion that it had been destroyed due to catastrophic failure. But if that's true, we haven't been told yet. I had hoped that the pictures shown with random cables sticking everywhere on the ship were prototype pictures. To some extent that hope was realized - it does look, based on the most recent evidence, like the last iteration of the design included some protection for the exterior cabling and other junk hanging off the ship. That's good. Obviously not good enough, though. Again, all of this could be speculation. They may be quietly winching the sub to the surface with five living passengers in it right now. But I'll freely admit that my hopes to that end are pretty much gone now. I have hoped all along that we'd have more reason to hope as the search went on and more details were released. But that simply hasn't happened, and as time goes on I'm more and more convinced that they aren't releasing any more details because they simply don't have anything good to release. The only details they have to release would just make their incompetence and recklessness more obvious. So they're sitting on those until the lawsuits come. (And again....the above is still peanut gallery level stuff. The people on site obviously know much more than we know. It may be that what they 'know' is simply the certainty of what the rest have been speculating all along) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't think they have much info to share because they never had any real systems on that craft to begin with. It seems like it was crude at best. Also the less they say now the better off they'll be from a lability perspective. That company and what's left of it's leadership knows they're in deep fucking shit. I have categorically rejected a lot of the speculation and sensationalized reporting based on a lack of details. My entire life I've been taught to ignore noise and focus on signal, and most news reporting is, well, noise. But in the absence of any actual signal, it's hard to keep ignoring the noise, so I've sorted through the noise looking for clues. At this point, I believe that the mother ship has suspected since Sunday afternoon that the sub simply imploded due to material fatigue from being worked beyond its limits. I also believe they've been tight-lipped about that, for the reasons you state. I have read thousands of posts here and dismissed them as peanut-gallery speculation (and they are, to be sure - that hasn't changed) on the assumption that surely there are more details known only to the mother ship and the rescuers. But those 'more details' simply aren't emerging now, and it's beginning to look like they never will. Because those other details apparently don't exist. I fear that I've been waiting on a 'rest of the story' that never existed. I have hoped since day one of this that, at a minimum, the mother ship had at least an idea of where the sub was, a sonar ping or something, and once the rescuers were in place they'd be able to home in on that area and find the sub in minutes, or hours. But that hasn't happened. I have hoped that the mother ship had an operating theory about what went wrong and either a highly educated guess as to where the ship was or a well-informed suspicion that it had been destroyed due to catastrophic failure. But if that's true, we haven't been told yet. I had hoped that the pictures shown with random cables sticking everywhere on the ship were prototype pictures. To some extent that hope was realized - it does look, based on the most recent evidence, like the last iteration of the design included some protection for the exterior cabling and other junk hanging off the ship. That's good. Obviously not good enough, though. Again, all of this could be speculation. They may be quietly winching the sub to the surface with five living passengers in it right now. But I'll freely admit that my hopes to that end are pretty much gone now. I have hoped all along that we'd have more reason to hope as the search went on and more details were released. But that simply hasn't happened, and as time goes on I'm more and more convinced that they aren't releasing any more details because they simply don't have anything good to release. The only details they have to release would just make their incompetence and recklessness more obvious. So they're sitting on those until the lawsuits come. (And again....the above is still peanut gallery level stuff. The people on site obviously know much more than we know. It may be that what they 'know' is simply the certainty of what the rest have been speculating all along) nice Lucid Recalling the primary sources of significant cost in Apollo-Saturn, a spacecraft system that lost no one in flight, and heavy lift rockets never "malfunctioned", even when hit by lightening: 2.2 million parts (plus testing/support) built by 20,000 companies and 425,000 people working around the clock with Unlimited Funding One-Off New Everything never built before (each Saturn V and Apollo was different than the last, no two identical) Redundancy (all parts/systems tested to +/- 110%-150% of failure, many systems had one or more back-ups) Man-Rated (withstand 450 degree temperature range far from home, etc.) A senior competitor said there are only 10 craft in the world rated to 4,000 meters, yet all had been Certified. One of those is indicated the only 'unlimited depth' rated craft on earth, one of the group that are reliable 7 miles down. Had serious 50-70 year old veterans of undersea Engineering, rigorous testing to failure, craft improved and Certified, a different outcome likely as you well know |
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Quoted: It’s not their wealth. It’s their arrogance that comes from their wealth. The wealthiest person in any given room will almost always feel like their options or vote should count the most. I’m the wealthiest person amongst all my family and wife’s family by a pretty large margin. I hate it, but it’s my default stance when I’m anround them. I have to remind myself at get togethers etc not to be that Dick. I grew up dirt poor, so I remember what it was like having people dismiss my ideas. That helps me fight the urge and stay humble. Let’s not even pretend like I’m anybody though. Im a big fish in an extremely tiny pond. What I’ve earned in life is not even a drop of piss in a bucket for the world these billionaires live in. It’s human psychology. Rich = the adult who knows best amongst the poor helpless children. Look no further than our government as an example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this seen the memes...chortled a bit here and there whats fucking sickening in (mainly the left) celebrating their deaths as "who cares if a billionaire dies--fuck em" disgusting as its coming from a bunch of lazy fucks that demand the "rich" pay for all their laziness and debauchery. There's been an undercurrent of class envy in this thread for a long time. It's one thing to hate people for being stupid or arrogant; it's quite another to hate them for being wealthy. There was at least one screenshot where some leftist had written an article pearl-clutching about the CEO's conservative leanings and political donations. We expect such from the left; our own side should act better. It’s not their wealth. It’s their arrogance that comes from their wealth. The wealthiest person in any given room will almost always feel like their options or vote should count the most. I’m the wealthiest person amongst all my family and wife’s family by a pretty large margin. I hate it, but it’s my default stance when I’m anround them. I have to remind myself at get togethers etc not to be that Dick. I grew up dirt poor, so I remember what it was like having people dismiss my ideas. That helps me fight the urge and stay humble. Let’s not even pretend like I’m anybody though. Im a big fish in an extremely tiny pond. What I’ve earned in life is not even a drop of piss in a bucket for the world these billionaires live in. It’s human psychology. Rich = the adult who knows best amongst the poor helpless children. Look no further than our government as an example. Nailed it. I’ve also seen people who very successful in one industry suddenly believe they are a SME in anything they take an interest in. I don’t feel bad about not having sympathy for rich Darwin Award winners. |
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Quoted: I have categorically rejected a lot of the speculation and sensationalized reporting based on a lack of details. My entire life I've been taught to ignore noise and focus on signal, and most news reporting is, well, noise. But in the absence of any actual signal, it's hard to keep ignoring the noise, so I've sorted through the noise looking for clues. At this point, I believe that the mother ship has suspected since Sunday afternoon that the sub simply imploded due to material fatigue from being worked beyond its limits. I also believe they've been tight-lipped about that, for the reasons you state. I have read thousands of posts here and dismissed them as peanut-gallery speculation (and they are, to be sure - that hasn't changed) on the assumption that surely there are more details known only to the mother ship and the rescuers. But those 'more details' simply aren't emerging now, and it's beginning to look like they never will. Because those other details apparently don't exist. I fear that I've been waiting on a 'rest of the story' that never existed. I have hoped since day one of this that, at a minimum, the mother ship had at least an idea of where the sub was, a sonar ping or something, and once the rescuers were in place they'd be able to home in on that area and find the sub in minutes, or hours. But that hasn't happened. I have hoped that the mother ship had an operating theory about what went wrong and either a highly educated guess as to where the ship was or a well-informed suspicion that it had been destroyed due to catastrophic failure. But if that's true, we haven't been told yet. I had hoped that the pictures shown with random cables sticking everywhere on the ship were prototype pictures. To some extent that hope was realized - it does look, based on the most recent evidence, like the last iteration of the design included some protection for the exterior cabling and other junk hanging off the ship. That's good. Obviously not good enough, though. Again, all of this could be speculation. They may be quietly winching the sub to the surface with five living passengers in it right now. But I'll freely admit that my hopes to that end are pretty much gone now. I have hoped all along that we'd have more reason to hope as the search went on and more details were released. But that simply hasn't happened, and as time goes on I'm more and more convinced that they aren't releasing any more details because they simply don't have anything good to release. The only details they have to release would just make their incompetence and recklessness more obvious. So they're sitting on those until the lawsuits come. (And again....the above is still peanut gallery level stuff. The people on site obviously know much more than we know. It may be that what they 'know' is simply the certainty of what the rest have been speculating all along) View Quote we really wont get details until this officially becomes a recovery not a rescue effort. press is not on the ship and those involved don't have the luxury of time for detailed press briefings. i expect details will come out but it may be months if they do. |
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Quoted: What's disgusting is the amount of resources and money wasted. Hope their estates get hit with full bill. The average US Citizen will be bankrupted by a life flight ride to their nearest ER when they get t-boned by a drunk illegal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: this seen the memes...chortled a bit here and there whats fucking sickening in (mainly the left) celebrating their deaths as "who cares if a billionaire dies--fuck em" disgusting as its coming from a bunch of lazy fucks that demand the "rich" pay for all their laziness and debauchery. What's disgusting is the amount of resources and money wasted. Hope their estates get hit with full bill. The average US Citizen will be bankrupted by a life flight ride to their nearest ER when they get t-boned by a drunk illegal. @GlockZen You NAILED IT! Attached File |
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Quoted: Oxygen cylinders come in different sizes. The small ones are used, because they are small. Like if grandpa wants one to walk around with, you give him a smaller one. Hopefully the diversity hires knew about H size cylinders, or larger. They're large enough we transport them on dollies, but can still be manipulated by 1 person. They are around 5ft long and hold 7000 liters. A couple H cylinders would make more sense than 7 smaller ones. But then again, nothing about the design of this sub seems to be done because it made sense. I'm with you on the CO2 situation, though. Getting rid of the CO2 in the area would be the big concern. Can the scrubbers work indefinitely like a houseplant, or do they get filled up and need to be dumped? If dad and son killed everybody else, would the CO2 scrubbers be able to keep up with 2 people breathing? View Quote They fill up and are done at some point US subs have blankets that absorb co2, they actually gain weight. I say this on one of the YT tours while underway doc. Same one had the O2 candles, which I thought was just nuts. As nutty as this whole contraption is, I’m surprised they didn’t put a houseplant inside the sub and advertise it as an eco friendly feature. |
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Imagine for a second
If you were super rich Even if it was "only" 1 billion dollars How safe do you think you could make a trip down to the titanic and how much would it cost? 10 million dollars it what, 1% of your total wealth? Regular people spend a larger percentage of their wealth just going to the beach every year I am continually amazed at how stupid, petty, and ignorant the wealthiest people are in our society Just insane |
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So will this go down as the largest safe thread ever or does the Malaysian flight take that?
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Quoted: My bet, based on the dive bell autopsy reports shared earlier, and significantly lower/opposite pressures, the five man crew would be essentially vaporized and burnt by the highly pressurized breathing air spontaneously combusting. The only pieces left intact would be the two titanium end pieces. View Quote The CF would likely be disintegrated and scattered, but there would definitely be identifiable human remains, at least for a brief period. There isn't much protein at that depth, so they would not last long. Bone fragments would take longer, but would also eventually be consumed. Of course, there would be very little chance of discovering either before they were gone given the area, depth, and conditions But almost everything else on board would likely survive for an extended period, albeit in various states of mangled. Some of it should also surface, like perhaps the seating pads and plastic bits, but given the size of the ocean, finding any of it would require quite a bit of luck. That said, I would not at all be surprised if folks start start claiming they found the seat pads, game controller(s), and/or anything else they can buy off amazon and soak in a bucket of salt water before trying to make a buck. |
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Quoted: I would not be surprised if a U.S.N. Sub was there with a towed array. But I doubt that would ever be made public. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if the USN has any subs in the area to help. I would not be surprised if a U.S.N. Sub was there with a towed array. But I doubt that would ever be made public. If a sub was operating in an area where so many scanning devices are being used, wouldn’t it’s presence be detected anyhow? Or are we that stealthy? |
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Salty already on it. LOL
Sub Stuck On The Bottom of The Ocean Didn't Want to Hire "Old White Guys" |
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