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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:38:44 AM EDT
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The eco-nazis don't care about actual science. All that matters to them is "science" that confirms their beliefs, even if some of those beliefs are contradictory.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:51:29 AM EDT
[#2]
Fuck ev’s
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:53:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:05:02 AM EDT
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Despite their shenanigans in Hawaii, the Japs are actually pretty cool.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:09:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite their shenanigans in Hawaii, the Japs are actually pretty cool. you mean the Germans? |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:13:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you mean the Germans? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Despite their shenanigans in Hawaii, the Japs are actually pretty cool. you mean the Germans?  |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:15:45 AM EDT
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What would the largest car manufacturer in the world know about this? We should ask le mars man Elon instead.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:40:45 AM EDT
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There's a lot of blood & exploitation to get those rare earf minerals so the self-righteous leftists-eco-nazis of the First World can go green.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 4:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you mean the Germans? "Don't mention the war!!" From the British comedy thread |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 4:35:21 AM EDT
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Toyota is correct and I'm shocked they took this direction.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 4:41:50 AM EDT
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Seeing Toyota go this route is extremely interesting. Almost as if automotive engineers and supply chain guys know a thing or two.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 4:44:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota is correct and I'm shocked they took this direction. Japan seems to be bucking the woke trend in general. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 5:04:27 AM EDT
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This is going to really fuck with the heads of the people on here who hate both science and EVs. The sarcastic “trust the science” people.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 5:36:36 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote History
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Posted: 2/3/2023 5:41:46 AM EDT
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The Yoda is correct. I do believe that with battery tech improving that the majority of cars used the way that a typical American uses them can be EV, but not all.
The part that I am struggling with is with any kind of recreational vehicles, over the road, construction and farm vehicles. It is just not practical to be an EV. There is no solution for me to pull my 7000 pound race trailer 4 hours, set up camp in a remote field for the weekend and drive back 4 hours. Even with the best battery tech available I could only go a hundred or so miles before having to recharge, then how do I recharge once I get there? |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:10:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Yoda is correct. I do believe that with battery tech improving that the majority of cars used the way that a typical American uses them can be EV, but not all. The part that I am struggling with is with any kind of recreational vehicles, over the road, construction and farm vehicles. It is just not practical to be an EV. There is no solution for me to pull my 7000 pound race trailer 4 hours, set up camp in a remote field for the weekend and drive back 4 hours. Even with the best battery tech available I could only go a hundred or so miles before having to recharge, then how do I recharge once I get there? You don't and I think that's ultimately the goal.. less human activity = less humans on earth.  “You really have to view it as a primitive, anti-human religion” – Alex Epstein on Tucker Carlson |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:10:54 AM EDT
[#17]
 Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One  Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2 |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:23:52 AM EDT
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Now all they need to do is start cranking out more V8 engines and source their transmissions from ZF.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:47:15 AM EDT
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Just like when we added ethenol to the gas. It has added drastically more carbon to the environment over staying with pure gasoline.
A lot of people are richer now however. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:59:52 AM EDT
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YOU WANT BABY POLAR BEARS TO DIE!!!
MURDERER |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:00:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like when we added ethenol to the gas. It has added drastically more carbon to the environment over staying with pure gasoline. A lot of people are richer now however. This, EV’s are a money making scam. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:04:35 AM EDT
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Good for them.
But hell, I don't need "science". All I needed was someone to offer the option to have either a traditional, time tested vehicle that can be intermittently fueled and sit dormant until it's needed, or one that runs on a battery that needs to be recharged. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I'm just not supporting the current thing. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:05:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota is correct and I'm shocked they took this direction. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:23:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Yoda is correct. I do believe that with battery tech improving that the majority of cars used the way that a typical American uses them can be EV, but not all. The part that I am struggling with is with any kind of recreational vehicles, over the road, construction and farm vehicles. It is just not practical to be an EV. There is no solution for me to pull my 7000 pound race trailer 4 hours, set up camp in a remote field for the weekend and drive back 4 hours. Even with the best battery tech available I could only go a hundred or so miles before having to recharge, then how do I recharge once I get there? You won't have to. You will own nothing |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:35:34 AM EDT
[#25]
I burn tires as an equalizer.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:38:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YOU WANT BABY POLAR BEARS TO DIE!!! MURDERER Yes. I want a car powered by murdered baby polar bears. Epic. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:44:54 AM EDT
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Toyota is great. It's too bad they don't make an HD pickup.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:48:17 AM EDT
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The science is settled, therefore all conflicting data shall henceforth be known as "disinformation". Please report any instances of disinformation to your local Division of Consolidated Truths so that violating parties may be re-educated.
Thank you for your cooperation. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota is great. It's too bad they don't make an HD pickup. It is too bad that they decided to get rid of their reliable V8. Bad decision on their part. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 7:59:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Japan seems to be bucking the woke trend in general. In time, the econauts will call for an embargo on Toyota. Just wait! |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:03:07 AM EDT
[#31]
So the scientists who is paid by the company says the company's business model is the best one?
Okay then |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:03:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like when we added ethenol to the gas. It has added drastically more carbon to the environment over staying with pure gasoline. A lot of people are richer now however. As a bonus, when leaks occur, they're more harmful because the ethanol serves as a cosolvent for products that otherwise have low solubility in water. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:13:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Japan seems to be bucking the woke trend in general. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Toyota is correct and I'm shocked they took this direction. Japan seems to be bucking the woke trend in general. I don’t think it will continue, they fired Toyoda because of this view |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:13:24 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The eco-nazis don't care about actual science. All that matters to them is "science" that confirms their beliefs, even if some of those beliefs are contradictory. Yeah. Science is "science" only when it agrees with their beliefs. Facts can be painful and invade their "safe spaces" so they prefer to go with what makes them feel good, whether it kills them or not. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:29:22 AM EDT
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Great Euronews article on lithium mining. Cliff notes: the process is incredibly toxic to the environment and endangers water sources.
Article link |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMany of these mental defects also believe in genocide and population reduction. To these nutters, this is just an added bonus. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:39:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you mean the Germans? No, the Germans are no one's friend, esp in Europe. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 8:55:58 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Yoda is correct. I do believe that with battery tech improving that the majority of cars used the way that a typical American uses them can be EV, but not all. The part that I am struggling with is with any kind of recreational vehicles, over the road, construction and farm vehicles. It is just not practical to be an EV. There is no solution for me to pull my 7000 pound race trailer 4 hours, set up camp in a remote field for the weekend and drive back 4 hours. Even with the best battery tech available I could only go a hundred or so miles before having to recharge, then how do I recharge once I get there? The solution is they don’t allow such activities / ice use in the future. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:02:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a lot of blood & exploitation to get those rare earf minerals so the self-righteous leftists-eco-nazis of the First World can go green. So true. The Eco-Leftists really don't give a crap about the global environment. They are about creating their own utopia at the expense of the rest of the world. They could care less if the third world is exploited for their benefit. Out of sight, out of mind. "Most takes place in the so-called Lithium Triangle, high-up in the Andes, where the borders of Bolivia, Argentina, and Chile meet, and in China. Lithium brine recovery is a straightforward but time-consuming process." https://www.sttsystems.com/industries/lithium-extraction/ Cobalt is a by-product and very toxic. Just the stuff China loves to exploit esp. on other people's soil. "The DRC supplies about 70 percent of the world's Cobalt, but 80% of its industrial cobalt mines are owned or financed by Chinese companies. This dynamic has disproportionately favored China and has led to hostility among the Congolese government and its domestic mining companies." https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/cobalt-ore |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:07:33 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you mean the Germans? Forget it, he’s rolling… |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:12:50 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the scientists who is paid by the company says the company's business model is the best one? Okay then Well perhaps they used the science to form their business model? And Toyota being the pioneer in EV I think they would have the best science from wich to form a business model... But maybe you are right and we should go all electric because Jo Xiden's science says so. I wonder who pays for his science? |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:18:11 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Yoda is correct. I do believe that with battery tech improving that the majority of cars used the way that a typical American uses them can be EV, but not all. The part that I am struggling with is with any kind of recreational vehicles, over the road, construction and farm vehicles. It is just not practical to be an EV. There is no solution for me to pull my 7000 pound race trailer 4 hours, set up camp in a remote field for the weekend and drive back 4 hours. Even with the best battery tech available I could only go a hundred or so miles before having to recharge, then how do I recharge once I get there? I'd rather go back to horses than EV tractors. EV Tractors will be so cost prohibitive I doubt most farmers could stay in business. I have no doubt this is the goal of many eco-nuts. The goal seems to be more about reducing food production at a time we should be finding ways to produce more food. I can see EVs in the cities but the further you get away from them the less they have a purpose. No, I don't advocate their use, period. The cities will become gigantic sink wells of Ozone pollution, a more dangerous eco problem. We are pushing a product but not even trying to build the grid network to support it. It is the typical approach of wackos. It is nothing but a patchwork of millions of bandaids. When it fails it will be stone age catastrophic. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:31:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the scientists who is paid by the company says the company's business model is the best one? Okay then Kind of like government paid for climate research at the University except the Toyota paid business analyst and sciences losses their job if they are wrong. The government scientists simply get more research grants to figure how to make freaks out of little boys. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:35:10 AM EDT
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live simply so that others may simply live.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:40:18 AM EDT
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PHEV make the most sense. I don't understand the push to dramatically change technology instead of doing the crawl, walk, run approach. Hybrids in commercial vehicles could dramatically reduce emissions when doing local deliveries and such, but when distance needs to be travelled or heavy loads moved you have the ICE engine to carry the load when the batteries wane. With large numbers of hybrids it would provide tons of data to properly engineer and design EVs if/when it is decided that is the best way to go. For a lot of people these systems make sense, and are proven technology with a solid backing of reliability. They can be scaled up. There is no reason why I can buy an EV work van, but can't buy a hybrid one. Same with pickups. Its an asinine overstep to go straight to EV when we don't have the battery technology to make it scalable for what we want to do, and we don't have the infrastructure to support mass conversion to EVs. Hybrids buy time to build out power plants and upgrade transmission and distribution infrastructure while slowly ramping up load on the grid. The 2030 or 2035 deadlines are stupid, as there isn't enough money in this country to do the necessary infrastructure upgrades to change all those vehicles, nevermind the fact we don't have the raw materials to build that many batteries. Crawl, walk, run.
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The eco-nazis don't care about actual science. All that matters to them is "science" that confirms their beliefs, even if some of those beliefs are contradictory. Quote HistoryQuoted: The eco-nazis don't care about actual science. All that matters to them is "science" that confirms their beliefs, even if some of those beliefs are contradictory. FPNI. It's ideology, and trying to push for all the things the cult wants would cause massive harm - huge re-impoverishment of the poorest in the world, as something to just scratch the surface. But Toyota is right. Hybrids and plug-in hybrids make much more sense right now. We simply do not have access to the natural resources necessary to replace all types of transportation with battery electric. Not. Even. Close. Using smaller batteries combined with ICE power to travel further is going to make a TON more sense than huge batteries with hundreds of miles of range. Currently, I'm on the waitlist for a Rav4 Prime, which will probably come up for me in June or July. I'm not sure that I'll pull the trigger, though. It depends on trade-in value and interest on financing whatever is left. I might just keep my current vehicle, install the PO (Paid Off) feature and then save to put down on a second vehicle. I might have need of a second vehicle in a year or so anyway. Quoted: Fuck ev’s Fuck ev's what? Quoted: Seeing Toyota go this route is extremely interesting. Almost as if automotive engineers and supply chain guys know a thing or two. It was a few months ago now I read an article about Toyota's Chief Engineer talking about this very thing. He mentioned his wife has a Tesla, that it is massively heavy and has a huge battery pack capable of traveling over 300 miles on a charge... but she never drives more than about 30 miles per day. A plug-in hybrid would make a lot more sense. Enough efficient and cheaper driving for short-range and local trips, but the ability to rely on a stable and widely-available infrastructure in the event that she needs to drive further, or if recharging isn't available. TBH, I'd much rather have a plug-in hybrid with enough range to do my daily driving on that can then drive further on gasoline. I had one, a Volt. It was pretty damn good for my use case and I loved it. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:44:46 AM EDT
[#47]
The Japs rarely fail in their market studies. Gotta agree with Toyota, as all-or-nothing thinking is almost always wrong
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:45:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YOU WANT BABY POLAR BEARS TO DIE!!! MURDERER They eat people so yes. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:46:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like when we added ethenol to the gas. It has added drastically more carbon to the environment over staying with pure gasoline. A lot of people are richer now however. Id burn E98 in my Camaro if I could. Ethanol is an incredible anti-knock agent, exceptionally clean burning and literally the working mans race fuel. But sure, grumbly reduced muh mpg and subsidies screaching noises. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 9:46:43 AM EDT
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I suspect Elon in the EV business because he wants the future martian market. Looks like Toyota will have the earth market.
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