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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:01:39 AM EST
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Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:02:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SOOT S-O-O-T That spells liver damage. -Dr Bao Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Yes they did find evidence and the liver damage is mentioned. Lean does serious damage to the liver. The Autopsy report is on page 1 and it didn't show anything was wrong with his liver. Please show me where it states anything was wrong with the liver. Edit for report: Autopsy report Liver clean SOOT S-O-O-T That spells liver damage. -Dr Bao Doesn't "clean" in an autopsy report simply mean that there were no amounts of the substances they tested for in the liver at the time of death? So a clean liver report would be entirely consistent with liver damage from prior drug use? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:04:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. There is still the issue of whether the prosecution hid any of this evidence and needs to be sanctioned/disbarred. The Court has not ruled on this motion yet. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:04:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and isn't drank universally made with a carbonated bev? Doesn't matter, if you like lemonade or watermelon you go with that. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:04:51 AM EST
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And I quote "focal patchy yellow discoloration, due to mild fatty metamorphosis, is present. On section ing, the hepatic parenchyma is yellow-brown, homogeneous and congested." Now go ask someone with medical training if that is normal for a 17 year old. No, it's consistent with some who takes too much alcohol or too much aspirin (Reyes syndrome). Which could result from the "lean" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Yes they did find evidence and the liver damage is mentioned. Lean does serious damage to the liver. The Autopsy report is on page 1 and it didn't show anything was wrong with his liver. Please show me where it states anything was wrong with the liver. Edit for report: Autopsy report Liver clean And I quote "focal patchy yellow discoloration, due to mild fatty metamorphosis, is present. On section ing, the hepatic parenchyma is yellow-brown, homogeneous and congested." Now go ask someone with medical training if that is normal for a 17 year old. No, it's consistent with some who takes too much alcohol or too much aspirin (Reyes syndrome). Which could result from the "lean" What it means is when his heart stopped working from the gunshot the blood was t being pumped. The fatty portion means he ate fatty foods. The finding was nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:06:19 AM EST
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he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. People on drank have the slowest reaction time, ever. They talk like they are a 33 rpm record playing on 78. They move in slooooow motion. Listen to teh music made especially for people blasted on drank....Chopped and screwed. The lyrics are slowed down for a reason. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:12:30 AM EST
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At this point, who cares? All this nonsense is just obfuscation. Martin's race, his drug use, his past, all bullshit. If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then it's murder. If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then it's self-defense. A jury didn't seem to think it was murder. Is anyone's opinion on this case really going to be swayed at this point? I believe so, my mom's boss got an education about the topic last week when he asked her what she thought. He had no idea about any of Saint Tray's past or about some of the other media shenanigans. It changed his mind pretty quick. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:20:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What it means is when his heart stopped working from the gunshot the blood was t being pumped. The fatty portion means he ate fatty foods. The finding was nothing wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Yes they did find evidence and the liver damage is mentioned. Lean does serious damage to the liver. The Autopsy report is on page 1 and it didn't show anything was wrong with his liver. Please show me where it states anything was wrong with the liver. Edit for report: Autopsy report Liver clean And I quote "focal patchy yellow discoloration, due to mild fatty metamorphosis, is present. On section ing, the hepatic parenchyma is yellow-brown, homogeneous and congested." Now go ask someone with medical training if that is normal for a 17 year old. No, it's consistent with some who takes too much alcohol or too much aspirin (Reyes syndrome). Which could result from the "lean" What it means is when his heart stopped working from the gunshot the blood was t being pumped. The fatty portion means he ate fatty foods. The finding was nothing wrong. Now you're trying too hard to make excuses in your own mind. The fatty metamorphosis is most prevalent in substance abusers (alcoholics) as well as largely obese people commonly with diabetes. Martin was not an older obese person with diabetes... He was a physically active, slim, fit, teenager. Everything else about him was in great shape except his liver. Drugs, simple as that.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:21:45 AM EST
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They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? It matters because St. Trayvon was made out to be an innocent cherubic child who just likes candy and fruit drink rather than a young thuggish man using drugs. Would most blacks care about the difference? I think not but it might change some minds. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:24:55 AM EST
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Why is there a misconception that one can use over the counter cough syrup like robitussin etc to make lean. I don't know how many memes I've seen of some Arizona and robitussin next to each other. I'm like 99% sure you can't. I was under the impression that lean was made with prescription codeine or promethazine to get "high".
How are these kids putting their hands on promethazine or codeine cough medicines? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:27:41 AM EST
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I just... but... how...
How fucking stupid do you have to be to actually do this? I am serious.. I really want to know. I always pictured the sliding scale of drug stupidity as something like this: Marijuana Ecstasy Prescription pills Cocaine Heroin Crack Sniffing Paint Bath Salts. Drinking Draino (Not a drug, per se, but eminently stupid and, coincidentally, what I wish most of the users in the list above would actually do...) So where does "drank" rank of the scale of drug stupidity? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:30:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is there a misconception that one can use over the counter cough syrup like robitussin etc to make lean. I don't know how many memes I've seen of some Arizona and robitussin next to each other. I'm like 99% sure you can't. I was under the impression that lean was made with prescription codeine or promethazine to get "high". How are these kids putting their hands on promethazine or codeine cough medicines? Instead of being "like 99% certain", like, take a moment and educate yourself. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/ |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:33:43 AM EST
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I just... but... how... How fucking stupid do you have to be to actually do this? I am serious.. I really want to know. I always pictured the sliding scale of drug stupidity as something like this: Marijuana Ecstasy Prescription pills Cocaine Heroin Crack Sniffing Paint Bath Salts. Drinking Draino (Not a drug, per se, but eminently stupid and, coincidentally, what I wish most of the users in the list above would actually do...) So where does "drank" rank of the scale of drug stupidity? Looks like people die from it. purple drank |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:35:42 AM EST
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Let me do the white thing and google a LEAN recipe. You think food.com has one? Im not sure if this is funny to anyone else but for some reason I laughed. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:36:44 AM EST
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he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. I hate this case. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:36:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I was wondering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How in the hell is OTC cough medicine and sprite mixed together going to get you high? And WTH is DXM? That's what I was wondering. DXM is the active ingredient in OTC cough syrup. It's not a narcotic; it's a dissociative hypnotic type drug. In small doses it suppresses the cough reflex, but if you take a lot of it it gives you a weird trippy experience, like you're looking through a tv screen. You can buy the pure stuff online so you wouldn't have to drink bottle of robotussin. At least you used to be able to.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:40:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just now found out about this?  People who follow the news and not just the main-stream-media have known about this all along. The security camera at the register at the convenience store where he got the tea and the Skittles clearly shows the register ticket too. Trayvon tried to buy Nyquil along with the tea and the Skittles but they had to enter a manager's code to back-off the sale from the register when Tray-Tray couldn't produce ID showing that he was over 18. Of course, this was NOT allowed into evidence.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 9:12:05 AM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:41:01 AM EST
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They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? nevermind...it's been covered |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:46:22 AM EST
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he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. Nope. HE stated he used to drink it in HIS text messages.... (or the text messages written by the 7year old who hacked into his double password protected phone) 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:50:22 AM EST
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Cant you just picture a dude in a smoking jacket, mixing up some fine lean in his shaker? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just blow through a straw?  Cant you just picture a dude in a smoking jacket, mixing up some fine lean in his shaker? what, no fez? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:51:29 AM EST
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Druggies have a hive mind, they all do and see and think the same things. Thats why the DEA has to have such military style equipment, such as MRAPs, Helos, Machine guns, and cargo pants, they are essential fighting a super being. (Albeit an intoxicated one.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just because one druggy doesn't do something doesn't mean others dont....  Druggies have a hive mind, they all do and see and think the same things. Thats why the DEA has to have such military style equipment, such as MRAPs, Helos, Machine guns, and cargo pants, they are essential fighting a super being. (Albeit an intoxicated one.) According to Bill Hicks, the enemy is perpetually stoned... and winning. Doesn't speak well for the drug warriors. 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:52:30 AM EST
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Man, that's gotta' fuck up your liver. Yep. BTW, Trayvonn's liver was fucked up at the autopsy ... |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:54:51 AM EST
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They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Chronic DXM abuse can not only damage the liver, as Tray-Tray's was, it can also induce permanent psychotic personality changes, particularly a marked increase in violence and paranoia. Tray-Tray need not have consumed "lean" recently, to be acting under it's influence. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:55:47 AM EST
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Why is there a misconception that one can use over the counter cough syrup like robitussin etc to make lean. I don't know how many memes I've seen of some Arizona and robitussin next to each other. I'm like 99% sure you can't. I was under the impression that lean was made with prescription codeine or promethazine to get "high". How are these kids putting their hands on promethazine or codeine cough medicines? its the dextromethorphan in the medicine that gives them a high. goofy kids call it dex. and they do drink it in the aluminum cans. they drink part of the juice/tea and then put the dex into it and shake it up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:56:04 AM EST
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Why is there a misconception that one can use over the counter cough syrup like robitussin etc to make lean. I don't know how many memes I've seen of some Arizona and robitussin next to each other. I'm like 99% sure you can't. I was under the impression that lean was made with prescription codeine or promethazine to get "high". How are these kids putting their hands on promethazine or codeine cough medicines? its the dextromethorphan in the medicine that gives them a high. goofy kids call it dex. and they do drink it in the aluminum cans. they drink part of the juice/tea and then put the dex into it and shake it up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:00:28 AM EST
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Nothing here says that, at least that I can find. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Autopsy showed liver damage consistent with chronic lean consumption. Nothing here says that, at least that I can find. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2 Second and third sentences of the section titled "Hepatobiliary System". |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:01:32 AM EST
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Cough syrup chasers are for pussies and 3 year olds. This. Are these guys not even tough enough to drink straight cough syrup? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:04:22 AM EST
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He gave you a link to the autopsy. There is no mention of liver damage. Yes there is. 2nd & 3rd sentence of "Hepatobiliary System" section. Those findings are remarkable for a 17 year old decedant, and would be more expected in an old junky or alcoholic. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:09:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate this case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Al of this does not matter and I dont know why folks keep focussing in on it. The crime was assalt he got what was coming. His end would have been a buillet most likely at some point in his life. he needs to be blacker therefore we want him to drink purple drank; we need him to drink purple drank. I hate this case.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:12:44 AM EST
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if you want to know about lean, ask a texan, not a LE...the "original recipe" is in sprite...sometimes with jolly ranchers...actually pretty tasty..
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:18:30 AM EST
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At this point, who cares? All this nonsense is just obfuscation. Martin's race, his drug use, his past, all bullshit. If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then it's murder. If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then it's self-defense. A jury didn't seem to think it was murder. Is anyone's opinion on this case really going to be swayed at this point? This is true. However, the liberal argument is that Martin couldn't have attacked anyone, he was a mere child getting candy. A grown ass man getting shit to make purple drank would kind of defeat their child getting candy argument. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:20:24 AM EST
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Arfcom is obsessed with Trayvon Martin. This 17 year old black kid has forced himself into the forefront of the mind of every pudgy basement dweller in America. We can't think of anything else. We need Trayvon Martin drank cups, pajamas and toothbrushes. Each product would have an inscription of another reason why we should hate him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, who cares? All this nonsense is just obfuscation. Martin's race, his drug use, his past, all bullshit. If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then it's murder. If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then it's self-defense. A jury didn't seem to think it was murder. Is anyone's opinion on this case really going to be swayed at this point? Arfcom is obsessed with Trayvon Martin. This 17 year old black kid has forced himself into the forefront of the mind of every pudgy basement dweller in America. We can't think of anything else. We need Trayvon Martin drank cups, pajamas and toothbrushes. Each product would have an inscription of another reason why we should hate him. FIFY |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:26:58 AM EST
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Man, that's gotta' fuck up your liver. Read about TM's liver. He was going to need a new one. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:19:14 PM EST
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Everyone arguing about the gross description of St. Skittles liver on p. 4 of the autopsy report is missing the microscopic description on p. 6.
The liver is listed as having "no diagnostic abnormality". That means there was no fatty change. His liver was normal. Repeat: Trayvon's liver was normal. It had no pathologic change. Pathologists diagnose fatty change microscopically, not grossly (with the naked eye). We mention it if the liver looks yellow or greasy at the time of autopsy, but the diagnosis is made microscopically. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:23:27 PM EST
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I just... but... how... How fucking stupid do you have to be to actually do this? I am serious.. I really want to know. I always pictured the sliding scale of drug stupidity as something like this: Marijuana Ecstasy Prescription pills Cocaine Heroin Crack Sniffing Paint Bath Salts. Drinking Draino (Not a drug, per se, but eminently stupid and, coincidentally, what I wish most of the users in the list above would actually do...) So where does "drank" rank of the scale of drug stupidity? So, death penalty for drug use? Don't believe in salvation? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:26:00 PM EST
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Druggies have a hive mind, they all do and see and think the same things. Thats why the DEA has to have such military style equipment, such as MRAPs, Helos, Machine guns, and cargo pants, they are essential fighting a super being. (Albeit an intoxicated one.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just because one druggy doesn't do something doesn't mean others dont.... Druggies have a hive mind, they all do and see and think the same things. Thats why the DEA has to have such military style equipment, such as MRAPs, Helos, Machine guns, and cargo pants, they are essential fighting a super being. (Albeit an intoxicated one.) Maximum trolling! Winning though. 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:27:37 PM EST
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All I've gotten from this thread is a headache and the desire to try some watermelon Arizona.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:35:00 PM EST
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Everyone arguing about the gross description of St. Skittles liver on p. 4 of the autopsy report is missing the microscopic description on p. 6. The liver is listed as having "no diagnostic abnormality". That means there was no fatty change. His liver was normal. Repeat: Trayvon's liver was normal. It had no pathologic change. Pathologists diagnose fatty change microscopically, not grossly (with the naked eye). We mention it if the liver looks yellow or greasy at the time of autopsy, but the diagnosis is made microscopically. Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:38:33 PM EST
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All I've gotten from this thread is a headache and the desire to try some watermelon Arizona. I know right. I have to wonder if there is some executive at the Arizona Beverage corp wringing his hands at all the free advertising they are getting. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:44:57 PM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:45:00 PM EST
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Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone arguing about the gross description of St. Skittles liver on p. 4 of the autopsy report is missing the microscopic description on p. 6. The liver is listed as having "no diagnostic abnormality". That means there was no fatty change. His liver was normal. Repeat: Trayvon's liver was normal. It had no pathologic change. Pathologists diagnose fatty change microscopically, not grossly (with the naked eye). We mention it if the liver looks yellow or greasy at the time of autopsy, but the diagnosis is made microscopically. Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. Occasionally taking opiates w/ or w/o proemethazine isnt going to seriously damage the liver in any appreciable way. Chronic use? Potentially, but the liver is quite a bit more resilient then some of you are giving it credit for. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:46:16 PM EST
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Top shelf cough syrup? We are talking about people who mix cognac and Coca Cola and consider that "sophisticated". |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:53:52 PM EST
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Occasionally taking opiates w/ or w/o proemethazine isnt going to seriously damage the liver in any appreciable way. Chronic use? Potentially, but the liver is quite a bit more resilient then some of you are giving it credit for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone arguing about the gross description of St. Skittles liver on p. 4 of the autopsy report is missing the microscopic description on p. 6. The liver is listed as having "no diagnostic abnormality". That means there was no fatty change. His liver was normal. Repeat: Trayvon's liver was normal. It had no pathologic change. Pathologists diagnose fatty change microscopically, not grossly (with the naked eye). We mention it if the liver looks yellow or greasy at the time of autopsy, but the diagnosis is made microscopically. Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. Occasionally taking opiates w/ or w/o proemethazine isnt going to seriously damage the liver in any appreciable way. Chronic use? Potentially, but the liver is quite a bit more resilient then some of you are giving it credit for. Thanks. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:54:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom is obsessed with Trayvon Martin. This 17 year old black kid has forced himself into the forefront of the mind of every pudgy basement dweller in America. We can't think of anything else. We need Trayvon Martin drink cups, pajamas and toothbrushes. Each product would have an inscription of another reason why we should hate him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At this point, who cares? All this nonsense is just obfuscation. Martin's race, his drug use, his past, all bullshit. If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then it's murder. If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then it's self-defense. A jury didn't seem to think it was murder. Is anyone's opinion on this case really going to be swayed at this point? Arfcom is obsessed with Trayvon Martin. This 17 year old black kid has forced himself into the forefront of the mind of every pudgy basement dweller in America. We can't think of anything else. We need Trayvon Martin drink cups, pajamas and toothbrushes. Each product would have an inscription of another reason why we should hate him. The little bit that I listen to radio everyday, I hear that motherfuckers name, usually preceded by "unarmed teen". The media is obsessed with it and his race, therefore its in the forefront of discussion. Not to mention the almost "Saint Treyvon" moniker the media has hung on him makes free thinking people here look for evidence to the contrary. Its more proof/ammunition to counter the leftist diarrhea that dribbles out of the media. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:55:44 PM EST
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Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone arguing about the gross description of St. Skittles liver on p. 4 of the autopsy report is missing the microscopic description on p. 6. The liver is listed as having "no diagnostic abnormality". <snipped> Interesting thanks. Would this also be backed up by blood samples that may reflect liver function? Presumably his young age and from what we understand only relatively recent alleged use of this drink would mean his ability process the chemicals may have resulted in his liver function being impaired yet? Or is this stuff such that damage may be detectable at an early stage? I ask because I do not know, and find the subject of pathology fascinating. Postmortem testing for most clinical parameters (such as liver function tests) is mildly to extremely unreliable. Things change postmortem, sometimes in unpredictable ways, nearly always sufficiently to make reliance on them a hazardous business. We do toxicology testing all the time, so there is a wealth of data to establish fairly solid ranges for therapeutic, toxic and lethal concentrations. Conversely, there are no solid normal ranges in dead people for most clinical lab tests. Concentrations of some things tend to rise after death, while others fall. Virtually never is that rise or fall linear. The unreliability is compounded by variables in postmortem interval, sampling site, etc. There are a few things that have utility in postmortem samples, like glucose in vitreous humor specimens, but even it is only useful for very elevated concentrations of glucose. Even the vaunted vitreous potassium so beloved of TV shows and crime novelists is, like their equally beloved gunshot residue testing, at best useless and more often harmful. End threat derailment... |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 1:56:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shut up man. You're harshing our hate. We need this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Autopsy showed liver damage consistent with chronic lean consumption. Nothing here says that, at least that I can find. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2 Shut up man. You're harshing our hate. We need this. Funny, I've heard it mentioned several times. It wasn't on CNN though. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 2:00:13 PM EST
[#48]
Okay I did not read the rest of the thread, and I don't know who started the whole thing with thinking he was making lean, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Granted, lean is a southern thing, mainly TX to be exact, but I grew up in Dayton where a lot of people liked to do it...and I never once heard it being used with Robotusin or any other over the counter shit.
It is made with promethazine(sp?), which is a prescription heavy duty cough syrup that contains codine, which is also found in vicadon. Thats what gets people fucked up. Unless shit has changed in the past 10 years, lean is not made with over the counter shit. That shit makes you feel spacey and weird after just one table spoon, who the fuck would drink a whole bottle of it? It doesn't change the facts of the case at all, and I 100% agree with the verdict, but I wouldnt recomend basing your arguments on the "lean" thing. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 2:02:49 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of being "like 99% certain", like, take a moment and educate yourself. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why is there a misconception that one can use over the counter cough syrup like robitussin etc to make lean. I don't know how many memes I've seen of some Arizona and robitussin next to each other. I'm like 99% sure you can't. I was under the impression that lean was made with prescription codeine or promethazine to get "high". How are these kids putting their hands on promethazine or codeine cough medicines? Instead of being "like 99% certain", like, take a moment and educate yourself. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/ |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 2:07:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chronic DXM abuse can not only damage the liver, as Tray-Tray's was, it can also induce permanent psychotic personality changes, particularly a marked increase in violence and paranoia. Tray-Tray need not have consumed "lean" recently, to be acting under it's influence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They didn't turn up anything in the autopsy for lean did they? Who cares then? Chronic DXM abuse can not only damage the liver, as Tray-Tray's was, it can also induce permanent psychotic personality changes, particularly a marked increase in violence and paranoia. Tray-Tray need not have consumed "lean" recently, to be acting under it's influence. |
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