Oh he's entitled to it. But by admitting that he knows jack shit and still has the opinions he has, he's said far more about himself than any direct analysis could ever say.

And Industry partners and site sponsors that sell Troy should be encouraged to stop....post haste

Will Troy leave this site because it's clear they've become extremely unpopular here?

How long has Monroe worked for Troy?

I predict no.

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The only thing I have to add:


Every used troy sold should have this done.

The only conclusion that would have kept something like this from boiling to the surface again is if it had been finished, over and handled way back when.  Had the criminals on that mountain been held accountable for their action and been imprisoned, Troy would never have had a chance to hire Dale.

Ruby Ridge will routinely resurface as there was not a proper conclusion to the events that occurred there.

All of the above.  

I expect to see TWO Pit threads coming from this thread, very soon.

You do too.  And your previous long post was absolutely dead on. For being the odd person that you are, sometimes you put my thoughts down better than I can.

I was evil and vindictive in my former life.

You're probably correct. Apparently, they hadn't logged in here for months prior to this. IP sponsorship, or whatever they were, is thousands of dollars a year. Not much to them, but enough for an advertising tax write off.

Arfcom is brutal and doesn't forget anything.

I figure they'll bail before long.

Well said TRG. Now, what is Arfcom going to do about Troy? Stand with it's members against the hiring and support of this piece of shit Monroe, and do the right thing and end it's relationship with Troy as a site sponsor? Or will Arfcom continue to support Troy Industries as a site sponsor?

Hey wait, are your trying to Riiing my be'e'ell, ring my bell , ( my bell, ring my ring my bell )?

He has to do something to quiet the applause.

Must be nice having no principles and morals

Youve been ghost - where ya been Charles?

No lock yet???

This is a train wreck

This.

Sigline's full, gentlemen.



TRG

.newletter, you even have one ?

Realistically, AR15.com probably has a contract with Troy for a specified time period. So Troy would remain a sponsor until such time as that contract came up for renewal and one party decided not to continue the relationship.

Have BCM, LaRue, or Noveske said anything publicly on the subject yet?

Say it isn't so.    Government agencies may lie?  

I am plenty old enough to have heard of Ruby Ridge but do not recall all that I am reading here....assuming that I ever heard/read it.

Again I see the point made that all a government agent has to do to justify shooting someone is used any variation of these type comments:

1)  The dog lunged at me.
2)  He made a furtive movement
3)  He threatened me
4)  He pointed a gun in the air (thus was aiming at a helicopter).

What a sad episode and damning indictment of the abuse of power.

Why a company would want to be associated with anyone involved in this event is beyond me.

I was holding out judgement until I heard something officially from Troy.  Now that they have commented, I made my decision.  No more Troy products for me.  I can't support a company who doesn't support my 2A rights.  Actions speak louder than words and by keeping Monroe on staff speaks very loudly.

I bought some stuff from Troy during last black Friday's sale and had stuff picked out for this year's.  Guess I'm looking at MI now.

CEO of Troy has spoken, would be interesting to know if site owners agree or disagree with CEO's stance and when the contract does expire which party decides to discontinue the relationship.  As of now the site seems to have become a liability to Troy.  So it is a very touchy situation for both parties I imagine.



 

I won't hold them responsible for what is already in inventory.  I hope the integrity that the owners of all those companies have displayed prevents them from future purchases.

I'd like to know also.  It'll let me know who to spend my money with.

Birds of a feather...

I completely support this plan, and being vindictive in general.

The only downside is now I have to dig in the trashcan and scrap bin.

I also think pricing should reflect the "value" the troy name now holds

Im sending off emails to the companies I deal with that carry Troy products.

I want to make sure everyone is informed.

Not so much.  But definitely this:

That is what I am waiting for now............

I thought this whole mess was about one employee who opposes the 2nd Amendment, not another.  I followed the Ruby Ridge atrocity from the time it happened, to present.  I have read Danny Coulsen's book (the guy that takes credit for starting up the HRT), and how he says the 2nd page of a fax from FBI HQ was lost and not read on their Lear Jet command bird en route to the area after the FBI was stood up to respond to the death of the US Marshall.

Any LEO who would be given the ROE they were given should have major problems with being told to shoot adults simply because they were armed.  Christopher Whitcomb, one of the newer snipers on the HRT, remembers when they received the unconstitutional ROE, feeling that something was wrong, but he looked around to the response from the other seasoned members of the HRT, and nobody said a word.  All they knew was that a US Marshall had been killed, and they were going to exact some vengeance.

I didn't know that Dale Monroe was also employed by Troy.  Here is his statement to the Congressional investigators:



I have been a Troy customer for quite some time now.  My wife and my best friend's AR15's have Troy handguards on them because of me, in addition to who knows how many customers and enthusiasts I have recommended Troy products to.  I thought this whole mess was some knee-jerk response to maybe an unintentional bad decision in hiring with one statist LEO who thinks us mere peasants shouldn't be allowed to own Troy products, but now I learn that not only is another one employed there as well, but Ron Horiuchi's freaking Sniper buddy who couldn't get a shot off fast enough when Ron blasted Vicki Weaver's head apart while she was holding her baby?

Please tell me I just woke up into the Twilight Zone, and the bad dream will end soon.  Is this for real?

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I hope BCM and LaRue make the right choice, as I'm a big fan of both companies right now

This. If they actually would SHOW what he's teaching, and perhaps if that material showed him saying somehong to the effect of "What we did was wrong and never should have happened. Here's how to manage a crisis to ensure it never happens again" I'd probably change my mind about this, or I'd at least think about it.

So are we to add ARFCOM to our boycott list now?



 

I'm a bit more of a hardass.  Only a public apology to Mr. Weaver will negate the horrible reputation dale monroe has.

Steve Troy, thank you for taking the time to post this in GD, your own forum and on FB.  It is appreciated, but my opinion still stands and is strengthened by your words.  No more Troy products for me, nor will

I don't agree with the Weavers politics.  Now that I have that out of the way:

Jacked Boot Thugs (JBTs) don't give orders, they follow evil orders.  They are the enforcers of the evil orders, without JBTs evil men do not have anyone to carry out their plans.  Evil men often don't want to get their hands dirty and JBTs are more than willing to get their hands dirty.  Dale Monroe, and his partners that day marched up that mountain to shoot any armed adult male.  Not demand they turn themselves in, not negotiate with them, but to hide in the bushes and open fire without warning or provocation.  Dale Monroe essentially testified to this fact when talking about his ROE, and the events that transpired.  Just following orders doesn't cut it, other MEN thought the ROE's were and I quote "crazy" and chose not to follow them.  Not Dale Monroe and his partners, they followed them and a mother holding her baby was killed.  He testified that the shots were legitimate, which they were clearly not to anyone with a soul, and that he would have taken the shot.  If these JBTs would have followed the same path as the others that thought the ROE's were, once again, "crazy" that lady would still be alive today.  The ladies husband wouldn't wake up every morning in an empty bed shaking off the nightmare of what happened to his family at the hands of these JBTs.  They all made a decision that fateful day, we know the consequences of their decision to willingly follow what multiple courts termed unconstitutional orders.  JBT's afterwards taunted that family over Mrs. Weavers death.

Now today, we have a respected (formerly) firearms company that has done a lot to support all our rights suddenly defend this "man."  It's a shame you have fallen for his sob story, he must be convincing to have tricked you.  In good conscious I cannot support your company when any possible portion of that will reward Dale Monroe via salary.  I realize you and your staff claimed the "different company" but it's all related.

No one from that operation should be employed by any firearms company.  It's an insult to all firearms owners.  Truly a slap in the face and entirely unacceptable, honestly it's depressing to think that JBTs are infiltrating some of our biggest partners in the protection of our rights.  They don't care about our rights, they'll march up a mountain to not only take them but peoples lives.  Then turn around and say it was a good shoot.

I truly hope you see the light, and stop falling for whatever tale Dale Monroe is spinning.  Until then I hope this weighs on your soul and you feel even a tenth of the pain the Weavers feel.  That would be more than most people could bare.

I'm not so sure.

From the OP: "Of the FBI Agents assigned to the Ruby Ridge tragedy"

I don't consider wanton violation of Constitutional rights to be a "tragedy"

It is in the same vein as those who refer to 9/11 as a 'disaster' rather than an attack.

It's PC doublespeak.

Hiring the actors involved is tacit approval of their actions.


(but yes, I absolutely agree that money > morals is most evident)

I like this.

Point taken.

I still love this gem:
" I terminated an instructor who did not support the Second Amendment as ardently as I and members of the community do."
Yet they are separate entities enough that he can't fire monroe?

I'm replacing all my Troy handgaurds with Tapco.

Well, I'm not going to hold my breath. It wouldn't happen anyways. The "training materials" Dale uses are hush-hush top secret no foreign nationals eyes only LEO only anyway, so...

Posted this to all my facebook groups:





Over the last few days, Troy Industries has really stepped on it's dick. First by hiring Jody Weis as an instructor. Secondly by hiring Dale Monroe.



You may not know these two people.



Jody, who has been fired from Troy, is the anti gun former Chicago Police Superintendent. Not a good person.



Dale was a member of the FBI's HRT team tasked with Ruby Ridge. And specifically, he was Lon Horiuchi's partner when Lon shot and killed Vicky Weaver. A Mother and Wife who was standing in a door holding her infant child.

He is quoted as stating in front of Congress during a hearing that the only reason he did not take the shot himself is because Lon had alread done so.



He is absolutely unapologetic over the killing of Vicki Weaver. He was never held accountable and has gone on to remain in law enforcement for the last 20+ years since.



Ruby Ridge was a tradgedy and a massacre perpetrated by the federal government.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge



Fast Forward to this past week, When Troy Industries was called out on their new hires, instead of thinking about what was going on, they defended Dale's actions, and Steve Troy stated, "I weighed carefully the decision whether or not to retain Dale and could find no ethical or moral reason to remove him."



That is beyond the pale.



There is currently a 20 or so page thread about this over on AR15.com, that STEVE started. He has not returned since posting his inflammatory post. And he has pretty much assured his company will be boycotted, Zumbo'd, Arock'd for all time.



http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1525190_Troy_Industries_Statement.html



Feel free to drop over there and read up on how poorly Troy is handling this very sensitive situation.



I for one, will always choose another brand over Troy for now on. I can only hope that after reading all this and the links, that you do the same.



For the members under 30 or so, if you have not heard of Ruby Ridge; It is a scary tale of how the Federal Government can come, kill your family, terrorize the living, and never be reprimanded all under the guise of legitimate law enforcement.



The law broken was an ALLEGED shotgun was 1/4 of an INCH under the legal limit. Not making it more deadly or anything crazy, but it was a tax matter. It should have been taxed as a short barrel shotgun, requiring a $200 tax stamp from the ATF.



Vicki Weaver and Samuel Weaver were killed because the government said their husband and father owed $200 dollars worth of back taxes, and that was enough for the government to send out troops in camo uniforms with M16 and nightvision.



"And although Randy many times screamed out to the officers that they had killed his wife, the officers pretended they did not know she was dead, and they mercilessly taunted the family. "Did you sleep well last night, Vicki?" and "Show us the baby, Vicki? We had pancakes," and on it went."



It is sick that any supposed 2AM company would so easily hire someone involved in this massacre then flaunt it to its customers.



Please choose Magpul, Midwest Industries, Larue, or any other before Troy.

I would expect any company associated with this outfit would be quietly reviewing their contractual obligations and reviewing alternative suppliers.

That is SOP for any business who finds themselves linked with one who endangers market reputation.

Do you think Troy is going to send you some free shit or something? You and some other posters keep giving me that vibe. Just hope they PM you for your address before someone backtracks and reports your admission to being a troll post. That got D_A ousted and he was at the least able to argue a point with some intelligence.

Same here. I inquired over in the Industry forum. Im curious.

Some of those folks are going to be in a really tight spot, especially those with private label contracts.  I've been party to them in my industry and if Troy's lawyers did their job it will be hard to sell anything else.  And that's just the potential contracting angle.  There are several other issues I could see popping up.