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That airfield in the flightradar photo was screwing with my mind.
Had to look it up, it's an RC aircraft "airport". |
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Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. View Quote As of 1 May 2021, CAPS had been activated 122 times, 101 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 207 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities had occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and two anomalous unsuccessful deployments had occurred within those parameters. Some additional accidental deployments were reported, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires.[22] As of 18 December 2018, 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments had been repaired and put back into service.[23] Post 2011, the year of their highest fatality rate to date, Cirrus has experienced an increase in CAPS deployments coinciding with a steady decrease in fatal accidents, giving them one of the best safety records in the industry and less than half the industry average. This was attributed to a new approach to training, particularly in when to deploy the parachute system.[24][25][26] |
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Looks like a SAM cut right thru it..
I wish I could find the article..it was very well written iirc Vanity Fair..a Brazilian made private jet, on its maiden flight, hit a 727 flying over the Amazon basin. Crazy odds.. |
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Quoted: As of 1 May 2021, CAPS had been activated 122 times, 101 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 207 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities had occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and two anomalous unsuccessful deployments had occurred within those parameters. Some additional accidental deployments were reported, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires.[22] As of 18 December 2018, 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments had been repaired and put back into service.[23] Post 2011, the year of their highest fatality rate to date, Cirrus has experienced an increase in CAPS deployments coinciding with a steady decrease in fatal accidents, giving them one of the best safety records in the industry and less than half the industry average. This was attributed to a new approach to training, particularly in when to deploy the parachute system.[24][25][26] View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. As of 1 May 2021, CAPS had been activated 122 times, 101 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 207 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities had occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and two anomalous unsuccessful deployments had occurred within those parameters. Some additional accidental deployments were reported, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires.[22] As of 18 December 2018, 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments had been repaired and put back into service.[23] Post 2011, the year of their highest fatality rate to date, Cirrus has experienced an increase in CAPS deployments coinciding with a steady decrease in fatal accidents, giving them one of the best safety records in the industry and less than half the industry average. This was attributed to a new approach to training, particularly in when to deploy the parachute system.[24][25][26] I am still not sold on a parachute saving your butt. Most of the times GA pilots just spin the plane into the ground in the pattern, or run into shit CFIT |
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Quoted: Back in the 90's, NASA was working to make general aviation much "smarter" and safer. But .GOV bullshit and industry apathy let it die on the vine. The AGATE system would have made this accident nearly impossible. View Quote NEARLY. Don't fool yourself, no matter what, accidents will happen. While some will argue 100% automation would prevent it, that is certainly a falsehood. Fatal Collision over Europe | Boeing 757 Collides with a Russian Tu-154 (With Real Audio) |
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Quoted: I am still not sold on a parachute saving your butt. Most of the times GA pilots just spin the plane into the ground in the pattern, or run into shit CFIT View Quote I watch a metric ton of post crash investigation vids and read about them. There have been several VFR into IFR that if the pilots had pulled the chute when they knew they were fucked, while still at altitude, they would have probably survived. Many of the chute pulls HAVE 100% saved lives that would have otherwise been lost. It is worth watching/reading the accident reports. |
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Quoted: NEARLY. Don't fool yourself, no matter what, accidents will happen. While some will argue 100% automation would prevent it, that is certainly a falsehood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJWWngRxus View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Back in the 90's, NASA was working to make general aviation much "smarter" and safer. But .GOV bullshit and industry apathy let it die on the vine. The AGATE system would have made this accident nearly impossible. NEARLY. Don't fool yourself, no matter what, accidents will happen. While some will argue 100% automation would prevent it, that is certainly a falsehood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJWWngRxus If the clown in the cirrus would have like, looked out his window he may have seen the metro liner. It reminds me of the time we were flying out of my home airport, they had some retard flying in to land and he called into the tower and gave his location. The tower then responded...he have no idea where the hell you are, because you aren't where you said you are. a little while later, the tower starts yelling... at him to maintain alt and heading and for us to maintain alt and heading. This retard passed right over us maybe be like 300 feet. So me being a jerk, I got on the comms and said bogey in sight. My CFI told me not to talk on the radio to the tower for the rest of the lesson. |
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Quoted: I watch a metric ton of post crash investigation vids and read about them. There have been several VFR into IFR that if the pilots had pulled the chute when they knew they were fucked, while still at altitude, they would have probably survived. Many of the chute pulls HAVE 100% saved lives that would have otherwise been lost. It is worth watching/reading the accident reports. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I am still not sold on a parachute saving your butt. Most of the times GA pilots just spin the plane into the ground in the pattern, or run into shit CFIT I watch a metric ton of post crash investigation vids and read about them. There have been several VFR into IFR that if the pilots had pulled the chute when they knew they were fucked, while still at altitude, they would have probably survived. Many of the chute pulls HAVE 100% saved lives that would have otherwise been lost. It is worth watching/reading the accident reports. Your second sentence is what I was touching on, a lot of the videos I watched from Av web all show the pilot waits too long to pull the chute when it's fatal. And of those that safely landed with the chute, how many would still have been ok just landing the plane in the corn? |
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It's amazing that a reporter is so clueless that they can't tell the difference between a jet and a turboprop.
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Quoted: You'd have thought ADS-B would have decreased the number of small aircraft that try to fly right into each other or at airliners but no. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: shouldn't the cirrus have ADS-B? You'd have thought ADS-B would have decreased the number of small aircraft that try to fly right into each other or at airliners but no. Really? damn GA pilots are worst than I thought. I remember when the dude almost hit us, when he miced up to talk to the tower you could hear his TCAS yelling at him I was like, bro...maybe you should at least look at your fucking GPS or Ipad and take a peak at the DTA number I don't know, for me working and planning the mapping and knowing where you are is the easy part when flying. I have been doing it since I was a little kid in the GOM where all you can see is water and the sun. Using LORAN-C, paper charts, and then finally decent electronic chart plotters it all becomes second nature. |
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Quoted: The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. Sometimes things dont work when you are out of their operating envelope. The other problem is pilots using them as a get out of trouble free card rather than using/ having common airmanship skills to prevent them from getting into that position. |
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Quoted: Really? damn GA pilots are worst than I thought. I remember when the dude almost hit us, when he miced up to talk to the tower you could hear his TCAS yelling at him I was like, bro...maybe you should at least look at your fucking GPS or Ipad and take a peak at the DTA number I don't know, for me working and planning the mapping and knowing where you are is the easy part when flying. I have been doing it since I was a little kid in the GOM where all you can see is water and the sun. Using LORAN-C, paper charts, and then finally decent electronic chart plotters it all becomes second nature. View Quote Still seeing 1200 codes "kiss" then split up, still seeing people fly up OPD Stars at bad altitudes , maneuvering just under bravo shelves then suddenly turning/diving for cover when something big gets too close. |
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Quoted: The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. From what I understand, failed deployments have to do with plane position. The chutes dont work in all positions, so there is a little luck of the draw. Even then, they are good to have! |
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Quoted: As of 1 May 2021, CAPS had been activated 122 times, 101 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 207 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities had occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and two anomalous unsuccessful deployments had occurred within those parameters. Some additional accidental deployments were reported, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires.[22] As of 18 December 2018, 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments had been repaired and put back into service.[23] Post 2011, the year of their highest fatality rate to date, Cirrus has experienced an increase in CAPS deployments coinciding with a steady decrease in fatal accidents, giving them one of the best safety records in the industry and less than half the industry average. This was attributed to a new approach to training, particularly in when to deploy the parachute system.[24][25][26] View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. As of 1 May 2021, CAPS had been activated 122 times, 101 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 207 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities had occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and two anomalous unsuccessful deployments had occurred within those parameters. Some additional accidental deployments were reported, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires.[22] As of 18 December 2018, 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments had been repaired and put back into service.[23] Post 2011, the year of their highest fatality rate to date, Cirrus has experienced an increase in CAPS deployments coinciding with a steady decrease in fatal accidents, giving them one of the best safety records in the industry and less than half the industry average. This was attributed to a new approach to training, particularly in when to deploy the parachute system.[24][25][26] My favorite was the guy that saw that the chute was going to set him down on a big pile of junk, or something, so he fire up the engine and motored himself clear of it. |
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When I saw state park at first I thought it was two small planes site seeing.
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I knew the ol’ Metro was tough, but today we found out just how tough they really are! Many many of my friends flew the “death tube”, and all of them said she was a handful but a really tough airplane... they were all correct in their assessment!
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Quoted: If the clown in the cirrus would have like, looked out his window he may have seen the metro liner. It reminds me of the time we were flying out of my home airport, they had some retard flying in to land and he called into the tower and gave his location. The tower then responded...he have no idea where the hell you are, because you aren't where you said you are. a little while later, the tower starts yelling... at him to maintain alt and heading and for us to maintain alt and heading. This retard passed right over us maybe be like 300 feet. So me being a jerk, I got on the comms and said bogey in sight. My CFI told me not to talk on the radio to the tower for the rest of the lesson. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Back in the 90's, NASA was working to make general aviation much "smarter" and safer. But .GOV bullshit and industry apathy let it die on the vine. The AGATE system would have made this accident nearly impossible. NEARLY. Don't fool yourself, no matter what, accidents will happen. While some will argue 100% automation would prevent it, that is certainly a falsehood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJWWngRxus If the clown in the cirrus would have like, looked out his window he may have seen the metro liner. It reminds me of the time we were flying out of my home airport, they had some retard flying in to land and he called into the tower and gave his location. The tower then responded...he have no idea where the hell you are, because you aren't where you said you are. a little while later, the tower starts yelling... at him to maintain alt and heading and for us to maintain alt and heading. This retard passed right over us maybe be like 300 feet. So me being a jerk, I got on the comms and said bogey in sight. My CFI told me not to talk on the radio to the tower for the rest of the lesson. I would think the cirrus would have been the slower of the two, and therefore, hit from behind. |
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Quoted: shouldn't the cirrus have ADS-B? View Quote Again, they were on parallel approaches. ETA: Like this. ADS-B and TCAS say "A PLANE! A PLANE!" Yeah, no shit. Spectacular parallel landing San Francisco |
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Quoted: Again, they were on parallel approaches. View Quote From the look of the tracks, the SR22 was in a right bank, even until impact, so left wing high and I would guess there could be a chance that due to the bank, he couldn't see the Metroliner. ETA: I would love to hear the ATC for who was cleared to land and what the sequencing was supposed to be. |
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Quoted: From the look of the tracks, the SR22 was in a right bank, even until impact, so left wing high and I would guess there could be a chance that due to the bank, he couldn't see the Metroliner. ETA: I would love to hear the ATC for who was cleared to land and what the sequencing was supposed to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Again, they were on parallel approaches. From the look of the tracks, the SR22 was in a right bank, even until impact, so left wing high and I would guess there could be a chance that due to the bank, he couldn't see the Metroliner. ETA: I would love to hear the ATC for who was cleared to land and what the sequencing was supposed to be. The metroliner would have been faster, would it not? ETA:Obviously, it could have been flying slower than the cirrus, but it seems more likely that it was faster, and from the damage, was under the cirrus. If so, he would have been the one to see the cirrus. The cirrus could not have seen him. |
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Quoted: Sometimes things dont work when you are out of their operating envelope. The other problem is pilots using them as a get out of trouble free card rather than using/ having common airmanship skills to prevent them from getting into that position. View Quote You could say the same thing about: auto pilots, MFD’s with moving maps, GPS navigation, etc. New technologies come whether you approve or not. Use it, don’t use it, whatever, you do you. I don’t find it a problem to have more options for any endeavor, especially those with a high price for failure. |
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Quoted: The metroliner would have been faster, would it not? View Quote Absolutely, which makes the turning SR22 even less likely to have seen a green plane on a hot, shallow approach, while the extended final was obscured with his wing / underbelly. I am not assigning blame at this point, just pointing out a likely factor why he might not have seen it. |
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