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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Got to listen to tower chew one out just the other day for being a dipshit. Very satisfying. The guys at Centennial don't take any shit. They are not shy about ripping someone to shreds. 
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:34:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the Key Lime plane have passengers onboard? Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the Key Lime plane have passengers onboard? The crash was reported around 10:25 a.m. Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy John Bartmann said the crash involved a single-engine Cirrus SR-22 carrying two people and a cargo metroliner jet carrying just the pilot. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots  Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: shouldn't the cirrus have ADS-B? The only mandate is for ADS-B Out. You need the insy element and a display to see other aircraft. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. At least a few years ago, Key Lime had a bit of a....reputation. I think they did pay-for-training as well. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:41:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least a few years ago, Key Lime had a bit of a....reputation. I think they did pay-for-training as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. At least a few years ago, Key Lime had a bit of a....reputation. I think they did pay-for-training as well. Ah, the Swift of air travel. Perfect. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys at Centennial don't take any shit. They are not shy about ripping someone to shreds. They can't, they don't have time. I've sat under the approach and listened to them grind it out. It's a beast |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. ADS-B OUT is mandated and required when operating in Class A/B/C airspace, but ADS-B IN (which can give traffic) is optional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: shouldn't the cirrus have ADS-B? Being in a Cirrus...I would sort of expect that Dentist to have ADS-B in |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:43:13 PM EDT
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Wow, I am SHOCKED that everyone came out of that alive/uninjured.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:43:36 PM EDT
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Key Lime Metro vs. a Cirrus. The two deadliest things in the sky meeting at precisely the same place and time. Pure dumb luck that nobody got killed. Sometimes aviation is like that. Fate is the hunter.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:54:48 PM EDT
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If you're going to do it, that looks like the best spot to put a Cirrus on that Metroliner. Someone's packages are going to be missing/delayed.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: man, how does this even happen? Two planes attempted to occupy the same space at the same time. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:05:42 PM EDT
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Cirrus overflew its turn to final and encroached upon the flight path of the Metroliner, which was heading straight in on a long final to a parallel runway. Metroliner was flying cargo. Chute deployed. ADS-B either made no difference or would have made no difference. It happened so quickly by the time you saw the conflict, it would have been over. If both planes had TCAS and it gave both an RA, there might have been time, but it would have been close.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:08:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They arrived at the same point at the same time?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: man, how does this even happen? They arrived at the same point at the same time? An inadvertent unscheduled air-to-air interface. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *looks back.. Sees 3/4ths of the fuselage gone....* GULP**** * slowly closes cabin door and continues flying while sitting on a damaged seat* Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: don't know what i would do shit and go blind or go blind and then shit that's some scary shit *looks back.. Sees 3/4ths of the fuselage gone....* GULP**** * slowly closes cabin door and continues flying while sitting on a damaged seat* What was that! It was something...*looksJust fly. Don't look!...just...fly. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:11:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History Impressive that plane landed. Nice engineering work there. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many of those have been used in real inflight emergencies? Would love to see what that plane looked like (as in if it would have been a for sure fatal had the chute not been deployed). Wow on both counts. One plane loses 3/4s of the rear of the airframe and stays intact, the other one just so happens to have an emergency chute. Everybody involved needs new underwear and lottery tickets. The wikipedia page says there have been 122 parachute deployments, 101 were successful, and of all the people on the Cirrus planes, one fatality when CAPS was deployed. Kind of impressive except for that part about 21 possibly failed deployments. Don’t pull the lever below 1000 agl. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:17:14 PM EDT
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This is like when that oversized load took out the bridge on I-5 with cars on it with cars and people landing in the river down below with zero fatalities. You just look at the carnage, and go, how the fuck does that happen? Buy some fucking lotto tickets.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:30:29 PM EDT
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Need to hear the tapes but sounds like the Key Lime plane was cleared visual 14L and the Cirrus 14R, Cirrus Overshot the centerline and clipped the Key Lime. Even with TCAS two non precision parallel approaches was a recipe for disaster, was the Cirrus also given a traffic advisory as a reminder? Sweringer probably has TCAS (not TCAS ii if anyone knows) and who knows what the fuck Cirrus boy was paying attention to.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:38:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew the ol’ Metro was tough, but today we found out just how tough they really are! Many many of my friends flew the “death tube”, and all of them said she was a handful but a really tough airplane... they were all correct in their assessment! As a former Merlin pilot I totally agree! Those are planes I always had total confidence in, and they really did seem very tough. They were a handful for a new pilot, but once you figured out how it wants to be flown it became a true pilots airplane. This is more proof of its toughness than can almost be believed, but DAMN that thing is tough! |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So me being a jerk, I got on the comms and said bogey in sight. My CFI told me not to talk on the radio to the tower for the rest of the lesson.  
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ed Swearingen is actually a cool guy to talk to. I use to do repairs at his house back in the late 70's. He is one of the engineers responsible for the Cobra attack helicopter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have always hated those Swearingens. I believe my opinion is changing... Ed Swearingen is actually a cool guy to talk to. I use to do repairs at his house back in the late 70's. He is one of the engineers responsible for the Cobra attack helicopter. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:31:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a SAM cut right thru it.. I wish I could find the article..it was very well written iirc Vanity Fair..a Brazilian made private jet, on its maiden flight, hit a 727 flying over the Amazon basin. Crazy odds.. Vanity Fair mid air crash Here ya go. (Behind a paywall, at some point.) |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:42:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:42:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. lol! |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THIS! I bet they will never get the seats cleaned in either of those aircraft again... Doesn't matter, both are write offs anyway. Well, maybe parts, but can you really get the stench out? |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:45:43 PM EDT
[#31]
 Midair collision. All occupants survived | Swearingen (N280KL) and Cirrus SR22 (N416DJ) | Denver |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:46:43 PM EDT
[#32]
 MIDAIR COLLISION ON FINAL APPROACH at Denver - Centennial |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:49:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:53:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could say the same thing about: auto pilots, MFD’s with moving maps, GPS navigation, etc. New technologies come whether you approve or not. Use it, don’t use it, whatever, you do you. I don’t find it a problem to have more options for any endeavor, especially those with a high price for failure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sometimes things dont work when you are out of their operating envelope. The other problem is pilots using them as a get out of trouble free card rather than using/ having common airmanship skills to prevent them from getting into that position. You could say the same thing about: auto pilots, MFD’s with moving maps, GPS navigation, etc. New technologies come whether you approve or not. Use it, don’t use it, whatever, you do you. I don’t find it a problem to have more options for any endeavor, especially those with a high price for failure. You are correct. The problem comes when they get reliant on the doodads and not aware of their surroundings outside. It happens a lot. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:57:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fucking Cirrus Pilots Not his fault, he was probably in a spin and the Swearingen got in his way. lol!
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Posted: 5/12/2021 7:58:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:03:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:07:33 PM EDT
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I live just a couple of miles from there. Surprised I didn't hear a shit ton of sirens.
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:08:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryYep... That parachute saved some lives. Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. The pilot of the swearingen had no clue he was hit, and he taxied to the parking ramp! I would be surprised if that cirrus was even in the right flight profile for the chute deployment. But it worked! A whole lot of luck for everyone involved. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:22:35 PM EDT
[#42]
 WATCH: Plane uses parachute to land after midair collision |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport.  |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're going to do it, that looks like the best spot to put a Cirrus on that Metroliner. Someone's packages are going to be missing/delayed. I doubt it was carrying much of anything, APA is the maintenance base, most of the cargo (they were a UPS feeder when I was there) goes out of DEN. That pilot was ice cold on the radio. A real motherf$&@ing g... |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:35:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png He overshot the centerline for 17R and ended up in the approach for 17L. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He overshot the centerline for 17R and ended up in the approach for 17L. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png He overshot the centerline for 17R and ended up in the approach for 17L. That's what it looks like to me also.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:39:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png eta: I'm a slow typist... |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png Parallel runways. He overshot his approach right hand runway and flew into the Swearingen that was established on the left runway. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 8:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like he overshot his runway and hit the swearingen. I'm not sure what you mean by "overshot his runway". It appears he made an entry into the downwind for a RH pattern, made his base turn, then collided on his turn to final. Everything appears pretty normal, I'm assuming he was in contact with the tower as this seems to be a controlled airport. https://i.postimg.cc/y6LQ3Zt5/Screen-Shot-2021-05-12-at-6-25-09-PM.png there are 2 runways, 17L and 17R, the Cirrus overshot the 17R path into the 17L path |
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