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Posted: 11/24/2012 7:55:57 PM EST
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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:12:05 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone pointed out yet that there is no "k" in fracing????  And by the way, frac on!!! I did on page 4. No idea how the idiots added a K to the term Hydraulic Fracturing Only functional retards with no background in chemistry, physics, geology, hydrology and drilling spell it with the K because they watch too much BSG. If you want to be all high and mighty about it then put the fucking apostrophe in there since it's a contraction. That's what I prefer, but it seems most people don't, so I just go with the more phonetically appropriate use of the K. Get over yourself.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:19:06 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone pointed out yet that there is no "k" in fracing???? And by the way, frac on!!! I did on page 4. No idea how the idiots added a K to the term Hydraulic Fracturing Only functional retards with no background in chemistry, physics, geology, hydrology and drilling spell it with the K because they watch too much BSG. If you want to be all high and mighty about it then put the fucking apostrophe in there since it's a contraction. That's what I prefer, but it seems most people don't, so I just go with the more phonetically appropriate use of the K. Get over yourself. Oh, look! A functional retard. |
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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:27:57 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone pointed out yet that there is no "k" in fracing???? And by the way, frac on!!! I did on page 4. No idea how the idiots added a K to the term Hydraulic Fracturing Only functional retards with no background in chemistry, physics, geology, hydrology and drilling spell it with the K because they watch too much BSG. If you want to be all high and mighty about it then put the fucking apostrophe in there since it's a contraction. That's what I prefer, but it seems most people don't, so I just go with the more phonetically appropriate use of the K. Get over yourself. Oh, look! A functional retard.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:42:01 PM EST
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I have worked all over Texas/New Mexico installing GPS monitors in fleets of trucks for the oil service industry. We would stay in a town for a day or two and move on to the next. Most of the small towns now have impotable well water. Talking to the local people, they say it became contaminated after they started fraking. The water smells like it has ammonia or something in it, i wouldn't even wash my hands with that shit. "Most"? How many? Where? When did this start happening? Has anyone actually measured the change in the concentration of contaminants in their water over time? Do these people regularly test their water? Is it ammonia, or is it "something"? Do you have any actual data, or do you just have anecdotes and confirmation bias? |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 2:23:23 AM EST
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The best way to shut an anti-frac mouth is to offer it some cash. It's like magic.
They are another group of people where I have never met one in real life that was normal, let alone sane. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:35:55 AM EST
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And the Obama Admin will stop it or regulate it into the ground... Exactly. Anything that could cause prosperity will be destroyed. When your main voting group is the FSA you need more poor desperate people who need government to survive. You must end cheap energy to keep the maximum number of people in poverty. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:37:29 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life. 
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. We knew the gullible idiots would be along quickly..... |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:39:59 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. We knew the gullible idiots would be along quickly..... Nevermind, might have been a coc. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:41:52 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Proof? Wait a minute. They have a viable fusion reactor? Links please. I need one for my house and my master plan to rule this world. Chop chop, I have a timetable to meet.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:02:20 AM EST
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I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. Actually, I will. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:24:33 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 5:31:01 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. You mean Utube vids of flamming water coming out of faucets aren't proof? Gee, I am disappoint.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:42:30 AM EST
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***SNIP––SNIP*** Perhaps you need to look into what exactly proof is. Even the researches do not agree with your claim of proof. In an interview, Jackson said that gas was more likely to migrate underground than liquid chemicals. Based on his findings, he doesn’t believe the toxic chemicals pumped into the ground during fracturing are likely to end up in water supplies the same way the methane did. “I’m not ready to use the word impossible,” he said, “but unlikely.” In a white paper the group issued along with the journal article, Jackson and the others acknowledged the uncertainty and called for more research. “Contamination is often stated to be impossible due to the distance between the well and the drinking water,” they wrote. “Although this seems reasonable in most (and possibly all) cases, field and modeling studies should be undertaken to confirm this assumption. ... Understanding any cases where this assumption is incorrect will be important—when, where, and why they occur—to limit problems with hydraulic fracturing operations.” I think since the school in Buffalo shut down it's fracking research department (I know it is called something different and I don't care so don't bother correcting me) as nothing but a propaganda wing for the frackers all research that is pro fracking should come into question. I agree. Lets ban research departments. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:56:12 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. You mean Utube vids of flamming water coming out of faucets aren't proof? Gee, I am disappoint. My well water has natural gas in it, naturally! No fracing near me either. Not enough to be flammable unless you collect it. If I had flammable water, I'd come up with a way to collect the gas and heat my house and water with, sell the extra, instead of bitching. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:04:20 AM EST
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Then it appears that there are two of you that have no idea what he is talking about. There is no valve to leave open between the hydrocarbon producing formations where fracking takes place and groundwater aquifers. None. Nor are there leaks, seals to change or neglect, or corners to cut that would cross contaminate these formations seperated by thousands of feet of rock, steel, and concrete. The boreholes passing through the groundwater formations have pipe cemented in place all the way to the bottom of the well....inside of pipe cemented in place for thousands of feet above and below them....inside of pipe cemented in place for hundreds of feet above and below them. Anything spilled on the surface has to be reported to the EPA and remediated to EPA standards. This is a rare occurance and the chances of a surface spill being of sufficent size to penetrate hundreds or thousands of feet down to the groundwater are nearly zero. I work in the industry and I have had a belly full of willfully ignorant useful idiots spouting bullshit about groundwater being polluted by fracking operations. There has not been ONE instance with definative proof of this occuring out of tens of thousands of wells drilled and completed using fracking technology. You can bullshit the fans....but you can't bullshit the fucking players. Thank you. I was coming here to post this same basic thing. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:06:21 AM EST
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Fracking is the pumping of unknown chemicals and water into the ground. The chemicals are not being released to the public as the companies are saying it's information they don't want to release.  Our water comes from the ground from underground reservoirs and rivers. This shit is polluting it. Should be illegal. Find another way to do it safely. Why can't they just use seawater? Why the chemicals and freshwater? http://www.salon.com/2012/07/09/confirmed_fracking_can_pollute/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/09/epa-reports-fracking-groundwater-pollution http://www.nrdc.org/energy/fracking-wastewater.asp What a load of absolute bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:28:32 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. You mean Utube vids of flamming water coming out of faucets aren't proof? Gee, I am disappoint. My well water has natural gas in it, naturally! No fracing near me either. Not enough to be flammable unless you collect it. If I had flammable water, I'd come up with a way to collect the gas and heat my house and water with, sell the extra, instead of bitching. Yeah I know, in areas that have water with methane or natural gas in it don't they usually have some way of siphoning it off so there is little possiblity of it causing damage? |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:43:56 AM EST
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***SNIP––SNIP*** Perhaps you need to look into what exactly proof is. Even the researches do not agree with your claim of proof. In an interview, Jackson said that gas was more likely to migrate underground than liquid chemicals. Based on his findings, he doesn’t believe the toxic chemicals pumped into the ground during fracturing are likely to end up in water supplies the same way the methane did. “I’m not ready to use the word impossible,” he said, “but unlikely.” In a white paper the group issued along with the journal article, Jackson and the others acknowledged the uncertainty and called for more research. “Contamination is often stated to be impossible due to the distance between the well and the drinking water,” they wrote. “Although this seems reasonable in most (and possibly all) cases, field and modeling studies should be undertaken to confirm this assumption. ... Understanding any cases where this assumption is incorrect will be important—when, where, and why they occur—to limit problems with hydraulic fracturing operations.” I think since the school in Buffalo shut down it's fracking research department (I know it is called something different and I don't care so don't bother correcting me) as nothing but a propaganda wing for the frackers all research that is pro fracking should come into question. I agree. Lets ban research departments. Yes yes very intelligent don't bother reading the story I posted and just make a snide comment. No "research department" was "banned" the school got rid of a department because, and this is from the story "after an internal assessment that determined that it lacked “sufficient” faculty presence, that it was not consistent enough in disclosing its financial interests and that the credibility of its research was compromised because of questions over its financing." In case you cannot scroll up or go to another page.... |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:51:02 AM EST
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and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted:
I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:58:08 AM EST
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and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted:
I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:03:51 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. You mean Utube vids of flamming water coming out of faucets aren't proof? Gee, I am disappoint. Santa Claus isn't real either. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:05:49 AM EST
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and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted:
I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:09:10 AM EST
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and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted:
I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:10:00 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Provide a link to a peer reviewed study. I'll be waiting. +1 Given the depth of potable water vs the depth oil producing formations. You mean Utube vids of flamming water coming out of faucets aren't proof? Gee, I am disappoint. Santa Claus isn't real either. Nonsense. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:37:23 AM EST
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I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. The guys with all the money are betting it will produce. Shell is building a multi billion dollar ethane cracker not far away in PA. And there's all kinds of processing plant type construction everywhere. http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/11/20/more-ethane-crackers-may-pop-up-in-ohio-west-virginia-and-pennsylvania/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:39:50 AM EST
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and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted:
I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. The guys with all the money are betting it will produce. Shell is building a multi billion dollar ethane cracker not far away in PA. And there's all kinds of processing plant type construction everywhere. http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/11/20/more-ethane-crackers-may-pop-up-in-ohio-west-virginia-and-pennsylvania/ Exactly, where are the "roadblocks??. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:36:58 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life. Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Please tell us precisely how fracing pollutes the ground water. This ought to be good. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have worked all over Texas/New Mexico installing GPS monitors in fleets of trucks for the oil service industry. We would stay in a town for a day or two and move on to the next. Most of the small towns now have impotable well water. Talking to the local people, they say it became contaminated after they started fraking. The water smells like it has ammonia or something in it, i wouldn't even wash my hands with that shit. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:54:49 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: and Who is going to get all this wealth ?? Arfcom ?? LOL Quoted: I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. There are multiple segments to the Keystone Pipeline. Obummer has blocked one segment...while 'allowing' the rest. Now you're apparently gonna champion the concept that just because Obummer only stopped the construction of a 300 mile long segment in the middle of the fucking pipeline project...that he is still promoting the pipeline's construction?  |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:12:03 AM EST
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I've been trying to tell people this shit for years, but they would rather doom and gloom their way into the next apocalypse. We are on the verge of the greatest wealth this country has ever known, especially as oil reserves in the middle east and russia natural gas reserves dwindle. I live in eastern Ohio where much of this is going on. I have received a nice chunk already. I have a LOT more coming when they get those pipes installed. Hopefully, we are talking like fuck you I'm not going to work anymore type money. I doubt it, this administration is dead set on putting roadblocks at every turn. Really?? I keep seeing in this thread where the EPA, obama's current EPA has given the greenlight to fracking in that they said it would not damage water. obama also approved the pipeline (keystone??) I know not natural gas but still a controversial energy project so show me where he is standing in the way of energy production to the benefit of regulation. Link to 0bama approving Keystone, please. 
Please also give me a link to the EAP greenlighting frac'ing, and 0bama approving leases.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:36:58 AM EST
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i live in fracking central -southwest pa. the real problem with fracking is what is done with the brine after the well has been fracked. a lot of that shit is ending up in the monongahela river the river that supplies all of south west pa with water SWPA here too. That's about the only real thing I've heard about as well. They ordered the companies to dispose of the brine water differently and now the bromide levels have come down... Frack on and get my gas prices lower while pumping some more much needed cash into our local economy 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:40:44 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The worst thing I see about fracking is they use up the local water supply. Here we are in the 3rd year of the worst drought in 50 years and folks are selling their water to the oil companies. That and farmers are irrigating their fuel source corn crops like there is no tomorrow. Once used it is never recovered. I like cheap energy and a robust economy but we cannot survive without water. No. Fracking is a few hour job that doesn't take huge volumes of water. It is high pressure but not a lot of flow into the formation. Now actually drilling the hole takes a lot of water but even that is usually only a month or two. They also use water to pump down the well (in places, usually old fields) and dilute the oil to get it to the surface, but that is recovery, not fracking. As Pssutton says, fracking takes place way down hole and is completely isolated from the surface. If the fracking chemicals could get into groundwater, it would have to mean the casing is holed and the gas or oil would leak into the groundwater as well, which obviously cannot be allowed to happen besides which it's to valuable to allow to escape. please somebody get this guy a beer. Like I said, bad timing for draining our ponds and small lakes for energy recovery. A million gallons is more than I remember, perhaps the techniques have morphed. That's about 200 90-barrel trucks and seems like quite a bit. That much water goes by the canal next to my house every 6 seconds. |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:46:37 AM EST
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Sure there's oil in them thar hills. Fracking also pollutes the local water supply. No water, no life.
Want a game changer? Univ of Milan demonstrated fusion but the US refused the patent. Please tell us precisely how fracing pollutes the ground water. This ought to be good. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have worked all over Texas/New Mexico installing GPS monitors in fleets of trucks for the oil service industry. We would stay in a town for a day or two and move on to the next. Most of the small towns now have impotable well water. Talking to the local people, they say it became contaminated after they started fraking. The water smells like it has ammonia or something in it, i wouldn't even wash my hands with that shit. I say you are full of it. |
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