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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:38:49 AM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:39:28 AM EST
[#1]
Good luck to them.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:40:26 AM EST
[#2]
Do you want $150k base model F150?
Because this is how you get that. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:40:51 AM EST
[#3]
May the odds be ever in your favor
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:41:00 AM EST
[#4]
Worked for UPS. I'm sure it will work for UAW as well.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:41:06 AM EST
[#5]
They've earned it!
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:42:52 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They've earned it! Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:43:48 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that. Say hello to 20 year car loans! |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:44:46 AM EST
[#8]
Biden approves
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:45:05 AM EST
[#9]
Well. The gov is all but mandating EV’s regardless of their viability and China intends to flood the market with cheap ones.
yeah |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:45:11 AM EST
[#10]
Outsource their labor. Gonna happen.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:45:20 AM EST
[#11]
This is how you get your auto makers to pack up and move to Mexico.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:45:20 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? That’s already a thing. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:45:37 AM EST
[#13]
If they automakers were smart (LOL) they would happily trade 40% for better ability to fire terrible employees.
But they aren't, so the big three are likely to go the way of Sears. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:46:48 AM EST
[#14]
That will surely be good for long term job security and domestic auto production
Are they represented by 5 year olds? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:47:48 AM EST
[#15]
Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years.
Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:50:33 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s already a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? That’s already a thing. I had no idea. I have a 2022 GMC with a 60 month GM Financial plan. When it’s paid off I’ll dump it and get a new one. Amazed people would lock themselves into a 10 year term. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:50:57 AM EST
[#17]
Do they still get to smoke dope on their breaks. Asking for a friend.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:52:36 AM EST
[#18]
$32/hr to $38/hr immediately, 5%/year per year over the next four.
$32 is $67k a year. $38 is $79k. Automation is the biggest threat to the UAW anyway. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:52:37 AM EST
[#19]
The end result of bideneconomics.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:54:19 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. What’s the pension and benefits worth? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:55:41 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. It might not even keep up with inflation. GD is full of hysterical crybabies these days. Learned Helplessness. Buncha Crabs, just pulling each other down. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:55:44 AM EST
[#22]
Bidenomics!
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:57:35 AM EST
[#23]
the industry needs more robotics.
UAW are a bunch of commies anyways. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 10:59:35 AM EST
[#24]
Doesnt seem unreasonable
Union gets most of that back in dues anyway |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:01:02 AM EST
[#25]
UAW asking for a 40% raise to still have workers make a shit wage just proves how worthless the UAW is.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:02:33 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the pension and benefits worth? This is the right question to ask. Legacy costs are what kills the domestic automakers money wise. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:02:52 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. In 1986 they made $16 an hour. Adjusted for inflation they should be making $44 and hour. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:05:44 AM EST
[#28]
Vehicles made in Japan are made better...
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:07:14 AM EST
[#29]
They should consult Yellow Freight first.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:08:10 AM EST
[#30]
Bidenomics!
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:09:28 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Vehicles made in Japan are made better... Some are, some are not. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:10:32 AM EST
[#32]
A good percentage of that will wind up in the Democrat coffers.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:11:13 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. But CFA makes money. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:11:14 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that. Exactly what Obama-Soros-Biden is looking for... Millions of cheaper Chicom EVs sitting around waiting to be shipped to the USA... A million Li Po firebombs waiting to be taken into American garages and underground parking |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:11:17 AM EST
[#35]
To the mooooooon.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:12:49 AM EST
[#36]
I'd guess that is the Unions initial "Ask" at the start of negotiations, and I wouldn't be surprised if the companies "Ask" is at or near 0% along with increases in shared costs on health care and other things...
These are typical "starting points". Always ask high and be willing to settle for less, because getting above your initial ask rarely happens unless you lowballed yourself right outta the gate... They will negotitate together and eventually meet somewhere in the middle... |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:13:04 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had no idea. I have a 2022 GMC with a 60 month GM Financial plan. When it’s paid off I’ll dump it and get a new one. Amazed people would lock themselves into a 10 year term. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? That’s already a thing. I had no idea. I have a 2022 GMC with a 60 month GM Financial plan. When it’s paid off I’ll dump it and get a new one. Amazed people would lock themselves into a 10 year term. Who the fuck does a 10-year loan? As an owner of a 100K+ truck I would be interested in seeing the payment structure of that because interest rates are out of orbit currently. Hell I would be interested to see how many of the current trucks coming out will be on the road in good condition in 10 years. We did a 5 year loan and will own it 2-2.5 years. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:17:26 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:21:43 AM EST
[#39]
This is why spending millions on robots seems cheap to so many employers.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:23:35 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why spending millions on robots seems cheap to so many employers. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:23:56 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they automakers were smart (LOL) they would happily trade 40% for better ability to fire terrible employees. But they aren't, so the big three are likely to go the way of Sears. Yup. MBAs are currently ensuring that outfits like Toyota and Tesla are drinking their milkshake. I don't have it in me to give a shit either. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:24:06 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:24:56 AM EST
[#43]
 Rats, all the Alabama auto manufacturers are non-union.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:38:06 AM EST
[#44]
That's a pretty reasonable ask considering inflation.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:47:26 AM EST
[#45]
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:51:18 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:53:09 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Vehicles made in Japan are made better... Yup. Mine was 37 years ago. It's been a great truck. I'm glad the auto plant I worked at never caved to the UAW. The only people that wanted the UAW were useless anyways. made 80k gross my first year there working as maintenance. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:55:30 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that. True,  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:55:47 AM EST
[#49]
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Posted: 8/4/2023 12:01:12 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. Agreed, Walmart was around $18/hr here with benefits. Not too crazy that a manufacturing job should not pay more then Walmart. |
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