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Posted: 5/11/2023 5:15:21 PM EDT
[#1]
that should be good enough for Biden to kick in another $1.5 billion easy...
half our money to Ukraine the other half to Mexico 
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Posted: 5/11/2023 5:16:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats basically what they did the last time. I would be shocked if they suddenly started talking openly about the actual plan. Also, as he alluded to, I'd be surprised if Bakhmut is where their main effort would even be. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 5:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, as he alluded to, I'd be surprised if Bakhmut is where their main effort would even be.  
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:00:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who knows what to believe. Many Pro Ukes here said it already started. Like a week or so ago. Now Z says it hasn't started yet. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even with full recourse's they wont be able to. Ukraine will NEVER take back the land it lost. They couldn't take back Luhansk and Donetsk when it was mainly a Civil War. Now that Russia has had over a year to fully dig in? Its Russian soil at this point. Russia cannot take more then it owns now and Ukraine cannot take it back. Both sides know it but refuse to admit it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:08:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Ukranian Counteroffensive s happening across much of the frontline as we speak. Russian front is collapsing
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:08:54 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Russia's not going to take anymore of Ukraine and Ukraine is not going to push Russia out, both sides have to know this. People are suffering and dying for nothing now. If we had someone worth a crap in the White House this would be over in a week. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:13:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't follow the reports deeply but I haven't heard much about Russian airstrikes destroying large amounts of equipment. Actually, I haven't heard about Russian air strikes in any capacity. Is that claim remotely believable? I haven't heard much about Ukraine losses at all. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:14:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Prigozhin" Wait, you're referencing the Russian guy who's behind taking Bakhmut as your info source but I'm the one pushing "Russian propaganda"  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh boy. That you keep posting this stuff even while Prigozhin repeatedly says "Uh, things are kinda shit, prepare for some bad news" is just... *chef's kiss* Its like you're playing a deep double propaganda game specifically designed to illustrate how silly the Russian propaganda is by repeating the slightly out of date stuff right when it passes its sell-by date. Just to highlight the off smell of it. "Prigozhin" Wait, you're referencing the Russian guy who's behind taking Bakhmut as your info source but I'm the one pushing "Russian propaganda" You seem to be heavily invested in this war by the few threads that I've seen. Are you from Russia? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:22:01 PM EDT
[#11]
While you say the counter offensive is delayed it’s been 441 days since Russia has declared victory in Ukraine with no end of hostilities.
Everyday they are hitting more and more Russian supply dumps, depots, and troop concentrations to shape the battlefield. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:23:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukranian Counteroffensive s happening across much of the frontline as we speak. Russian front is collapsing Facts to go with this? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steiner's HIMARS will bring it under control The himars stopped Russian advances from late summer last year and made it very costly. Why isn’t Russia gaining ground like summer of 2022? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:25:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it looks like those leaked documents were correct in their assessment the Ukrainians aren't as competent and capable as the propaganda shows. Or how the Ukrainian government hyped up Kherson to draw more Russians in then struck in Kharkiv and liberated more land in 10 days than Russia took in months? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:28:35 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't heard much about Ukraine losses at all. Yup, cuz they don't paint a pretty picture. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:31:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, cuz they don't paint a pretty picture. Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:39:47 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukranian Counteroffensive s happening across much of the frontline as we speak. Russian front is collapsing Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:46:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Zelensky saying that may well be an act of deception That's not fair! |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. Anything short of Russia making gains is collapsing for the Putinbros agenda |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:55:54 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. This. If the UA can maintain operational security, I think there’s a good chance that they could surround and destroy the forces pushing into Bakhmut. Bigger question is if they would attack there or further south and possibly cut the Russian lines in half and cut the north off from Crimea in the south. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:57:18 PM EDT
[#21]
could be true
could be disinformation psyops is a thing |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 6:59:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Well, there's a ridiculous comment if ever there was one. Or, was that sarcasm and I missed it? So hard to tell these days. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 7:04:46 PM EDT
[#23]
There is no fucking counter-offensive.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 7:07:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10% for the big guy. 70% for all the guys before it makes it to the front. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 7:11:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We most likely won’t see Ukraine take back much ground that the Russians took. Longer it takes them to attempt the harder it will be for Ukraine to make any meaningful gains. The west slow rolled the aid and didn’t give them what they needed when they needed it. 
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Posted: 5/11/2023 7:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no fucking counter-offensive. That’s what folks said in September and October of 2022, yet look at what happened |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 7:34:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 70% for all the guys before it makes it to the front. It’s the only way to spread “democracy.” |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 9:36:44 PM EDT
[#28]
Russia claimed it was never about to invade Ukraine until it was. Russian propagandists declared it wouldn’t.
Then it did. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 10:36:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: or would it....because it's unexpected! General Melchett: “Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.” Blackadder: “Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?” Captain Darling: “How could you possibly know that, Blackadder?! It’s classified information!” |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 10:43:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that I mean when you are on the defensive and your KIA numbers are in the same ballpark as the enemy and your WIA numbers aren't much better thats not doing great. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 11:09:03 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean when you are on the defensive and your KIA numbers are in the same ballpark as the enemy and your WIA numbers aren't much better thats not doing great. There are large gaps between Ukraine’s losses and russias. Very large. For one, Russia is using men in human wave attacks. See bakhmut and vuhkedar. It’s not working. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 11:23:07 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no fucking counter-offensive. Yep! It’s like the d-day invasion. The Allies were all over Normandy before the Germans realized that there was no fucking invasion of Calais. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:28:52 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Lol Some "bio labs" douche on Twitter is a reliable source now? Quoting Douglas Macgregor no less  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225450_www_youtube_c-2813428.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225513_www_youtube_c-2813429.jpg But Blinken and Biden are credible?   Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:49:50 AM EDT
[#34]
First two weeks of good forecasted weather they're going to launch their offensive south into Melitopol. The practiced river crossing along the Dnipro in the south in Kherson is a faint.
Offensive though will have limited penetration and limited results due to lack of air superiority, which the Ukrainians will rightfully point out in their subsequent requests for western air power. If the offensive results in total disaster it will be down to Ukrainian commanders have very limited operational level experience, but Ukraine can massively fail and still maintain the current status quo against Russia since none of the assets involved have been necessary to hold back the Russians to this point. In my opinion, not enough has been done to shape the battle field prior to this offensive and the lack of air superiority is a primary factor in that failure. War never changes, this is basic strategy, just as the U.S. shaped the battle field for over a month straight through its air campaign in the Persian Gulf in 1991 that same requirement is present today. Sadly, even if completely successful, some Western hardware is going to be lost that didn't need to be at great expense/waste to the U.S. tax payer. The failure to provide air assets for this campaign (I would have done so through a PMC option) is completely idiotic, UNLESS the goal is to stretch this conflict longer and I think that is the actual goal here. The West wants to bleed Russia for years if they can, this is that slow bleed shit strategy that Rand Corporation published about many years ago put into action. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:30:56 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren't breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn't do that I guess that's just European tradition at this point? The Ukrainians are still the underdogs, and we culturally like to root for the little guy. But the discussions in GD are highly biased one way or the other. There are precious few that present just facts without a heavy bias. Yes Russia is massively under performing expectations. But the reality is they still hold big chunks of Ukraine. I hope Z pulls another rope a dope on Russia and kicks their drunk asses out, but that's a long road yet full of dangers for the whole world. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:33:05 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are large gaps between Ukraine's losses and russias. Very large. For one, Russia is using men in human wave attacks. See bakhmut and vuhkedar. It's not working. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:34:17 AM EDT
[#37]
I wonder if any of the Ukraine fellating NPCs will ever admit they supported a deep state money laundering operation after the nukes fly?
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:37:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Russia is massively under performing expectations. But the reality is they still hold big chunks of Ukraine. I hope Z pulls another rope a dope on Russia and kicks their drunk asses out, but that's a long road yet full of dangers for the whole world. I am interested in seeing how this plays out. No matter what the endgame in Ukraine is, good times are over. This was just the kick off to attempts to change the global power dynamic. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:39:30 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It works eventually, if you use enough meat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are large gaps between Ukraine's losses and russias. Very large. For one, Russia is using men in human wave attacks. See bakhmut and vuhkedar. It's not working. I don't know what Wagner is doing now, but early on they were using Russian convicts for the essentially probing attacks. Wagner would let the convicts get slaughtered and then decide if they wanted to allocate additional resources into a certain area. It has worked for them so far. Wagner does have solid trained men at their disposal and they do use them from time to time, but they also have just the dregs of Russian society they toss at Ukraine. The problem is that every time Ukraine loses a man that's a good quality soldier and ultimately despite mass mobilization Ukraine only has to many combat effective troops. Although, the Russians swear up and down that there are lot of Polish and Baltic fighters fighting for Ukraine so maybe Ukraine roster of troops is deeper than most people think. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:40:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't heard much about Ukraine losses at all. Nor will you. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:46:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We most likely won’t see Ukraine take back much ground that the Russians took. Longer it takes them to attempt the harder it will be for Ukraine to make any meaningful gains. The west slow rolled the aid and didn’t give them what they needed when they needed it. When you state the “West” I hope you mean Western Europe. We have given too much. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:57:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that They are not pushing back solo... stop drinking the Ukrbro flavor aid. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 11:02:41 AM EDT
[#43]
Yeah but do they actually have war heads on them or are they just for show?
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Posted: 5/13/2023 12:27:18 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are not pushing back solo... stop drinking the Ukrbro flavor aid. What nato armies are in Ukraine pushing back with them? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 7:55:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if any of the Ukraine fellating NPCs will ever admit they supported a deep state money laundering operation after the nukes fly? Nobody is supporting Russia, dude |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:20:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is time to negotiate a peace agreement. How far should each side go on the battlefield? What should they demand at the negotiating table? How will the agreement be enforced? Until there are viable answers to those questions war termination is unlikely. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:25:49 AM EDT
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A distraction only works if it keeps distracting, even if only distracting the weak minds. And one wonders whether all the "destroyed equipment" was really destroyed or sold in the black market to launder more money. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10% of $1.2B is a lot of money. At this point it's more likely 95% of $1.2B. Too many on that gravy train. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:47:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point it's more likely 95% of $1.2B. Too many on that gravy train. I suspect some of the most militant supporters here have a vested interest in the "aid" business. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:15:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect some of the most militant supporters here have a vested interest in the "aid" business. Only interest I have is that a tyrant be defeated and friends and fellow arfcommers be safe. |
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