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Quoted: Who knows what to believe. Many Pro Ukes here said it already started. Like a week or so ago. Now Z says it hasn't started yet. View Quote |
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Quoted: Even with full recourse's they wont be able to. Ukraine will NEVER take back the land it lost. They couldn't take back Luhansk and Donetsk when it was mainly a Civil War. Now that Russia has had over a year to fully dig in? Its Russian soil at this point. Russia cannot take more then it owns now and Ukraine cannot take it back. Both sides know it but refuse to admit it. View Quote |
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Ukranian Counteroffensive s happening across much of the frontline as we speak. Russian front is collapsing
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Quoted: This. Russia's not going to take anymore of Ukraine and Ukraine is not going to push Russia out, both sides have to know this. People are suffering and dying for nothing now. If we had someone worth a crap in the White House this would be over in a week. View Quote |
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Quoted: I don't follow the reports deeply but I haven't heard much about Russian airstrikes destroying large amounts of equipment. Actually, I haven't heard about Russian air strikes in any capacity. Is that claim remotely believable? View Quote I haven't heard much about Ukraine losses at all. |
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Quoted: "Prigozhin" Wait, you're referencing the Russian guy who's behind taking Bakhmut as your info source but I'm the one pushing "Russian propaganda" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh boy. That you keep posting this stuff even while Prigozhin repeatedly says "Uh, things are kinda shit, prepare for some bad news" is just... *chef's kiss* Its like you're playing a deep double propaganda game specifically designed to illustrate how silly the Russian propaganda is by repeating the slightly out of date stuff right when it passes its sell-by date. Just to highlight the off smell of it. "Prigozhin" Wait, you're referencing the Russian guy who's behind taking Bakhmut as your info source but I'm the one pushing "Russian propaganda" You seem to be heavily invested in this war by the few threads that I've seen. Are you from Russia? |
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While you say the counter offensive is delayed it’s been 441 days since Russia has declared victory in Ukraine with no end of hostilities.
Everyday they are hitting more and more Russian supply dumps, depots, and troop concentrations to shape the battlefield. |
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Quoted: So it looks like those leaked documents were correct in their assessment the Ukrainians aren't as competent and capable as the propaganda shows. View Quote Or how the Ukrainian government hyped up Kherson to draw more Russians in then struck in Kharkiv and liberated more land in 10 days than Russia took in months? |
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Quoted: Yup, cuz they don't paint a pretty picture. View Quote Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that |
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Quoted: Ukranian Counteroffensive s happening across much of the frontline as we speak. Russian front is collapsing View Quote Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. |
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Quoted: Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. View Quote Anything short of Russia making gains is collapsing for the Putinbros agenda |
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Quoted: Eh, not sure of collapsing because it sounds like this is just probing and shaping. It is interesting that several places (including the Bakhmut flanks) seem to be butter soft and even the slightest pushing by Ukraine forced them to fall back and other forces shifted to backstop. View Quote This. If the UA can maintain operational security, I think there’s a good chance that they could surround and destroy the forces pushing into Bakhmut. Bigger question is if they would attack there or further south and possibly cut the Russian lines in half and cut the north off from Crimea in the south. |
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Well, there's a ridiculous comment if ever there was one. Or, was that sarcasm and I missed it? So hard to tell these days. |
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Russia claimed it was never about to invade Ukraine until it was. Russian propagandists declared it wouldn’t.
Then it did. |
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Quoted: or would it....because it's unexpected! View Quote General Melchett: “Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.” Blackadder: “Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?” Captain Darling: “How could you possibly know that, Blackadder?! It’s classified information!” |
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Quoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that View Quote I mean when you are on the defensive and your KIA numbers are in the same ballpark as the enemy and your WIA numbers aren't much better thats not doing great. |
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Quoted: I mean when you are on the defensive and your KIA numbers are in the same ballpark as the enemy and your WIA numbers aren't much better thats not doing great. View Quote There are large gaps between Ukraine’s losses and russias. Very large. For one, Russia is using men in human wave attacks. See bakhmut and vuhkedar. It’s not working. |
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Quoted: Quoting Douglas Macgregor no less https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225450_www_youtube_c-2813428.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225513_www_youtube_c-2813429.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Lol Some "bio labs" douche on Twitter is a reliable source now? Quoting Douglas Macgregor no less https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225450_www_youtube_c-2813428.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/Webopname_11-5-2023_225513_www_youtube_c-2813429.jpg But Blinken and Biden are credible? Attached File |
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First two weeks of good forecasted weather they're going to launch their offensive south into Melitopol. The practiced river crossing along the Dnipro in the south in Kherson is a faint.
Offensive though will have limited penetration and limited results due to lack of air superiority, which the Ukrainians will rightfully point out in their subsequent requests for western air power. If the offensive results in total disaster it will be down to Ukrainian commanders have very limited operational level experience, but Ukraine can massively fail and still maintain the current status quo against Russia since none of the assets involved have been necessary to hold back the Russians to this point. In my opinion, not enough has been done to shape the battle field prior to this offensive and the lack of air superiority is a primary factor in that failure. War never changes, this is basic strategy, just as the U.S. shaped the battle field for over a month straight through its air campaign in the Persian Gulf in 1991 that same requirement is present today. Sadly, even if completely successful, some Western hardware is going to be lost that didn't need to be at great expense/waste to the U.S. tax payer. The failure to provide air assets for this campaign (I would have done so through a PMC option) is completely idiotic, UNLESS the goal is to stretch this conflict longer and I think that is the actual goal here. The West wants to bleed Russia for years if they can, this is that slow bleed shit strategy that Rand Corporation published about many years ago put into action. |
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Quoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren't breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn't do that View Quote I guess that's just European tradition at this point? The Ukrainians are still the underdogs, and we culturally like to root for the little guy. But the discussions in GD are highly biased one way or the other. There are precious few that present just facts without a heavy bias. Yes Russia is massively under performing expectations. But the reality is they still hold big chunks of Ukraine. I hope Z pulls another rope a dope on Russia and kicks their drunk asses out, but that's a long road yet full of dangers for the whole world. |
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I wonder if any of the Ukraine fellating NPCs will ever admit they supported a deep state money laundering operation after the nukes fly?
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Quoted: Yes Russia is massively under performing expectations. But the reality is they still hold big chunks of Ukraine. I hope Z pulls another rope a dope on Russia and kicks their drunk asses out, but that's a long road yet full of dangers for the whole world. View Quote I am interested in seeing how this plays out. No matter what the endgame in Ukraine is, good times are over. This was just the kick off to attempts to change the global power dynamic. |
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Quoted: It works eventually, if you use enough meat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There are large gaps between Ukraine's losses and russias. Very large. For one, Russia is using men in human wave attacks. See bakhmut and vuhkedar. It's not working. I don't know what Wagner is doing now, but early on they were using Russian convicts for the essentially probing attacks. Wagner would let the convicts get slaughtered and then decide if they wanted to allocate additional resources into a certain area. It has worked for them so far. Wagner does have solid trained men at their disposal and they do use them from time to time, but they also have just the dregs of Russian society they toss at Ukraine. The problem is that every time Ukraine loses a man that's a good quality soldier and ultimately despite mass mobilization Ukraine only has to many combat effective troops. Although, the Russians swear up and down that there are lot of Polish and Baltic fighters fighting for Ukraine so maybe Ukraine roster of troops is deeper than most people think. |
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Quoted: We most likely won’t see Ukraine take back much ground that the Russians took. Longer it takes them to attempt the harder it will be for Ukraine to make any meaningful gains. The west slow rolled the aid and didn’t give them what they needed when they needed it. View Quote When you state the “West” I hope you mean Western Europe. We have given too much. |
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Quoted: Ukraine is taking a beating. We know that. But the difference is they aren’t breaking and are pushing back solo against a nuclear power in a Conventional fight. Russia was supposed to have taken all of Ukraine in a few days. They didn’t do that View Quote They are not pushing back solo... stop drinking the Ukrbro flavor aid. |
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Yeah but do they actually have war heads on them or are they just for show?
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How far should each side go on the battlefield? What should they demand at the negotiating table? How will the agreement be enforced? Until there are viable answers to those questions war termination is unlikely. |
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View Quote A distraction only works if it keeps distracting, even if only distracting the weak minds. And one wonders whether all the "destroyed equipment" was really destroyed or sold in the black market to launder more money. |
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