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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:00:31 PM EST
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For those who have experienced PTSD, I'm curious what your opinions are on the following video, and his assessment of PTSD. The people in my life with PTSD generally don't like to talk about it.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:03:38 PM EST
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Grossman has been largely discredited on every level. he was never in combat and based his ideas based upon Marshall's made up bullshit. I killed and my men killed. A lot. They aren't the ones with PTSD demanding free pot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recommend a read Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's book On Killing and On Combat where he documents the improvements in PTSD treatment and prevention from the lessons learned from the American Civil War forward. In WWII the most common combat injury was "combat fatigue" where whole units were rendered nonfunctional due to the near continuous combat stress they suffered. One thing that Grossman cites that helped the WWII combat vets over say the Vietnam vets was the decompression that the WWII vets went through together as they sailed home on transport ships as whole units. Units also tended to be regional ones drafted and serving together from the same county. In Vietnam lots of lessons were learned the hard way. A soldier was dropped into a unit full of strangers, went into combat with them, and then following their tour they were plucked out on a Tuesday and dropped into their home town by the following Friday. Lots of wrong there and plenty of Vietnam vets still pay the price for those mistakes sadly. The prevention and treatment of the crazy levels of stress that killing another human being is an on-going several method effort. It involves subtle and small things like changing the shape of an Army practice target from a bullseye to a human silhouette to the recreation provided in the green zones in Iraq this afternoon. I've had the honor of listening to Col Grossman talk a couple of times and his arguments make a lot of sense. Anyone who has been in combat or had to kill ought to read his books. Those in the military or police service ought to read them before entering combat or having to take a life. he was never in combat and based his ideas based upon Marshall's made up bullshit. I killed and my men killed. A lot. They aren't the ones with PTSD demanding free pot. 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:06:39 PM EST
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For those who have experienced PTSD, I'm curious what your opinions are on the following video, and his assessment of PTSD. The people in my life with PTSD generally don't like to talk about it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snke9v4S2rU |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:11:44 PM EST
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I want it to be legal so I can grow and sell it. What a great retirement job  |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:11:52 PM EST
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I just find it retarded that a person can choose to self-medicate whatever ails them with booze but self-medicating with pot is illegal. I can literally drink myself to death in an hour or less, but can't smoke enough weed to die from THC intoxication. It makes no fucking sense.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:12:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryShow me on the doll where the Pot smoker touched you....
Curious how many drinks you has this past week? And why did you feel it was a good idea to drink those alcoholic drinks? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:21:38 PM EST
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I'd rather somebody smoke weed than get shitfaced drunk. A cop buddy of mine always says: "I've responded to tons of domestics where drunks beat the shit out of family members. I've yet to respond to a 'smoked a joint and beat up family members' call." |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:21:56 PM EST
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LOL. sarcasm I hope? Since you seem to be a PTSD expert surely you know thats not how PTSD works and that two people can experience the exact same event and one can be not affected by that event at all and the other experiences PTSD as a result? Sorry everyone can't have the same mental fortitude as the mighty Sylvan and his troops and shoot people in the face and go on about their days and lives completely unaffected. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recommend a read Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's book On Killing and On Combat where he documents the improvements in PTSD treatment and prevention from the lessons learned from the American Civil War forward. In WWII the most common combat injury was "combat fatigue" where whole units were rendered nonfunctional due to the near continuous combat stress they suffered. One thing that Grossman cites that helped the WWII combat vets over say the Vietnam vets was the decompression that the WWII vets went through together as they sailed home on transport ships as whole units. Units also tended to be regional ones drafted and serving together from the same county. In Vietnam lots of lessons were learned the hard way. A soldier was dropped into a unit full of strangers, went into combat with them, and then following their tour they were plucked out on a Tuesday and dropped into their home town by the following Friday. Lots of wrong there and plenty of Vietnam vets still pay the price for those mistakes sadly. The prevention and treatment of the crazy levels of stress that killing another human being is an on-going several method effort. It involves subtle and small things like changing the shape of an Army practice target from a bullseye to a human silhouette to the recreation provided in the green zones in Iraq this afternoon. I've had the honor of listening to Col Grossman talk a couple of times and his arguments make a lot of sense. Anyone who has been in combat or had to kill ought to read his books. Those in the military or police service ought to read them before entering combat or having to take a life. he was never in combat and based his ideas based upon Marshall's made up bullshit. I killed and my men killed. A lot. They aren't the ones with PTSD demanding free pot. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:24:09 PM EST
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Show me on the doll where the Pot smoker touched you.... Curious how many drinks you has this past week? And why did you feel it was a good idea to drink those alcoholic drinks? Edit: I actually had a drink on my birthday with dinner, which was right at the start of the year. Other than those two instances I can't think of any other times. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:25:50 PM EST
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Quoted:But I'll tell you straight up half the PTSD cases are bullshit and I'll bet the most vocal pot heads demanding this are the biggest bullshitters. The American Legion – one of the nation’s largest and most conservative veterans’ groups – is lobbying the Trump administration to reclassify cannabis. Currently, under existing guidelines, physicians with the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) are instructed to refrain from even discussing the effectiveness of medical marijuana.
Sure to upset the likes of A.G. Jeff Sessions, the American Legion recently sent a letter to Pres. Trump asking the administration to reschedule marijuana. The Legion is asking that the plant be rescheduled in order to allow research to establish the plant’s potential medicinal value for treating America’s veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and traumatic brain injury (TBI). The Legion’s message was simple and concise, “clear the way for clinical research in the cutting-edge areas of cannabinoid receptor research.” The group is not asking for marijuana “to be legalized,” rather, they want to reschedule the plant so that it can be legally studied. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:36:25 PM EST
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A buddy of mine who was in 9 IEDs has told me that smoking pot has helped him.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:40:31 PM EST
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This! I'll bet they where dirt bags when they were in. You want to legalize pot? Go ahead don't tell me it helps Vets with PTSD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to see their fucking service record first. You want to legalize pot? Go ahead don't tell me it helps Vets with PTSD. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:45:34 PM EST
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Most of the people claiming PTSD are opportunist borderline FSA. The ones that are legit PTSD cases are getting screwed over by the frauds clogging up the system
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:50:03 PM EST
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My Gut agrees, but a old squadron mate who was HMX-1 smokes it and that dude is and was squared away like no other. I think lazy person= lazy pot head. I dont hang around with pot heads so it is hard for me to say either way. 99% of everyone I know holds a security clearance. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:52:51 PM EST
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Most of the people claiming PTSD are opportunist borderline FSA. The ones that are legit PTSD cases are getting screwed over by the frauds clogging up the system |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:54:13 PM EST
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Different temperaments are definitely going to affect how people who use it are affected by it. Much like Alcohol, it won't produce the exact same results with everyone who consumes it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My Gut agrees, but a old squadron mate who was HMX-1 smokes it and that dude is and was squared away like no other. I think lazy person= lazy pot head. I dont hang around with pot heads so it is hard for me to say either way. 99% of everyone I know holds a security clearance. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:54:22 PM EST
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Most of the people claiming PTSD are opportunist borderline FSA. The ones that are legit PTSD cases are getting screwed over by the frauds clogging up the system |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:05:38 PM EST
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There are pleasure seekers seeking drugs through all avenues of medicine. This is not a new problem, or one that is exclusive to Vets, PTSD, or weed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the people claiming PTSD are opportunist borderline FSA. The ones that are legit PTSD cases are getting screwed over by the frauds clogging up the system Apply the same logic to booze. If people thought booze helped them with PTSD, shouldn't it be regarded as medicine, and shouldn't they get prescribed some free hooch? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:21:06 PM EST
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If fraud is the biggest complaint with medical marijuana, then just legalize it recreationally already. Then there won't be any fraud related to vets, or anyone else, just wanting legal weed and claiming X or Y ailment to get it. Problem solved.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:26:27 PM EST
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But, will giving free weed to treat a problem in a system that is known to have abuse issues cause more people to claim PTSD so they can get free weed? Apply the same logic to booze. If people thought booze helped them with PTSD, shouldn't it be regarded as medicine, and shouldn't they get prescribed some free hooch? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the people claiming PTSD are opportunist borderline FSA. The ones that are legit PTSD cases are getting screwed over by the frauds clogging up the system Apply the same logic to booze. If people thought booze helped them with PTSD, shouldn't it be regarded as medicine, and shouldn't they get prescribed some free hooch? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:27:30 PM EST
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If fraud is the biggest complaint with medical marijuana, then just legalize it recreationally already. Then there won't be any fraud related to vets, or anyone else, just wanting legal weed and claiming X or Y ailment to get it. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:28:36 PM EST
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But, will giving free weed to treat a problem in a system that is known to have abuse issues cause more people to claim PTSD so they can get free weed? Apply the same logic to booze. If people thought booze helped them with PTSD, shouldn't it be regarded as medicine, and shouldn't they get prescribed some free hooch? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:54:29 PM EST
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LOL. sarcasm I hope? Since you seem to be a PTSD expert surely you know thats not how PTSD works and that two people can experience the exact same event and one can be not affected by that event at all and the other experiences PTSD as a result? Sorry everyone can't have the same mental fortitude as the mighty Sylvan and his troops and shoot people in the face and go on about their days and lives completely unaffected. Spare me the bullshit. We are throwing money at vets and all they have to do is lie. Think they won't lie to try to score some free weed, too? Maybe a little MST and put on some pounds and hope they get fat enough for some of that fat sleep apnea cash, too. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:55:44 PM EST
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Grossman has been largely discredited on every level. he was never in combat and based his ideas based upon Marshall's made up bullshit. I killed and my men killed. A lot. They aren't the ones with PTSD demanding free pot. No PTSD here. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:57:18 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:59:21 PM EST
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I smoked a 12 year old with the .50, because he was carrying a shovel and probably helping plant IEDs, in April 2007 just outside Buhriz. Turned that fucker into spaghetti with Ragu. No PTSD here. Everyone thinks if you see a FLIR video on liveleak and they remember it it is suddenly PTSD. It really sucks for the people who actually have it, because they can't study it when so many others are fucking lying for free cash. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:01:15 PM EST
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Don't really care. Light up. Enjoy. Whatever.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:03:15 PM EST
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Don't really care. Light up. Enjoy. Whatever. Which is what this conversation actually is about. You went from Ohio to Texas. Any problems maintaining your lifestyle? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:05:50 PM EST
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could you send me some funds so I can blaze up? Its cause of the war, man. you civilians wouldn't understand. Which is what this conversation actually is about. You went from Ohio to Texas. Any problems maintaining your lifestyle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't really care. Light up. Enjoy. Whatever. Which is what this conversation actually is about. You went from Ohio to Texas. Any problems maintaining your lifestyle? 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:08:05 PM EST
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The question is whether it becomes a disorder. a disability. leading to an inability to live your life. Everyone thinks if you see a FLIR video on liveleak and they remember it it is suddenly PTSD. It really sucks for the people who actually have it, because they can't study it when so many others are fucking lying for free cash. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:08:40 PM EST
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Yes, but 50% of these PTSD warriors never even fucking deployed. Spare me the bullshit. We are throwing money at vets and all they have to do is lie. Think they won't lie to try to score some free weed, too? Maybe a little MST and put on some pounds and hope they get fat enough for some of that fat sleep apnea cash, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL. sarcasm I hope? Since you seem to be a PTSD expert surely you know thats not how PTSD works and that two people can experience the exact same event and one can be not affected by that event at all and the other experiences PTSD as a result? Sorry everyone can't have the same mental fortitude as the mighty Sylvan and his troops and shoot people in the face and go on about their days and lives completely unaffected. Spare me the bullshit. We are throwing money at vets and all they have to do is lie. Think they won't lie to try to score some free weed, too? Maybe a little MST and put on some pounds and hope they get fat enough for some of that fat sleep apnea cash, too. eta: he has no disability rating for PTSD, just TBI, despite they are handing it out to everyone else |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:11:10 PM EST
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You realize that this is already happening within the VA and regular healthcare system right? People fake pain and injuries to obtain pain killers that they can either take or sell. People are also faking PTSD to get money from the VA. There are people who also fake mental issues to get mood stabilizers. The military is representative of society since that is who in fact makes up the military. There are drug users who are addicted in both the military/VA system as well as the rest of society. It is going to happen. Pot should be de criminalized everywhere why just limit it to the VA or for PTSD treatment. Comparative to alcohol or prescription drugs it is far lass harmful with less negative side affects. How about a little personal freedom and responsibility? Freedom is scary I know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You realize that this is already happening within the VA and regular healthcare system right? People fake pain and injuries to obtain pain killers that they can either take or sell. People are also faking PTSD to get money from the VA. There are people who also fake mental issues to get mood stabilizers. The military is representative of society since that is who in fact makes up the military. There are drug users who are addicted in both the military/VA system as well as the rest of society. It is going to happen. Pot should be de criminalized everywhere why just limit it to the VA or for PTSD treatment. Comparative to alcohol or prescription drugs it is far lass harmful with less negative side affects. How about a little personal freedom and responsibility? Freedom is scary I know. Quoted:
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:35:40 PM EST
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The uncomfortable fact that liberals and some here embrace is that life is dangerous. No amount of government protection will ever be enough to protect everyone from everything. Here we at least will argue that self defense involves a personally owned firearm where the liberals will say it involves dialing 9-1-1 and hoping the government arrives in time. My argument is that the juice isn't worth the squeeze when it comes to weed.
I will gladly defend the argument that alcohol is a better drug to outlaw and make a schedule 1 drug rather and marijuana. Is there any known medically accepted use of booze? 
Some of the doctors involved in this thread might provide some common medical treatments with the drug alcohol. 
Yeah, let's do tobacco next ... 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:38:22 PM EST
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Every time you smoke a joint a veterans loses his PTSD. So keep smoking..
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:39:57 PM EST
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Every time you smoke a joint a veterans loses his PTSD. So keep smoking.. 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:46:46 PM EST
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The question is whether it becomes a disorder. a disability. leading to an inability to live your life. Everyone thinks if you see a FLIR video on liveleak and they remember it it is suddenly PTSD. It really sucks for the people who actually have it, because they can't study it when so many others are fucking lying for free cash. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I smoked a 12 year old with the .50, because he was carrying a shovel and probably helping plant IEDs, in April 2007 just outside Buhriz. Turned that fucker into spaghetti with Ragu. No PTSD here. Everyone thinks if you see a FLIR video on liveleak and they remember it it is suddenly PTSD. It really sucks for the people who actually have it, because they can't study it when so many others are fucking lying for free cash. And in modern parlance, I never deployed. At least was never deployed as the term is now used. However, it hasn't stopped the VA's shrinks from diagnosing me with PTSD and sending me for treatment at the PTSD Clinic. Perhaps they are just making up things? Or I am? Not likely but it seems to be what you are implying. This is not the proper forum for that discussion, but I appreciate your concern for the fraud in the system. I haven't seen it though, and I doubt there is as much fraud among veterans as there is with welfare and SSDI. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:51:35 PM EST
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In general this is my experience, the ones who have gone places and actually done things remain quiet and humble about it. The ones who go around with their chests out how they killed haji all day and all kinds of other shit are the ones who are full of shit. I say in general if I am amongst friends who were there or I know have done similar things we talk about it openly but others not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For those who have experienced PTSD, I'm curious what your opinions are on the following video, and his assessment of PTSD. The people in my life with PTSD generally don't like to talk about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snke9v4S2rUIts all cool pulling the trigger until you think about what is really going on. It is what it is, fuckers had a choice and I console myself by telling myself he would have grown up to be a full blown terrorist regardless, of what reality may or may not been. Better him dying than one of my soldiers. Do I think about it? Yep Do I sometimes question my decisions. Yep Ultimatly do I care or let it keep me from enjoying life....fuck no I can't raise the dead, so at least the worms will be fed. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:54:40 PM EST
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Curious what you base your suspicion on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to see their fucking service record first. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:55:11 PM EST
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My buddy I mentioned above, who has a purple heart, 9 IEDs, including two of which killed everyone else in the vehicle, went through the PTSD program (in patient) several times. It got busy in the winter because all the homeless guys use it as a place to stay when it gets cold. He was pissed because it was full of bullshit. Unfortunate, because he really does have a fucked up case of PTSD. And nothing has really helped him. I don't expect him to make it for very much longer. eta: he has no disability rating for PTSD, just TBI, despite they are handing it out to everyone else I have noticed in this thread at least that those who actually work in the VA are generally agreeing with me. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:51:43 PM EST
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and guys like that won't get the help they need because the system is jammed up. I have noticed in this thread at least that those who actually work in the VA are generally agreeing with me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My buddy I mentioned above, who has a purple heart, 9 IEDs, including two of which killed everyone else in the vehicle, went through the PTSD program (in patient) several times. It got busy in the winter because all the homeless guys use it as a place to stay when it gets cold. He was pissed because it was full of bullshit. Unfortunate, because he really does have a fucked up case of PTSD. And nothing has really helped him. I don't expect him to make it for very much longer. eta: he has no disability rating for PTSD, just TBI, despite they are handing it out to everyone else I have noticed in this thread at least that those who actually work in the VA are generally agreeing with me.  . And being an Infantry vet with several deployments I know many people who have for sure the requirements for a positive PTSD diagnosis and rating but dont for several reasons. It is completey fucked.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:53:57 PM EST
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Aimless be Trollin'
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:58:29 PM EST
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He comes off as a loud mouth horses ass. He surely believes himself to be in charge but I'm certain if you met him it would become instantly apparent that he's not fit to lead water out of a boot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:20:11 PM EST
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I agree, shooting a 15-18yr old kid putting in a IED for bread and Chai money isn't always something to bragg about. Its all cool pulling the trigger until you think about what is really going on. It is what it is, fuckers had a choice and I console myself by telling myself he would have grown up to be a full blown terrorist regardless, of what reality may or may not been. Better him dying than one of my soldiers. Do I think about it? Yep Do I sometimes question my decisions. Yep Ultimatly do I care or let it keep me from enjoying life....fuck no I can't raise the dead, so at least the worms will be fed. I had major adjustment disorder coming off active duty. The NG kinda helped, but in the end, I still can't really make myself like other people out there. It's why I tried joining the Navy several months ago. I fired on the kid because I was the only one who had the range to hit him (about a 1000m), besides our 240. Adrenaline was pumping pretty hard, but at the same time I was scared that maybe it was a bad call that would have me ending up in Leavenworth or on CNN or some shit... I thanked God when we found the fucking pressure plate. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:22:35 PM EST
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If pot cures PTSD then just piss test vets with PTSD disability and if they pop hot for THC, consider them cured and stop sending them their PTSD check.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:52:20 PM EST
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If pot cures PTSD then just piss test vets with PTSD disability and if they pop hot for THC, consider them cured and stop sending them their PTSD check. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:11:01 PM EST
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In general this is my experience, the ones who have gone places and actually done things remain quiet and humble about it. The ones who go around with their chests out how they killed haji all day and all kinds of other shit are the ones who are full of shit. I say in general if I am amongst friends who were there or I know have done similar things we talk about it openly but others not so much. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:27:31 PM EST
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You mean they don't post that they have killed many people in big bold type? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:28:06 PM EST
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muh bible, much war on drugs, pot needles! But hey keep prescribing anti-depressants and SSRI's that kill your liver and kidneys and make you want to kill yourself even more. |
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