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Anyways....I think there's been a few bumps in the road ,I don't have any problems with site staff,or mods.I like them all except TBK1.I feel like he took his dislike out o me over stupid shit but whatever.
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When you have site staff openly shitting on moderators on the public side using made up BS that was an utter fabrication you have a complete failure of the administration here. Not only does it cause members to distrust staff statements, but furthermore, it is incredibly distasteful to have to watch. Moderators shouldn't have to take shit from anyone because they volunteer their time. It is in the COC I'm sure. For it to come from staff though and be pushed out on the public side - beyond belief. I would never let this happen to one of my mods. You need to fucking clean house around here as it is disgusting. That all the other mods and all of the staff aren't up in arms over this is extremely odd. Even if you wanted him out, the amount of disrespect shown here to a lifetime member, valuable contributor, and well trusted mod by the membership generally needs to be handled. He's good people, and seeing staff suggesting he was a problem isnt a good look for this site. |
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Oh, well. Was the cop's life more valuable than the woman's? The Democratic party took the same approach to their leaked emails. But yeah, he was totally just a whistleblower who was exposing hypocrisy and got punished for it, Same six letters, same number of bodies, one member was banned. That is hypocrisy and a double standard, whether or not he had a history. Look around. When one person thinks the moderation is bad, that person is probably the problem. When everyone thinks the moderation is bad, the moderation is probably the problem. The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated. Not that I really buy that at all, but police=/=military. |
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen.
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Is that what the ROE says? Not that I really buy that at all, but police=/=military. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, well. Was the cop's life more valuable than the woman's? The Democratic party took the same approach to their leaked emails. But yeah, he was totally just a whistleblower who was exposing hypocrisy and got punished for it, Same six letters, same number of bodies, one member was banned. That is hypocrisy and a double standard, whether or not he had a history. Look around. When one person thinks the moderation is bad, that person is probably the problem. When everyone thinks the moderation is bad, the moderation is probably the problem. The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated. Not that I really buy that at all, but police=/=military. |
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It is and instead of just being fun about it he has a nefarious agenda View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been told that's not trolling though. He's just adopted being the "perfect poster" toeing the line, and picking up that can. He's a foil, showcasing the future of the site under very strict adherence to the CoC. Join us, in being the best members, and the future of the site! |
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What's nefarious about being the best member under the color of having been told "the way things are going to be"? He's just adopted being the "perfect poster" toeing the line, and picking up that can. He's a foil, showcasing the future of the site under very strict adherence to the CoC. Join us, in being the best members, and the future of the site! View Quote Ill continue to post the way I do and have some fun until they ban me for something. |
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Seems simple.
1. Sell the asylum, collect cash. 2. Give the inmates the keys to the asylum. 3. Walk away. |
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I agree. I thought it was just me who thought that yesterday but now its quite obvious that what he is doing. Reminds me of a FL guy that i wont mention View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Mod in training or a 2nd mod account. Pretty easy to see Reminds me of a FL guy that i wont mention I'm not necessarily in the "mods are complicit" camp... but the recent heavy handed moderation, and the lack of firm statements and stances about freedom of speech and lack of support for civil-disobedience where needed, from the owners/leaders of the site is troubling. Paul's bullshit thread was enough to make me want to puke. I spend less time here, and more time elsewhere... I'm sure that others are doing the same. |
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. View Quote Adults can post without breaking the rules. |
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Are you aware that there are members that have been here for 15+ years and do not have a single Warning or Ban? Adults can post without breaking the rules. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. |
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Are you aware that there are members that have been here for 15+ years and do not have a single Warning or Ban? Adults can post without breaking the rules. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. View Quote Now is the perfect time to let him back in. |
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. |
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? |
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. View Quote |
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The trick with this, is that "trolling" is so subjective, that I'm not even sure how a prohibition on it can be enforced without making a lot of mistakes. If you think moderation is over the top now, just wait until we start handing out warnings for what we perceive as trolling. For my part, I'm more inclined to err on the side of caution (i.e. moderate using a less is more philosophy), rather than warn somebody for trolling mistakenly. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? You're doing just fine! |
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The trick with this, is that "trolling" is so subjective, that I'm not even sure how a prohibition on it can be enforced without making a lot of mistakes. If you think moderation is over the top now, just wait until we start handing out warnings for what we perceive as trolling. For my part, I'm more inclined to err on the side of caution (i.e. moderate using a less is more philosophy), rather than warn somebody for trolling mistakenly. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? |
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The trick with this, is that "trolling" is so subjective, that I'm not even sure how a prohibition on it can be enforced without making a lot of mistakes. If you think moderation is over the top now, just wait until we start handing out warnings for what we perceive as trolling. For my part, I'm more inclined to err on the side of caution (i.e. moderate using a less is more philosophy), rather than warn somebody for trolling mistakenly. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? View Quote It's an incremental step towards showing the guy you were trying to help him avoid trouble later, but there's still a record of the talk. It was used when some posters were being extraordinarily obnoxious, whether they were tipping and posting a bit too heavy or had personal issues going on, and it saved a lot of fuss later in many cases. In other cases, it was evidence of the issue going back longer than even written warnings or bans, and helped flesh out the greater issue than just the particular incident at hand that day. Especially when the member is being handled by a different mod than saw the issue in the past, that PM can be shared in the mod forum to illustrate the issue with the member. Some days Dad had a talk with you, and other days, Dad took a more hands on approach to the problem, so to speak. It works. |
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We used to use a method of just unofficially PMing a guy who was starting to act out, and let him know that he's headed towards a predictable outcome if he doesn't slow down a bit. It's an incremental step towards showing the guy you were trying to help him avoid trouble later, but there's still a record of the talk. It was used when some posters were being extraordinarily obnoxious, whether they were tipping and posting a bit too heavy or had personal issues going on, and it saved a lot of fuss later in many cases. In other cases, it was evidence of the issue going back longer than even written warnings or bans, and helped flesh out the greater issue than just the particular incident at hand that day. Especially when the member is being handled by a different mod than saw the issue in the past, that PM can be shared in the mod forum to illustrate the issue with the member. Some days Dad had a talk with you, and other days, Dad took a more hands on approach to the problem, so to speak. It works. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The trick with this, is that "trolling" is so subjective, that I'm not even sure how a prohibition on it can be enforced without making a lot of mistakes. If you think moderation is over the top now, just wait until we start handing out warnings for what we perceive as trolling. For my part, I'm more inclined to err on the side of caution (i.e. moderate using a less is more philosophy), rather than warn somebody for trolling mistakenly. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? It's an incremental step towards showing the guy you were trying to help him avoid trouble later, but there's still a record of the talk. It was used when some posters were being extraordinarily obnoxious, whether they were tipping and posting a bit too heavy or had personal issues going on, and it saved a lot of fuss later in many cases. In other cases, it was evidence of the issue going back longer than even written warnings or bans, and helped flesh out the greater issue than just the particular incident at hand that day. Especially when the member is being handled by a different mod than saw the issue in the past, that PM can be shared in the mod forum to illustrate the issue with the member. Some days Dad had a talk with you, and other days, Dad took a more hands on approach to the problem, so to speak. It works. |
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You know there’s an epic shitstorm going on behind the scenes . Once they break the huddle , the blitz of newspeak will be mind boggling . They e got a couple of placeholder mods and sycophants hanging around , but once the A team shows up it should get highly entertaining View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: You now have TWO threads saying stuff sucks around here and all site staff seems to be worried about is dogging former mods. Not only is there a painfully obvious disconnect but now its a maturity issue as well. Bells and whistles should have gone off nearly 1000 votes said they wouldn't renew their membership. Instead heads were placed in asses and "we need another poll". Now 600+ votes say the moderating sucks and all we have gotten is site staff and other mods attacking a former mod because he wasn't a JBT boot licker. (my favorite part is when you called him out in the pit then he replied and you quickly tried to tuck tail and run to IMs because "since this seems to be getting close to discussing mod/Staff forum stuff in public") Maybe we need another thread or 6 with an overwhelming pool saying things suck and y'all will wake up. Probably not, but maybe. If this the road y'all are going to go down, at least blame it on Russia. Its more entertaining than this shit show. Once they break the huddle , the blitz of newspeak will be mind boggling . They e got a couple of placeholder mods and sycophants hanging around , but once the A team shows up it should get highly entertaining |
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The trick with this, is that "trolling" is so subjective, that I'm not even sure how a prohibition on it can be enforced without making a lot of mistakes. If you think moderation is over the top now, just wait until we start handing out warnings for what we perceive as trolling. For my part, I'm more inclined to err on the side of caution (i.e. moderate using a less is more philosophy), rather than warn somebody for trolling mistakenly. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning? "Out of curiosity though, if you were in my shoes, how would you decide when a comment is trolling and deserves a warning?" I would bust out the flowchart/ decision matrix that was generated by the site leadership (or create my own) and see where it falls within any of the common trolling types. I.E. page 25/26 shows common actions and motivations of trolls. https://books.google.com/books?id=fa_NCwAAQBAJ&lpg=PR5&ots=Y3stgq7zw6&dq=online%20trolling%20&lr&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q=online%20trolling&f=false So from there's it's easy to generate a set of conditions in which to compare to posts. Give it two or three iterations of people posting back and forth and it'd be easy to see the difference between advancing dialogue, or deviant online behavior. It would work with arguments that go over the top too, that aren't necessarily trolling, but getting too passionate. Of course, having said decision matrix/ tree/ flowchart/ whatever would have to be posted in the CoC so people would know exactly how it's going to work, and then all the potential trolls would know the standard trolling dialogues are corrupt then have to get way more inventive to the point it would take most of the teeth out. Or you know, just tell them to stop trolling it was old when people were doing the same thing they are in myspace groups, then clown on them every time they try to troll. |
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anybody that joined after 13 is not allowed to troll/even post snarky comments under any circumstances ever or BAN.
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. I have a feeling he was just young, and making immature mistakes because like a lot of people in their early 20's (me included), he thought he was more clever than he really was. I'm sure he's grown up quite a bit over the last 8 years since he got the 'ol heave-ho. Were I to wager a guess though, I think he's long since given up on the place and stopped caring. |
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Also, I'd have a commanders intent/ mission statement for the site for posters, mods, and SS to circle back to, as well as a list of guiding principles that drive the site agenda, expectations of the members, as well as expectations for mods/SS that members can hold them accountable to. Also wouldn't hurt to have a few alt accounts that do some soft trolling around the site to keep mods and SS on their toes, sort of the forum equivalent of pen testing.
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. |
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A couple few years ago, I actually floated the idea of letting him back in. I have a feeling he was just young, and making immature mistakes because like a lot of people in their early 20's (me included), he thought he was more clever than he really was. I'm sure he's grown up quite a bit over the last 8 years since he got the 'ol heave-ho. Were I to wager a guess though, I think he's long since given up on the place and stopped caring. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, that's the dismissive attitude I love from people who think it's a posters fault for getting baited by trolls, instead of the trolls fault for attempting to bait posters into catching warnings. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. I have a feeling he was just young, and making immature mistakes because like a lot of people in their early 20's (me included), he thought he was more clever than he really was. I'm sure he's grown up quite a bit over the last 8 years since he got the 'ol heave-ho. Were I to wager a guess though, I think he's long since given up on the place and stopped caring. |
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. |
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A couple few years ago, I actually floated the idea of letting him back in. I have a feeling he was just young, and making immature mistakes because like a lot of people in their early 20's (me included), he thought he was more clever than he really was. I'm sure he's grown up quite a bit over the last 8 years since he got the 'ol heave-ho. Were I to wager a guess though, I think he's long since given up on the place and stopped caring. View Quote Asked him why he doesn't just start a new account, he said he won't be back in GD without being invited (or unlocked I guess). He was quite the troll, but unlike the share blue here he at least has some integrity, it would seem. |
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Well I've been told (to paraphrase), as long as people are adults and don't fall for it, then nothing will happen. If they do fall for it, then it shows they don't have control. Adults can post without breaking the rules. With your attitude Dave_A should be let back in GD right? Dave_A did nothing wrong, OTHER posters just couldn't be adults. |
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He still posts occasionally in the WAHTF. I spoke with him a bit back when I still lived there. Asked him why he doesn't just start a new account, he said he won't be back in GD without being invited (or unlocked I guess). He was quite the troll, but unlike the share blue here he at least has some integrity, it would seem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A couple few years ago, I actually floated the idea of letting him back in. I have a feeling he was just young, and making immature mistakes because like a lot of people in their early 20's (me included), he thought he was more clever than he really was. I'm sure he's grown up quite a bit over the last 8 years since he got the 'ol heave-ho. Were I to wager a guess though, I think he's long since given up on the place and stopped caring. Asked him why he doesn't just start a new account, he said he won't be back in GD without being invited (or unlocked I guess). He was quite the troll, but unlike the share blue here he at least has some integrity, it would seem. |
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