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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:29:41 PM EST
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Inmates don't run the asylum. Though they often think they should. I'm taking the comments and suggestions in this thread (and others) pretty seriously, and internalizing them. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:32:51 PM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:33:23 PM EST
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True, but I don't think of this place as an asylum and I damn sure don't think of the members as inmates. The members are what make this place. Without active participation from the members (they're the ones who generate all of the content), this place is nothing. I'm taking the comments and suggestions in this thread (and others) pretty seriously, and internalizing them. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:34:20 PM EST
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it. It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition. Hypothetically speaking of course. If members were allowed to vote, they would be cleared out quickly. Quoted: Point him out. Quoted: Show examples of their posts. He is not even trying to bait anyone into violating the COC and getting sanctioned. There is a lot better example of a disruptive troll but pointing the person out might get me sanctioned, he is not in this thread though. Pretty sure its against some rule calling people out. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:47:21 PM EST
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Analogies get twisted into red herrings too much. Arfcom is a social construct that depends on the viability of the social structure to maintain revenue. Revenue that comes from both the members and the advertisers. The one draws the other and it would take some very in depth analysis, plus some historical financial data, plus some judgement calls to draw conclusions. Which we do not have. The social framework is being rewritten / re-interpreted. The question is, will it have a detrimental effect on the website. Both as the social construct it is, and the business it is. Historically it will not. This isn't the first shakeup. But time will tell. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem (and why so many ARFCOMMERS have such a hard time with just giving up and going away): ARFCOM is not just a "revenue-oriented enterprise" focused on monetizing the adherents of some inconsequential hobby like knitting or golf. The Second Amendment is at the heart and soul of all other civil liberties, and ARFCOM is (or could be) one of the greatest assets that the pro-Freedom community has. To see this potential wasted by "pick up that can" mods/staff and "but muh liability" owners is upsetting to anyone who has even a shred of American spirit in him/her. How about: “... to maintain viability / coherence / validity” |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:51:39 PM EST
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I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. They don't like having the mirror held up to their own faces. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:51:59 PM EST
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True, but I don't think of this place as an asylum and I damn sure don't think of the members as inmates. The members are what make this place. Without active participation from the members (they're the ones who generate all of the content), this place is nothing. I'm taking the comments and suggestions in this thread (and others) pretty seriously, and internalizing them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Inmates don't run the asylum. Though they often think they should. I'm taking the comments and suggestions in this thread (and others) pretty seriously, and internalizing them. Thank you. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 7:52:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He isnt a troll, imo of course. He is not even trying to bait anyone into violating the COC and getting sanctioned. There is a lot better example of a disruptive troll but pointing the person out might get me sanctioned, he is not in this thread though. Pretty sure its against some rule calling people out. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 8:14:58 PM EST
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In on 55?
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Posted: 10/20/2019 8:17:59 PM EST
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I disagree. Members are guests. Guests need to have respect for the host's rules, or run the risk of being shown the door. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't worry, "If you don't like it you can leave." is exactly what the users are hearing. I think that's exactly the message that the new ownership intends to send, though. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 8:36:13 PM EST
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When you have site staff openly shitting on moderators on the public side using made up BS that was an utter fabrication you have a complete failure of the administration here. Not only does it cause members to distrust staff statements, but furthermore, it is incredibly distasteful to have to watch. Moderators shouldn't have to take shit from anyone because they volunteer their time. It is in the COC I'm sure. For it to come from staff though and be pushed out on the public side - beyond belief. I would never let this happen to one of my mods. You need to fucking clean house around here as it is disgusting. That all the other mods and all of the staff aren't up in arms over this is extremely odd. Even if you wanted him out, the amount of disrespect shown here to a lifetime member, valuable contributor, and well trusted mod by the membership generally needs to be handled. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 8:50:00 PM EST
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Serious question: Do you have a submission fetish? I've never seen one be so reverent to authority. However, I've only noticed your posts over the past 48 hours during this shitstorm, so my sample is biased. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't worry, "If you don't like it you can leave." is exactly what the users are hearing. I think that's exactly the message that the new ownership intends to send, though. 
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:04:01 PM EST
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it. It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition. Hypothetically speaking of course. If members were allowed to vote, they would be cleared out quickly. Ok, here’s the thing: Every post is functionally the same. Trolls back in the old days used to take Pride in their craft. They knew about lots of stuff, and argued endlessly about the most random trivia. They were annoying, but sometimes entertaining. Today’s trolls don’t even try. They are utterly worthless one trick ponies. They just mail it in. It’s really sad. Even the quality of the Tolls is in decline. 
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:08:43 PM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:09:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. Most people would move on, but you’ve kept at it for longer than a normal person would, hoping to get a different response. I’d say that is close to textbook trolling. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:10:22 PM EST
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Get used to it They don't like having the mirror held up to their own faces. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. They don't like having the mirror held up to their own faces. 
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:11:11 PM EST
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How in the world do you equate having respect for your host to a submission fetish?! |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:13:04 PM EST
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it. It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition. Hypothetically speaking of course. If members were allowed to vote, they would be cleared out quickly. Quoted:
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:14:43 PM EST
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I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it. It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition. Hypothetically speaking of course. If members were allowed to vote, they would be cleared out quickly. Quoted: Point him out. Quoted: Show examples of their posts. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. 
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:22:35 PM EST
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You’ve said your schpeel. It has been acknowledged, and 95% of posters disagree with you. Most people would move on, but you’ve kept at it for longer than a normal person would, hoping to get a different response. I’d say that is close to textbook trolling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. Most people would move on, but you’ve kept at it for longer than a normal person would, hoping to get a different response. I’d say that is close to textbook trolling. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:26:49 PM EST
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Polite disagreement is fine. Being an obnoxious ass and straffing page after page with bullshit doesn't constitute polite disagreement though. Hypothetically speaking of course. Read through this thread and look for the one guy hammering out the same post over and over and over again just waiting for somebody to take the bait while offering nothing of substance. That would be trolling. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 2:16:29 AM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2019 2:51:18 AM EST
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I disagree. Members are guests. Guests need to have respect for the host's rules, or run the risk of being shown the door. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't worry, "If you don't like it you can leave." is exactly what the users are hearing. I think that's exactly the message that the new ownership intends to send, though. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:18:26 AM EST
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The way I understand it, this isn't a party, it's a community. That's the impression I got from the owners. That's the appeal. People are invested in a community and care what happens to it. They try to improve it. People go to parties for a quick buzz and if they don't like it, they find a different one. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:23:19 AM EST
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The way I understand it, this isn't a party, it's a community. That's the impression I got from the owners. That's the appeal. People are invested in a community and care what happens to it. They try to improve it. People go to parties for a quick buzz and if they don't like it, they find a different one. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 6:49:51 AM EST
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Are those people really trying to help the community when they post content that management asks them not to, and then they flip out on the management? I don't think so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I understand it, this isn't a party, it's a community. That's the impression I got from the owners. That's the appeal. People are invested in a community and care what happens to it. They try to improve it. People go to parties for a quick buzz and if they don't like it, they find a different one. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. So in your mind, those people mean the community harm because "management" took action? And I guess by extension you also think the people protesting certain actions also wish ill on the community? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:17:06 AM EST
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Are those people really trying to help the community when they post content that management asks them not to, and then they flip out on the management? I don't think so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I understand it, this isn't a party, it's a community. That's the impression I got from the owners. That's the appeal. People are invested in a community and care what happens to it. They try to improve it. People go to parties for a quick buzz and if they don't like it, they find a different one. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:20:47 AM EST
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper. There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:25:11 AM EST
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Well we're not allowed to call out trolls, and there are secret badges that of course don't tell certain mods & staff to let infractions slide because "professional courtesy" so I would ask you, wise counselor, is this a site for normal non-special gun owners? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper. There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:27:54 AM EST
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper. There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, and a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:32:15 AM EST
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Are those people really trying to help the community when they post content that management asks them not to, and then they flip out on the management? I don't think so. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:32:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The site has gone from a firearms-enthusiast site to a slavishly-devoted-LEO-supporter site with a side order of guns. I support LEOs too, but the attitude now is "if you're not 100% supportive of cops no matter what they do, you're the enemy!" The tech forums aren't. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:35:58 AM EST
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So the roughly 1000 people who think that there is a problem with how this site is being moderated fall into that category? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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but the attitude now is "if you're not 100% supportive of cops no matter what they do, you're the enemy!" |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:44:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the roughly 1000 people who think that there is a problem with how this site is being moderated fall into that category? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:50:02 AM EST
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper. There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, and a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I understand it, this isn't a party, it's a community. That's the impression I got from the owners. That's the appeal. People are invested in a community and care what happens to it. They try to improve it. People go to parties for a quick buzz and if they don't like it, they find a different one. So go ahead and keep being a guest but quit harassing the members who want to help their community. Ideally, by stating this, the management might choose to review the changes that are discouraging someone like myself from continuing to support this site, the owners, and their advertisers. The absurdity that, on a site that ostensibly claims to be one the foremost places to come together as a community in support of our 2A rights, someone could be sanctioned for advocating peaceful disobedience of laws attempting to restrict those very rights, is almost too ridiculous to contemplate. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:30:54 AM EST
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True, but I don't think of this place as an asylum and I damn sure don't think of the members as inmates. The members are what make this place. Without active participation from the members (they're the ones who generate all of the content), this place is nothing. I'm taking the comments and suggestions in this thread (and others) pretty seriously, and internalizing them.  
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:49:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The site has gone from a firearms-enthusiast site to a slavishly-devoted-LEO-supporter site with a side order of guns. I support LEOs too, but the attitude now is "if you're not 100% supportive of cops no matter what they do, you're the enemy!" |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 1:35:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 1:49:04 PM EST
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Get used to it They don't like having the mirror held up to their own faces. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been polite. I've not accused anyone of being a troll, ass kisser, dick sucker, shareblue, or anything else. Produce posts in which I've done any of it. On the other hand, I've been accused of being all of those. They aren't hard to find. They don't like having the mirror held up to their own faces. @tc556guy |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:11:12 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2019 6:10:03 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2019 6:14:47 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:01:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The word for today is "analogy". The internet has dictionaries if you would like to know it's meaning. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:03:10 PM EST
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper. There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, and a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together. Hell, now we're being called trolls and disrupters. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:30:25 PM EST
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What this place needs is rotating staff and mods. Power corrupts, well it is insignificant power, but it is ar15.com power. Then again there might not be enough people that want the meaningless job.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:54:16 PM EST
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I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 8:30:38 PM EST
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I can't wait for election season. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:35:21 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:37:00 PM EST
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