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Posted: 11/17/2011 10:00:56 PM EST
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aside from taking apart a p232 that belonged to one of my Dad's employees, I really have no experience with it.
I do however own an Interarms USA built PPK/S that belonged to my Grandmother. Pretty simple gun to disassemble, the safety/decock is like that of the later P.38. However all of that being siad, I'm really not a fan of the pistol. Last time I shot it, my left thumb kept hitting the mag release, while the web of my right hand kept getting by the slide |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 10:33:53 PM EST
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I've owned 3 p230/232 sigs and for some reason I have a bad habit of trading guns. I'll eventually get another on in P232/locks open on empty mag. And in the alloy frame. Ergonomics are very good and I believe the best 380 built. Used in OK with this gun since it's not typically a shooter and usually in fine condition. I've never handled the ppk/s but not convince they are as reliable as the sig.
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Posted: 11/17/2011 10:51:11 PM EST
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What about a beretta 84 cheetah?
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:05:50 PM EST
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Quoted: What about a beretta 84 cheetah? never even heard of that gun till now, but now I'm seriously considering it, that's a nice looking pistol. maybe an 85 cheetah though with a single stack so it's not as fat as an m9 |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:23:03 PM EST
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I've found my PPK/S to be finicky about the ammo it eats. It will digest American made factory ammo just fine, but the Sellior and Bellot ammo tends to jam about 2 times every mag. I have a WW2 Sauer and Sohn 38H that seems likes anything I put into it and is quite accurate. I have no experience with the other hangun.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:36:42 PM EST
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Sig P238. Sweetest little miniature 1911 made. Check it out.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:37:47 PM EST
[#7]
Sig all day
Walthers even the old ones are rough, sharp, stiffly sprung turds that should not be carried off safe |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:39:51 PM EST
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I own a pre-68 German made PPK in .380. The quality and reliability is superb. My Dad owns a stainless S&W PPK/s, which I have fired a few times. The quality does not appear good at all and it jams (fails to feed) at least once in every mag, even with FMJ ammo. I have no experience with the Sig, but I would not buy the S&W PPK/s.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:41:42 PM EST
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hows the trigger between the two, someone was trying to convince me that the walther's was the nicest trigger in the world, for the single action part anyways
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:45:32 PM EST
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I hate the SIG mag release on the bottom on my 230.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:46:22 PM EST
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Quoted: hows the trigger between the two, someone was trying to convince me that the walther's was the nicest trigger in the world, for the single action part anyways Double action is very heavy and on the later guns rough to boot single action is OK but not worth writing home about the 232/230 is much smoother and nicer all the way around the Beretta is decent too but quite a bit bigger than either |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:48:37 PM EST
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Sig all day Walthers even the old ones are rough, sharp, stiffly sprung turds that should not be carried off safe I would love to hear more details about this horrendous quality of older Walther PPK pistols, and why they are not safe. Please elaborate. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:53:18 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Sig all day Walthers even the old ones are rough, sharp, stiffly sprung turds that should not be carried off safe I would love to hear more details about this horrendous quality of older Walther PPK pistols, and why they are not safe. Please elaborate. No firing pin block many police departments etc will not allow them for back up by older I meant back to interarms have owned a couple and handled dozens of early war and Pre War PPs/PPKs they are quite nicely made and smooth Interarms guns were passable but still unreasonably heavy double action and a bit sharp/rough the current SW guns are fucking horrid sharp as a knife , unreliable , double action pull bordering on impossible for a mortal man to pull but like is always said that's just like your opinion man.... |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 1:57:48 PM EST
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The PPS is an ok little pistol, but I don't think I'll ever get used to reaching for the trigger guard to drop a mag. REALLY small. I have small hands, and without the extended mag it just wouldn't be comfortable at all. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:01:59 PM EST
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My wife's Colt Mustang has been a great little pocket pistol. Can be a little hard to find though.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:08:09 PM EST
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I have a stainless Sig 232 that I bought several years ago. It's a decent shooter. Zipping through the magazine putting them all into the target is a zen like experience.
It'll cut the web your hand just like a PPK too if you hold it with a high grip or have ham fists. It also has the same Euro style grip heel mag release and the mag doesn't drop free, you have to pull it out. Recoil on those blowback guns is slappy. It almost stings your hand like a .357 with wood grips. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:10:13 PM EST
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would $3-400 be a pretty good price to spend on either of them?
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:12:04 PM EST
[#18]
Try a Belgian Browning BDA .380
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:19:52 PM EST
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Quoted: Try a Belgian Browning BDA .380 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/BrowningBDA380.jpg other than the open top slide that looks exactly like the beretta 84  |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:33:24 PM EST
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:38:47 PM EST
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The PPK has the James Bond classic vibe but a stainless 230/232 with Nill grips is hands down the sexiest handgun ever:
The SIG is an incredibly intuitive pointing gun. It holds and handles like nothing else out there. Were it only possible to make the exact same gun in full 9mm,it would be perfect. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:39:53 PM EST
[#22]
I always drooled over the Sig but the PPK/S has that James Bond vibe. If I was getting one. I'd give the nod to the Sig.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 2:40:16 PM EST
[#23]
SIG P-232, hands down.
I own two, and I love them. The old, German made Walthers were very nice, but the quality on Interarms or Smith and Wesson PPKs doesn't hold a candle to them. ETA: Damn keyboard. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:05:39 PM EST
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Try a Belgian Browning BDA .380 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/BrowningBDA380.jpg other than the open top slide that looks exactly like the beretta 84
Because it is a Beretta Cheetah, just relicensed. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:10:42 PM EST
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Quoted:
The PPK has the James Bond classic vibe but a stainless 230/232 with Nill grips is hands down the sexiest handgun ever: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg The SIG is an incredibly intuitive pointing gun. It holds and handles like nothing else out there. Were it only possible to make the exact same gun in full 9mm,it would be perfect. This I would choose one in .32 acp over anything S&W is putting out and that includes the marvelous Sigma pocket gun! 
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:14:05 PM EST
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Quoted: I don't think the sig comes in anything other than .380Quoted: The PPK has the James Bond classic vibe but a stainless 230/232 with Nill grips is hands down the sexiest handgun ever: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg The SIG is an incredibly intuitive pointing gun. It holds and handles like nothing else out there. Were it only possible to make the exact same gun in full 9mm,it would be perfect. This I would choose one in .32 acp over anything S&W is putting out and that includes the marvelous Sigma pocket gun! just out of curiousity though, why choose .32 over .380? I've heard someone else say that before too an I don't get it |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:24:31 PM EST
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What about a beretta 84 cheetah? I too like this .380 a lot. But the SIG may be the best of them. Unless you like James Bond movies... |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:32:09 PM EST
[#28]
My wife wanted a PPK/s because it was a cool gun and it fit her hands well. It went to the range twice; jammed on everything we fed it and then went back to S&W for the recall. During the following months while waiting for it to come back I bought her a Berretta PX4 SC. When we got it back, it jammed a little less but is just plain unpleasant to shoot. Now the PPK only goes to the range when I'm introducing new shooters to handguns.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:33:08 PM EST
[#29]
Quoted:
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I don't think the sig comes in anything other than .380
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The PPK has the James Bond classic vibe but a stainless 230/232 with Nill grips is hands down the sexiest handgun ever: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P232/P232Nill.jpg The SIG is an incredibly intuitive pointing gun. It holds and handles like nothing else out there. Were it only possible to make the exact same gun in full 9mm,it would be perfect. This I would choose one in .32 acp over anything S&W is putting out and that includes the marvelous Sigma pocket gun! just out of curiousity though, why choose .32 over .380? I've heard someone else say that before too an I don't get it I don't know if this is fact, I never cared to check. But someone told me 32acp has more penetration then 380. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:36:29 PM EST
[#30]
I have both. I quit carrying the PPK/S when I got the Aluminum framed Sig P232.
I think the PPK/S is a good pistol. I think the Aluminum frame P232 is a great carry pistol. FYI, my PPK/S is an Interarms import. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:38:21 PM EST
[#31]
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would $3-400 be a pretty good price to spend on either of them? I`d say yes. For one in good shape thats a below average price. Especially for the Sig. I would buy another P232 at $400 just to have a spare. The S&W PPK/S got some bad reviews when it came out & that may hold the price down on them. Some people loved the S&W version. Some did not. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:38:36 PM EST
[#32]
Also check out the P-64. Nice little pocket pistol in 9mm Mak.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:40:40 PM EST
[#33]
The Interarms ones were pretty well made, I had a couple of them and had no problems with them. Never cared much for the Sauer.
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:54:14 PM EST
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Try a Belgian Browning BDA .380 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/BrowningBDA380.jpg other than the open top slide that looks exactly like the beretta 84
It is (with a sealed slide rather than the open top). Having had a PPK, a Beretta 84, and a P232. The P232 is the best of the bunch for a flat, single stack .380. The trigger is better than the Walther, feels better in the hand (however, the PPK/s has a longer grip...might have changed things a bit over the PPK). The Beretta 84 (fat grip...but it doesn't feel as fat as the M9...it 'fills the hand' better, and has 13 rounds) would be my favorite overall, but if you want more a pocket pistol go with the P232. AFARR |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:02:15 PM EST
[#35]
Forget the "cool factor"...the P232 is a better pistol.
The 232 is one of the few Sigs that are still made in Germany. The quality reflects it, too. "The Germans aways make good stuff." |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:06:50 PM EST
[#36]
I carried a PPK/s for a few years, currently own a PPK (both Interarms, I won't buy the S&W abortion) STIFF DA and tiny sights but I shoot it better than many full size guns. I'll never get rid of my PPK.
The 232 is much more practical for carry though IMO, less snaggy and not as ammo sensitive. Get a stainless one. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:09:23 PM EST
[#37]
Quoted: Forget the "cool factor"...the P232 is a better pistol. The 232 is one of the few Sigs that are still made in Germany. The quality reflects it, too. "The Germans aways make good stuff." this will definitely be a function over form issue, the ppk has been around for 75 somethin years so like the 1911 that was something I was considering too, is the whole pistol made there or just the frames, the one I'm looking at doesn't have the made in germany rollmarked on the frame is that a problem, maybe an older production? |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:12:55 PM EST
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Quoted:
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Forget the "cool factor"...the P232 is a better pistol. The 232 is one of the few Sigs that are still made in Germany. The quality reflects it, too. "The Germans aways make good stuff." this will definitely be a function over form issue, the ppk has been around for 75 somethin years so like the 1911 that was something I was considering too, is the whole pistol made there or just the frames, the one I'm looking at doesn't have the made in germany rollmarked on the frame is that a problem, maybe an older production? Unless they have changed recently, the whole pistol is German made. Very nicely made and practical pistols. Surprisingly accurate, too. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:19:03 PM EST
[#39]
If you want function over form,get a PPS. Lighter,bigger round and believe it or not less recoil. You'll get used to the mag release in no time. The down side is that it's ugly as a sack of hammered arseholes compared to the classics.
The only other thing I have to add about the SIG and PPK is that if you have a high hold,expect to get railroad tracks at least once. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:20:44 PM EST
[#40]
P232 by a mile!
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:23:09 PM EST
[#41]
I carry the mini-1911 and leave the other 2 in the safe:    |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:25:29 PM EST
[#42]
Quoted:
Sig all day Walthers even the old ones are rough, sharp, stiffly sprung turds that should not be carried off safe I have a Sig P230 which I really love, great size for CCW.. A friend had a PPk - the PPK had a sharp edge on the grip that was VERY uncomfortable, especially with a blowback pistol Brian |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:25:47 PM EST
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Try a Belgian Browning BDA .380 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/BrowningBDA380.jpg other than the open top slide that looks exactly like the beretta 84
Because it is a Beretta Cheetah, just relicensed. Yep. And they're both fantastic reliable .380's. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:27:47 PM EST
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While they are great guns, PPK's and PPKS's tear the shit out of the web of my hand. That is not the case with the P230 or P232.
As far as quality goes I think the Sigs are the best .380's on the market, and the accuracy is outstanding. I vote Sig P232 SL. JMO and YMMV. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:34:25 PM EST
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I hate the SIG mag release on the bottom on my 230. The mag release is actually pretty nice (and intuitive as well) when used in the context that a 232 will likely be used in. I wouldn't want that type of release on a full size combat pistol though. I do not like the inability to lock the slide back unless an empty mag locks it though. Just my .02 |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:44:59 PM EST
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"The Germans aways make good stuff." Two letters. RG. 
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:58:13 PM EST
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Neither.
Get a Colt 1908 in .380. Or a Browning Model 1910 in .380. 
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Posted: 11/18/2011 5:03:28 PM EST
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"The Germans aways make good stuff." Two letters. RG. Ouch, that'll leave a mark. 
My SIL has a Sig 232; accurate, very nice pistol but the heel magazine release... meh. I've owned both a Beretta 85F and 84F; both accurate and very pleasant to shoot, but you may as well buy the 84F and gain the extra magazine capacity because the 85F isn't a whole lot thinner or lighter. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 5:11:00 PM EST
[#49]
Quoted: "The Germans aways make good stuff." that sounds racist.  |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 5:11:12 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: "The Germans aways make good stuff." Two letters. RG.  |
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