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Posted: 10/9/2023 3:47:04 PM EST
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All bullpups suck. Do you really want your face resting next to the chamber when launching a round?
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Posted: 10/9/2023 4:32:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All bullpups suck. Do you really want your face resting next to the chamber when launching a round? How many bullpup breech kabooms are you aware of that have injured the user? Can AR breech kabooms injure the user? |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 5:45:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All bullpups suck. Do you really want your face resting next to the chamber when launching a round? Do you work at a gun store by chance? |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 6:18:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have the hellion. But the other two... They are both awesome rifles. Between the Tavor SAR and AUG, I would choose the Tavor. It's much more accurate, can be shot on both sides with no issue, suppresses better, mounts accessories better, can get a geissele trigger, and uses any AR magazines. But there's nothing wrong with having them all. @fargo007 Whats this? I'm reading that the tavor will beat itself to death and gas coming out of every crack if you suppress it. I'm specifically looking at snagging a X95. But the chatter about suppressing them and them already being overgassed and non adjustable has me second guessing it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 7:11:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @fargo007 Whats this? I'm reading that the tavor will beat itself to death and gas coming out of every crack if you suppress it. I'm specifically looking at snagging a X95. But the chatter about suppressing them and them already being overgassed and non adjustable has me second guessing it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't have the hellion. But the other two... They are both awesome rifles. Between the Tavor SAR and AUG, I would choose the Tavor. It's much more accurate, can be shot on both sides with no issue, suppresses better, mounts accessories better, can get a geissele trigger, and uses any AR magazines. But there's nothing wrong with having them all. @fargo007 Whats this? I'm reading that the tavor will beat itself to death and gas coming out of every crack if you suppress it. I'm specifically looking at snagging a X95. But the chatter about suppressing them and them already being overgassed and non adjustable has me second guessing it. The VHS is by far the best suppressor host of the three rifles. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 7:29:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The VHS is by far the best suppressor host of the three rifles. I can't get past the VHS's long LOP, stupid bolt release,and overall gawd awful appearance. It looks like the guy who designs tapco and promag accessories let his retarded kids design the hellion. I have the AUG and really like it. I have lots of IWI stuff and have been impressed. And I like that the updated the ergonomics of the tavor for the x95. I'll slam my dick in the car door before I buy the hellion. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 7:49:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't get past the VHS's long LOP, stupid bolt release,and overall gawd awful appearance. It looks like the guy who designs tapco and promag accessories let his retarded kids design the hellion. I have the AUG and really like it. I have lots of IWI stuff and have been impressed. And I like that the updated the ergonomics of the tavor for the x95. I'll slam my dick in the car door before I buy the hellion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The VHS is by far the best suppressor host of the three rifles. I can't get past the VHS's long LOP, stupid bolt release,and overall gawd awful appearance. It looks like the guy who designs tapco and promag accessories let his retarded kids design the hellion. I have the AUG and really like it. I have lots of IWI stuff and have been impressed. And I like that the updated the ergonomics of the tavor for the x95. I'll slam my dick in the car door before I buy the hellion. Oh dang see I think the VHS is the coolest looking of all three and the AUG is the ugly one. The VHS looks like a G36 and a Tavor had a baby, the spawn of two arguably handsome weapons. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 8:51:43 PM EST
[#8]
The more I shoot the AUG, the more I like it. Very reliable, very clean. Accuracy is as good as a AR. I won’t know how it shoots with a can till I get a gas plug. I’ve shot the Tavor, it was good but nothing special. The trigger was a little better but accuracy was not.
Yeah the trigger is a bit like a staple gun, but will see how it improves. The big thing is it’s shorter with a can than a 16” AR. That’s very hard to beat. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 9:38:44 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh dang see I think the VHS is the coolest looking of all three and the AUG is the ugly one. The VHS looks like a G36 and a Tavor had a baby, the spawn of two arguably handsome weapons. I agree. The VHS-2 has that dystopian future look I love in a bullpup. Looks like something out of Cyberpunk or the Expanse. The X95 looks like hammered dog crap compared to the original Tavor. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 9:47:00 PM EST
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If you guys thought you would keep getting away with your bulpuppin because Israel was attacked, I will have you know I have seen more ARs than Tavors in videos.
Please begin to like NORMAL guns |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 9:54:44 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you guys thought you would keep getting away with your bulpuppin because Israel was attacked, I will have you know I have seen more ARs than Tavors in videos. Please begin to like NORMAL guns I might have to bring my x95 and sbr ps90 to east for you 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 9:12:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @fargo007 Whats this? I'm reading that the tavor will beat itself to death and gas coming out of every crack if you suppress it. I'm specifically looking at snagging a X95. But the chatter about suppressing them and them already being overgassed and non adjustable has me second guessing it. Get the SAR. That's what I'm talking about. The X95 isn't accurate enough by far. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 9:37:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the SAR. That's what I'm talking about. The X95 isn't accurate enough by far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @fargo007 Whats this? I'm reading that the tavor will beat itself to death and gas coming out of every crack if you suppress it. I'm specifically looking at snagging a X95. But the chatter about suppressing them and them already being overgassed and non adjustable has me second guessing it. Get the SAR. That's what I'm talking about. The X95 isn't accurate enough by far. I can't speak for earlier X95's, but with a 3x magnifier both of mine will do 1.5" 5-shot groups at 100yds w/PMC X-Tac M193. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 9:50:36 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The AUG is the most vetted and respected but as of late they’ve had a LOT of QC issues. Plus they’re more difficult to mount basic accessories like lights. The X95 mimics the AR we all know and love controls-wise, plus it’s got a strong pedigree of killing certain undesirable characters that we can also appreciate, especially in light of recent events. But the accuracy is weak compared to the other two, and IWI does not sell spare parts. Objectively speaking, the VHS might be the best one, but the Springfield name hurts its street cred, and the stock is a bit long if you’re under 6ft. It looks cool as hell, and is the most accurate of the three. If you’d asked me to pick last year, I’d have gone Steyr. Last week? Springfield. Today? I’ll take the Islamic attitude adjuster from Israel please. No argument there. Compared to an AR, the accuracy isn't as good. What? Since when? https://iwi.us/product-category/tavor-x95/x95-spare-parts/ |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:13:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No argument there. Compared to an AR, the accuracy isn't as good. What? Since when? https://iwi.us/product-category/tavor-x95/x95-spare-parts/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The AUG is the most vetted and respected but as of late they’ve had a LOT of QC issues. Plus they’re more difficult to mount basic accessories like lights. The X95 mimics the AR we all know and love controls-wise, plus it’s got a strong pedigree of killing certain undesirable characters that we can also appreciate, especially in light of recent events. But the accuracy is weak compared to the other two, and IWI does not sell spare parts. Objectively speaking, the VHS might be the best one, but the Springfield name hurts its street cred, and the stock is a bit long if you’re under 6ft. It looks cool as hell, and is the most accurate of the three. If you’d asked me to pick last year, I’d have gone Steyr. Last week? Springfield. Today? I’ll take the Islamic attitude adjuster from Israel please. No argument there. Compared to an AR, the accuracy isn't as good. What? Since when? https://iwi.us/product-category/tavor-x95/x95-spare-parts/ The most critical components are out of stock and have been for nearly 2 years with no ETA by IWI |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:22:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most critical components are out of stock and have been for nearly 2 years with no ETA by IWI Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AUG is the most vetted and respected but as of late they’ve had a LOT of QC issues. Plus they’re more difficult to mount basic accessories like lights. The X95 mimics the AR we all know and love controls-wise, plus it’s got a strong pedigree of killing certain undesirable characters that we can also appreciate, especially in light of recent events. But the accuracy is weak compared to the other two, and IWI does not sell spare parts. Objectively speaking, the VHS might be the best one, but the Springfield name hurts its street cred, and the stock is a bit long if you’re under 6ft. It looks cool as hell, and is the most accurate of the three. If you’d asked me to pick last year, I’d have gone Steyr. Last week? Springfield. Today? I’ll take the Islamic attitude adjuster from Israel please. No argument there. Compared to an AR, the accuracy isn't as good. What? Since when? https://iwi.us/product-category/tavor-x95/x95-spare-parts/ The most critical components are out of stock and have been for nearly 2 years with no ETA by IWI Sad, but true. 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:30:15 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you guys thought you would keep getting away with your bulpuppin because Israel was attacked, I will have you know I have seen more ARs than Tavors in videos. Please begin to like NORMAL guns 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:16:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the SAR. That's what I'm talking about. The X95 isn't accurate enough by far. I shot a SAR back around 2016. Wasn't overly thrilled with the ergonomics and wiped it off my "want" list. Only reason I'm looking at a tavor now is because the X95 changes. Also, I already have the real IWI SAR. Its made of steel and doesn't give a rats ass if you suppress it.  
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:18:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I shot a SAR back around 2016. Wasn't overly thrilled with the ergonomics and wiped it off my "want" list. Only reason I'm looking at a tavor now is because the X95 changes. Also, I already have the real IWI SAR. Its made of steel and doesn't give a rats ass if you suppress it. https://iili.io/J3zxfjt.png Hell yeah 
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Posted: 10/11/2023 6:44:35 PM EST
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I just f'ent on the 18" ODG X95. The bayonet lug is what pushed me over the edge. Nothing says #yolo like a bullpup with a bayonet lug.
And I got a box full of ODG PMAGs I haven't opened. Now I'll have a reason to crack into them. And I think I found what may be the last of the Geissele triggers on the internet and snagged it. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 7:50:37 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just f'ent on the 18" ODG X95. The bayonet lug is what pushed me over the edge. Nothing says #yolo like a bullpup with a bayonet lug. And I got a box full of ODG PMAGs I haven't opened. Now I'll have a reason to crack into them. And I think I found what may be the last of the Geissele triggers on the internet and snagged it. We expect a range report soonest!  Definitely at the bullpup forum if not here.  ETA: Since you have the 18" version, you can use the IDF thin buttplate if you want w/o having to do a P&W on your muzzle device. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 7:54:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA: Since you have the 18" version, you can use the IDF thin buttplate if you want w/o having to do a P&W on your muzzle device. I happen to already have a couple of those. Sometimes I buy accessories for guns I don't own yet. The butt plates have been sitting here in the wrapper for months while I was on the fence about the tavor.
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Posted: 10/13/2023 6:11:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Octopi is not grammatically correct, and as a result I reject everything in that graphic. The plural of octopus is octopodes. Octopuses is also acceptable. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes |
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