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Quoted: I would suppose this is normal for quite a bit of Europe. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/03/10/63048433-11274353-image-a-14_1664789830178.jpg View Quote If it's wooded conditions similar to that picture... 5.56. Doesn't look like much brush or low level branches and the 5.56 is going to have better penetration through the trees. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There are anecdotal stories of 6.5x55 FMJ penetrating through trees better than 30-06 AP. Yes. Since some penetration properties on trees are related to SD and 6.5x55 is greater than 30-06. |
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Quoted: Yes. Since some penetration properties on trees are related to SD and 6.5x55 is greater than 30-06. View Quote |
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Bullet construction is more important than which round you use. AP anything will go through most trees you're likely to encounter.
84mm HE is still the best choice though. |
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Quoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. View Quote I don't think you are necessarily looking to shoot through trees. To some extent yes but what you want is a lot of mass to maintain momentum after they hit and enough energy to keep trucking while not fragging the projectile immediately upon impact with a tree. I'd actually think something like a shotgun slug would just keep bouncing off trees for a bit. To that end ak may have an edge over nato rounds but then accurately hitting your target and not a tree probably gives the advantage to nato. |
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The gun you have training and ammo for.
Small detail that most of GD fails on. |
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Quoted: Given two bullets are made of the same metal it's all crosssectional density and velocity. Basically the longer the bullet is the more it's going to penetrate. X39 is both not as long as 5.45 and slower therefore less penetration. View Quote I don't think it's that simple. Hatcher reported on tests of 30-06 ball on oak. At about 16' it penetrated about 16", but at 200 yards it penetrated 40" (IIRC). At the shorter distance it had a curve path, not so at 200. I think yaw plays into it, but also too much velocity might reduce penetration. |
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.308 didn't make it, x39,5.45,5.56 did.
Rifle Penetration Test Rifle Penetration Test: Is A Tree Cover Or Concealment? 7.62x39, 223, 7.62x54r, 12ga, etc...(HD) x39 penetrated 1 out of 3, 54r penetrated 3 out of 3. 5.56 and 5.45 didn't penetrate. |
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We've penetrated 16" green spruce with 230 grain 300rum, when 285 grain barnes in 375H&H wouldn't...
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anything you can lob over the top of the trees or detonate beside them and get the guys hiding behind them...
Quad copters dropping grenades could work... |
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Quoted: No no, that's much too heavy for the elite commandos on here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. No no, that's much too heavy for the elite commandos on here. Well, we've all heard the story of Paul Bunyon and his trusty 5.7x28. |
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One you can hit things with.
Heavier calibers like 7.62 will penetrate some cover, but a rifle you can shoot well trumps anything else in my book. |
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7.62x51 belted or similiar weapon.
We use to take down trees with the M60. Focused fire and the weapons are essentially chainsaws. |
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