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Posted: 7/12/2020 7:38:06 PM EDT
As we all know, Hitler had his eye on the UK for a list of very obvious reasons. He never invaded, though. Why not?
Was it because: 1. He felt his troop transports would have been sunk by the Allied navy. 2. He felt his troops would have been shot to shit from the air during the beach landings. 3. He felt his troops would have been shot to shit by shore batteries during the beach landings. 4. He felt he would have made it ashore only to be slaughtered by every man, woman, and child Brit. 5. He did not have the men and equipment to spare for the operation. Discuss. |
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Germany never had a navy that could compete head-on with Britain even back in 1940. Even if they tried, a zerg rush invasion of Britain would've caused untold amounts of casualties too much even for nazis to stomach.
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He didn't have Arfcom advising him.
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"We know how hard it is to cross the Channel. The last little corporal who tried it came a cropper!"
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Focussing on London over airfield allowed the RAF to rebuild and prevent german air superiority. Which is needed for any success on a mass amphibious invasion.
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Operation Seelowe (Seal Lion) was not launched because the Germans failed to win the Battle of Britain. Without control of the sky over the channel the invasion was doomed to fail.
Won't let me write it n German... |
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Couldn't establish air superiority over the AO.
No air, your fleet (what there is of it) is a sitting duck before you ever leave port |
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Quoted: Germany never had a navy that could compete head-on with Britain even back in 1940. Even if they tried, a zerg rush invasion of Britain would've caused untold amounts of casualties too much even for nazis to stomach. View Quote 2nd World War |
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Quoted: I took a picture of the reason just on Saturday https://i.postimg.cc/c0b3hrgv/2-BD7-DB4-F-371-E-4-B38-A880-FA4429249-FC7.jpg View Quote Thank God I could make out those elliptical wings |
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Stupidity, the Royal navy was never going into the channel, they would have gotten slaughtered by the Luftwaffe.
Hitler never had any serious intent to invade Britain. |
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He wasted his resources by attacking the Soviet Union... If they would have place their efforts to controlling the air space above the channel and focused the resources to crossing the channel, there would be no UK.
EDIT: Germany and the Soviet Union had already signed a treaty. Hitler stupidly thought, that the treaty would place them in a weaker position... Hitler failed to see the ruthlessness' of the Russian political/military leaders. |
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Overextended in Russia, never should have invaded Russia until after defeating England.
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RAF+Royal Navy meant they couldn't control the channel long enough to get an invasion force across.
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Quoted: Germany never had a navy that could compete head-on with Britain even back in 1940. Even if they tried, a zerg rush invasion of Britain would've caused untold amounts of casualties too much even for nazis to stomach. View Quote If you count the Scharnhorst & Gneisenau as BB's and the Deustchland, Graf Spee & Scheer as heavy cruisers, Germany floated 4 BB's, 5 heavy cruisers and 6 light cruisers (and one of those heavy cruisers, the Blucher was sunk in 4/40) Add to that the Kriegsmarine command staff sucked. The Royal Navy started WW2 with 7 aircraft carriers (with 5 more under construction), 15 battleships and battlecruisers (with 5 more under construction) and 66 cruisers (with 23 more under construction) The only hope the Germans had was to completely dominate the Channel through air power and be able to hold that for a significant period of time. How close they came before Goering switched to terror bombing is debatable, but it was the only chance they had. |
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Quoted: Germany never had a navy that could compete head-on with Britain even back in 1940. Even if they tried, a zerg rush invasion of Britain would've caused untold amounts of casualties too much even for nazis to stomach. View Quote |
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The Nazis were ambivalent about the Britons, and in a sense regarded them as members of the Master Race.
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Quoted: If you count the Scharnhorst & Gneisenau as BB's and the Deustchland, Graf Spee & Scheer as heavy cruisers, Germany floated 4 BB's, 5 heavy cruisers and 6 light cruisers (and one of those heavy cruisers, the Blucher was sunk in 4/40) Add to that the Kriegsmarine command staff sucked. The Royal Navy started WW2 with 7 aircraft carriers (with 5 more under construction), 15 battleships and battlecruisers (with 5 more under construction) and 66 cruisers (with 23 more under construction) The only hope the Germans had was to completely dominate the Channel through air power and be able to hold that for a significant period of time. How close they came before Goering switched to terror bombing is debatable, but it was the only chance they had. View Quote Great information |
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Operation Sea Lion was doomed when he left it up to that flamboyant moron, Goering, to run the Luftwaffe.
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Failure to achieve air superiority, required due to tremendous naval disadvantages
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pretty sure thy lost nearly all of their destroyer force in Norway... they just couldn't hope to protect any invasion transport force... there's no doubt in my mind the Royal Navy would suicide if they had to to sink a German invasion force with dominant air cover..
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Quoted: Quoted: RAF+Royal Navy meant they couldn't control the channel long enough to get an invasion force across. Disagree with that Same. The distance is pretty short, they could’ve gotten an invasion force across. They’d have been on their own after that though, as there’s no way Germany could’ve kept them supplied. |
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Quoted: I recommend you read up on some of the naval battles. The German Navy was quite competent and for as small as it was held their own well enough. View Quote The Kriegsmarine effectively lost almost all of their destroyers in Norway. Hitler lost confidence and pretty much threatened to scrap the capital surface ships and use the guns for shore batteries. |
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Quoted: Same. The distance is pretty short, they could’ve gotten an invasion force across. They’d have been on their own after that though, as there’s no way Germany could’ve kept them supplied. View Quote The Wermacht was so far advanced tactically in 1940 that they would have won if Germany was committed to victory. Yes, casualties would have been high |
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Conquering the UK didn't solve any of Germany's economic issues, the focus was on exploiting France, the Low Countries, Poland and other conquests to prop up the German economy.
A lack of critical war material. A lack of Industrialization to produce needed invasion equipment A lack of manpower to fully hold the island, even if taken. Lack of Air power to fully contest the channel post Battle of Britain An inadequate Navy to hold lines of supply against UK naval raiders if conquest was successful, as the Navy was sure to be hurt after a successful invasion The UKs power was in its empire, not all in the island itself. The Germans had great difficulties in the Norway campaign, it shattered any belief that the UK was feasible. |
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Quoted: Thank God I could make out those elliptical wings View Quote Yeah, we’ll only had my phone on me wasn’t expecting them. It’s not something you see every day around these parts. Oh also this would have made the germans a bit toasty, don’t forget the ‘Petroleum Warfare Department ‘ and the ‘ burning seas’ plans All kinds of crazy ideas. I’m sure there was some top secret pipeline out to sea on one prime target for landing where they were going to pump fuel oil out and set fire to it. |
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