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Posted: 4/14/2023 3:05:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI can carry twice as much ammo for lil carbine for the same amount of weight. If that makes me pajama boy so be it. Every infantry engagement I’ve been in as been under 500 meters which is pretty consistent with most wars in the last 100 odd years. .30 Carbine ball complete loaded round weighs 12.6g .30 M2 ball round weighs 26.10g |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 3:08:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem hurt others have a differing opinion than you. I don't seem anything. It's just my observations of the echo chamber and bandwagon here in GD. I could give two shits less what people want to carry, to be honest. Feel free to attempt to mock me further if you like, I also don't care what your opinion is of me. Have an awesome day! |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 3:09:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2023 3:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A snub nose was not an option in the poll!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd just carry my Johnson A snub nose was not an option in the poll!  
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Posted: 4/14/2023 3:31:28 PM EDT
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I have no idea what kind of jammies he wore, but a little fella named Audie Murphy from Texas wrote a book about his World War II experiences. He used all sorts of weapons but mentions carbines more often than anything else.
From his book, To Hell and Back: "Grasping the carbine in my left hand and a grenade in my right, I step suddenly from behind the rock. The Germans spot me instantly. The gunner spins the tip of his weapon toward me. But the barrel catches in a limb, and the burst whizzes to my right. I lob the grenade and grab the carbine trigger with one movement. Before the grenade has time to burst, two krauts fall with carbine slugs in their bellies. I quickly lob two more grenades into the position; four of the eight Germans are killed; three are put out of action by wounds. The eighth, a squat, fat man, tries to escape.....I squeeze the trigger. The helmet jumps. The man falls as if struck in the head with a club." |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 8:12:07 PM EDT
[#6]
Somehow the XM-5 is a terrible new addition to the Army, based on weight of the weapon and ammo, but the Garand is the answer in the olden times.
Personal weapons are personal weapons. The M1 carbine is plenty for killing 95lb IJA dudes. If not, the BAR and 1919 are there to punch palmetto logs. Or arty. Or mortars. Or air cover. Or naval gun fire. Etc |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 8:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Wife's Grandfather was a 1st Div Marine that fought on Guadalcanal. He was on the first landing. He was a machine gunner. He crewed a M1917A1. He told me they also carried a couple of M1903 Springfield rifles with them. And grenades, all the grenades they could hoard. He said during wave attacks they threw grenades while changing belts of ammo. He was a quiet man that served in hell. He did not talk about his service much and when he did, he didn't bull shit. My Grandfather on my Mother's side was a Navy SeaBee with the 6th Naval Construction Battalion who was also on Guadalcanal. He was an equipment operator. And was wounded at Henderson Field. He said they had Springfield rifles and a Reising that they got from the Marines. I'd bet that the Marine that traded away that Reising walked away smiling. |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:05:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no idea what kind of jammies he wore, but a little fella named Audie Murphy from Texas wrote a book about his World War II experiences. He used all sorts of weapons but mentions carbines more often than anything else. From his book, To Hell and Back: "Grasping the carbine in my left hand and a grenade in my right, I step suddenly from behind the rock. The Germans spot me instantly. The gunner spins the tip of his weapon toward me. But the barrel catches in a limb, and the burst whizzes to my right. I lob the grenade and grab the carbine trigger with one movement. Before the grenade has time to burst, two krauts fall with carbine slugs in their bellies. I quickly lob two more grenades into the position; four of the eight Germans are killed; three are put out of action by wounds. The eighth, a squat, fat man, tries to escape.....I squeeze the trigger. The helmet jumps. The man falls as if struck in the head with a club." RIGHT ON 
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:12:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Actually, fuck all your firearms, I'm going in with my trusty, tasty Ka-Bar!
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:19:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Whichever one I had unlimited access to ammo for
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:29:52 PM EDT
[#11]
60mm Mortar like E.B. Sledge
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Posted: 4/15/2023 12:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 60mm Mortar like E.B. Sledge His TO weapon as a mortar man was a carbine. |
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Posted: 4/15/2023 12:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His TO weapon as a mortar man was a carbine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 60mm Mortar like E.B. Sledge His TO weapon as a mortar man was a carbine. I think I saw the actor with a Thompson at one point IIRC, but I do remember him with a carbine. No telling how accurate that was. It has been awhile since I read "With The Old Breed". I let a former Marine borrow it, and he kept it. I guess someone once stole a book from him and he was just trying to get his stuff back. |
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Posted: 4/15/2023 1:47:06 PM EDT
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I love shooting the Garand and can load it fairly quickly. My biggest holdup with it would be followups, both sight picture related and recoil. I am fairly young and have good eyes, yet still struggle at dawn/dusk to quickly find and engage a target.
I finally took an M1 carbine hog hunting with ball ammo and had a "ball". It's handy to carry, decently accurate, easy enough to reload, and I can put more rounds down range accurately in a quicker time. Also, it put down hogs fine at 100-120yd so I'm sure it would do a decent job on humans. |
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Posted: 4/15/2023 3:38:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2023 3:49:10 PM EDT
[#16]
The one they told you to carry. But I voted Garand.
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:28:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought this book from CMP: US Infantry Weapons in Combat: Personal Experiences from World War II Most of the people had nothing positive to say about the Carbine. thanks bought the book and enjoying it   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s up with all the .30 carbine love? Never shot one, but they do seem underpowered. Compared to Garand, the M1 carbine is underpowered. But at 200 yards, the .30 carbine has more power than an MP-40 has at the muzzle. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:59:01 AM EDT
[#19]
There is another thread with BAR love. Arfcom is weird.
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:08:04 AM EDT
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Kind of a moot point I'd say, you'd carry what you were issued based on your rank and job classification What you want doesn't even enter into it.
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:47:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of a moot point I'd say, you'd carry what you were issued based on your rank and job classification What you want doesn't even enter into it. Multiple books and personal conversations with veterans support the fact that Marines often used other than their T/O weapon. I am not saying that everyone had a choice all the time, far from it. But there was definitely flexibility. Still goes on today. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 6:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Multiple books and personal conversations with veterans support the fact that Marines often used other than their T/O weapon. I am not saying that everyone had a choice all the time, far from it. But there was definitely flexibility. Still goes on today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kind of a moot point I'd say, you'd carry what you were issued based on your rank and job classification What you want doesn't even enter into it. Multiple books and personal conversations with veterans support the fact that Marines often used other than their T/O weapon. I am not saying that everyone had a choice all the time, far from it. But there was definitely flexibility. Still goes on today. There is a lot less flexibility these days. CentCOM GO1 is pretty much the standard for all Combatant Commanders now. And know a couple of O5 and 1 E9 who have been relieved of duty for being caught with personally owned handguns and ammunition in a combat zone. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having been a Marine infantryman in the 1970's I have some idea what I would prefer. Give me a Stinger. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgecTgbz3ik&feature=youtu.be) 1400 rounds a minute??? That's 23 rounds per second, not doable at that time. I will believe 140 rpm, 2.3 rps . Yeah, I'D carry that, even though it'd take three men and a boy just to lug the ammo, let alone the weapon! |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:44:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the choices, M1 Carbine. Of the weapons issued, the M1941 Johnson. And NEVER surrender that weapon! "Don't touch my Johnson!" |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:54:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. 
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. Woody was a hell of a man, I’m glad he made it to see the commissioning of his name sake the ESB4  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:09:22 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am VERY partial to the M1 Garand, but I picked the Thompson for the Pacific. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:24:22 PM EDT
[#29]
same thing I carried in VN
1911 and M1 Carbine |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 2:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. https://img.betaseries.com/TVNCFskfiBLYCRR3SrEljzpogdM=/380x191/smart/https%3A%2F%2Fpictures.betaseries.com%2Fbanners%2Fepisodes%2F209361%2F3515951.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. https://img.betaseries.com/TVNCFskfiBLYCRR3SrEljzpogdM=/380x191/smart/https%3A%2F%2Fpictures.betaseries.com%2Fbanners%2Fepisodes%2F209361%2F3515951.jpg Will: It’s 70 lbs. Woody Williams: “I don’t care if it’s 70 lbs, I want to work it!”  Sons of Guns - Flamethrower Hero |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 4:17:34 PM EDT
[#31]
an/m2 stinger
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Posted: 4/29/2023 4:22:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will: It’s 70 lbs. Woody Williams: “I don’t care if it’s 70 lbs, I want to work it!”  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4NvMyjZrLAQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. https://img.betaseries.com/TVNCFskfiBLYCRR3SrEljzpogdM=/380x191/smart/https%3A%2F%2Fpictures.betaseries.com%2Fbanners%2Fepisodes%2F209361%2F3515951.jpg Will: It’s 70 lbs. Woody Williams: “I don’t care if it’s 70 lbs, I want to work it!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4NvMyjZrLAWhat a badass. He even rolled the flame into the aperture instead of aiming directly at it.
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Posted: 4/29/2023 4:36:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote History*Laughs in Audie Murphy* Carbine for me, or a shotgun provided ammo isn't an issue. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 4:54:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Garand was good enough for my grandfather (the Marine looking at the camera) it would have been good enough for me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/76238/D984D898-C710-4D93-9DF8-2649ABB01756_png-2781152.JPG What cart are they pulling? Was he in a commo section |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What cart are they pulling? Was he in a commo section Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the Garand was good enough for my grandfather (the Marine looking at the camera) it would have been good enough for me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/76238/D984D898-C710-4D93-9DF8-2649ABB01756_png-2781152.JPG What cart are they pulling? Was he in a commo section M1942 Marine Corps cart quite likely. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:06:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compared to Garand, the M1 carbine is underpowered. But at 200 yards, the .30 carbine has more power than an MP-40 has at the muzzle. To be fair, isn't the mp40 considered to max out at 100 yards? I'd go carbine as well. 2 mags strapped to the stock, as many as I could carry on the belt and pockets along with lots of grenades. When the banzai attack comes, you will be shooting in the dark at short range. That's where the 20 round mags shine. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:10:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1400 rounds a minute??? That's 23 rounds per second, not doable at that time. I will believe 140 rpm, 2.3 rps . Yeah, I'D carry that, even though it'd take three men and a boy just to lug the ammo, let alone the weapon! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Having been a Marine infantryman in the 1970's I have some idea what I would prefer. Give me a Stinger. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgecTgbz3ik&feature=youtu.be) 1400 rounds a minute??? That's 23 rounds per second, not doable at that time. I will believe 140 rpm, 2.3 rps . Yeah, I'D carry that, even though it'd take three men and a boy just to lug the ammo, let alone the weapon! 1400 is correct. IIRC it was 600 or so RPM standard so they lightened the bolt and made other changes to double the rate of fire. mg 42 was 1200. The army liked lower rates of fire to preserve the barrels, ammo and heat management. The guys in the pacific didn't give a shit about any of that other than rate of fire. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:12:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Garand for me.
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:22:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Thompson
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Posted: 4/29/2023 5:32:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1400 rounds a minute??? That's 23 rounds per second, not doable at that time. I will believe 140 rpm, 2.3 rps . Yeah, I'D carry that, even though it'd take three men and a boy just to lug the ammo, let alone the weapon! Yes it was. AN/M2 .30 cal had a cyclic rate of fire of around 1000 to 1350 rpm (other sources say up to 1500): https://www.liberatorcrew.com/15_Gunnery/02_30cal.htm |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:07:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Woody was a hell of a man, I’m glad he made it to see the commissioning of his name sake the ESB4 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/IMG_2941_jpeg-2800176.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/60528926592__EFD52516-24B8-4F32-B197-EA2-2800186.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. Woody was a hell of a man, I’m glad he made it to see the commissioning of his name sake the ESB4 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/IMG_2941_jpeg-2800176.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/60528926592__EFD52516-24B8-4F32-B197-EA2-2800186.JPG Is that Sen. Joe Manchin huddled over like a bitch while the old lady on the right seems to be just fine? |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:13:53 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that Sen. Joe Manchin huddled over like a bitch while the old lady on the right seems to be just fine? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flamethrower. I'd probably die regardless, but I haven't shot a flamethrower and I want to do so at least once before I die... I have read that their life expectancy was four minutes in the Pacific. All special weapons were subject to special attention from snipers. I'm guessing that radiomen got some extra lovin'; the ability to call down incandescent retribution deserves the attention. The only really interesting episode of that Red Jacket Firearms show was the one where they built up a bunker and had that old WWII USMC Medal of Honor winner come out and hose the bunker. I get a smile on my face every time I think of it. That old man could still do some work. Woody was a hell of a man, I’m glad he made it to see the commissioning of his name sake the ESB4 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/IMG_2941_jpeg-2800176.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/60528926592__EFD52516-24B8-4F32-B197-EA2-2800186.JPG Is that Sen. Joe Manchin huddled over like a bitch while the old lady on the right seems to be just fine? Yes |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:19:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Johnson or a Thompson
Or a late war M3 Carbine |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:23:13 PM EDT
[#44]
What’s the holdover, on a Thompson with 230g FMJ ammo at 200 yards?
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:53:15 PM EDT
[#45]
A big Johnson
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:03:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: What weapon would you carry in the Pacific as an infantry US Marine in WWII if you were able to choose? |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:21:37 PM EDT
[#47]
M1 carbine and a 1911 and as many magazines and grenades as I could possibly carry… because 100° heat, malaria and starving yet still quick and motivated japs
A Thompson would be the first auto I would buy today but only for nostalgia |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:27:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s up with all the .30 carbine love? Never shot one, but they do seem underpowered. The Japanese were small and half starved. 15-rounds instead of 8. Lighter weight. More compact. Disease and heat casualties were as dangerous as the Japanese. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:28:19 PM EDT
[#49]
BAR
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:34:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad carried a M-1 Carbine in Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian, and Okinawa. He carried 6 magazines + the one in the weapon. Made it all the way pretty much without a scratch. He used it the most during the Banzai charges on Saipan. He was with the 4th Battalion/ 10th Marines. 2nd Marine Division. That would be my choice. He later on carried a 1911 on Tinian, Okinawa and with the occupation forces in Nagasaki right after they dropped the A- bomb there. Even though he carried it he was very cautious with it. He said he saw more ND's with the 1911 than any other weapon. |
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