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Heard there's at least 10 or 11 provinces inside China right now that want to break away as well. We're only hearing about HK right now, everything else is being heavily suppressed in China. China has its hands full.. View Quote |
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When the world get tired of paying attention and they are sure they have complete control of communication during the event. Then it'll happen quietly and quickly and there won't be enough blood and drama for the news networks to feed on.
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That’s CCP propaganda, HK is WAY more important than they want to admit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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From what I've been watching I'm not so sure that's the case. Hong Kong's importance is way down w/ the other special economic zone cities like Shenzhen they've created. The yuan is manipulated to hell in currency markets and it's still a turd. China's currency is a lie, their GDP is a lie, their growth is a lie. When those lies come tumbling down, as they're already starting to, the HK $ will be an enormously important storehouse of value for them. They're not gonna destroy it, but they're not gonna let it go, either. The numbers I read were that HK was 25% of China's GDP in 1999, but now is only 3%. When China's stock market, real estate market, and currency all blow up, we'll see that HK is worth way more than that 3% bullshit they're saying right now. |
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Rents in Shenzhen have been going down for awhile. Cracking down in HK pretty much kills any incrementalist victories they have in Southeast Asia or on Taiwan. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Shenzhen only exists because of Hong Kong. Take the westernizing legitimization HK provides, and Shenzhen collapses. Cracking down in HK pretty much kills any incrementalist victories they have in Southeast Asia or on Taiwan. |
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Heard there's at least 10 or 11 provinces inside China right now that want to break away as well. We're only hearing about HK right now, everything else is being heavily suppressed in China. China has its hands full.. View Quote China's economy is reliant on trade, and they can't feed their own people. That's a large part of why they're starting to make concessions to Trump - the Army worm and African swine fever are doing serious damage to their food supply, likely a lot more than they're admitting. Someone already noted that they fudge their economic numbers, just like the Soviet Union did. At a certain point, you can't hide the discrepancies anymore, and there are some signs that China is rapidly approaching that point. Just like in the Soviet Union, everybody is lying about how productive they're being, because NOT meeting production targets can be fatal. They've got a similar cultural resistance to saying anything negative to a superior that the Japanese do, but the Japanese have found a way around that - they hire some token Westerners, usually Americans, who are willing to tell them when an idea sucks. The Chinese don't have that. |
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. I would think lots of suppressed pistols and explosives/detonators would be the best. Allow you to blend in and then cause mayhem. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Pistol_FP-45_02.jpg/375px-Pistol_FP-45_02.jpg |
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Undercover cops, agents provocateur, just like the FBI does it.
The people of HK who are interested in freedom need to go big or go home. |
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Video at date link of clashes at University.
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Quoted: Incrementalism works both ways. Riots and protests are the new normal in HK...how much longer can the CCP keep this from the bulk of China, which they have to this point. But, if the protestors go all in Tet-style, what do to they get and what are they risking? View Quote |
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Quoted: Since we're revisiting history...maybe Trump will go all Berlin airlift... View Quote And, I'd make a bunch of Taiping Rebellion references. |
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If I was Trump, I'd kick out every kid from Shanghai and Beijing, and only allow CCP Princelings and HKers, and only let go to Christian universities. And, I'd make a bunch of Taiping Rebellion references. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Since we're revisiting history...maybe Trump will go all Berlin airlift... And, I'd make a bunch of Taiping Rebellion references. |
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Incrementalism works both ways. Riots and protests are the new normal in HK...how much longer can the CCP keep this from the bulk of China, which they have to this point. But, if the protestors go all in Tet-style, what do to they get and what are they risking? View Quote I see it as, the longer the protests drag on, the more people are inconvenienced, and the less sympathy they’ll have for this movement. The people of HK need to choose sides, and the only way they’ll do that is with a full insurgency going on. |
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If I was Trump, I'd kick out every kid from Shanghai and Beijing, and only allow CCP Princelings and HKers, and only let go to Christian universities. And, I'd make a bunch of Taiping Rebellion references. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Since we're revisiting history...maybe Trump will go all Berlin airlift... And, I'd make a bunch of Taiping Rebellion references. |
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Video at date link of clashes at University.
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Video at date link of clashes at University.
View Quote Good luck and Godspeed to the freedom seekers in HK. You’ve already won. |
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The Confucius Institutes need to be looked at. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China |
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I wish the protestors the best. I have a coworker that considers HK home. He's a good dude.
Right now, I think the Chinese government is in a bind. After seeing the clips from their big military parade to celebrate the CCP's birthday, we definitely know hardliners are in charge. That stuff is straight out of the old Soviet playbook. Their instinct is going to be roll tanks through the streets/over the protestors until the protests/riots stop. With too much attention on HK from the world, they can't realistically do that without triggering a bigger crisis. Obviously, we've seen mainland military police forces start turning up. Now they're standing up that "special police force" that's intended for dealing with prison riots. They are ready to engage in heavy action. The hardliners are going to want examples made of the protestors, so I don't think they will quietly roll up leaders until the rest chill out. I suspect they will try to embed some false flag actors with the protestors to instigate escalation. Maybe a bomb/chem attack on innocents, driving a truck into the police/military lines, something that the CCP can point to as proof of escalation of violence. Something the world media can show endlessly as "the protestors have become terrorists!" At that point, the gloves will come off their "police" and they'll start high-profile mass detentions/arrests under the pretense of public safety. If the false flag is gruesome enough, maybe the protestors walk away to not be involved anymore, making the roll up easy. Or they push back hard, at which point tanks, APCs, and infantry start rolling into HK to "restore order". It's high stakes; if the state actor gets outed before carrying out their deed, then protests intensify and I think HK break-away becomes a possibility. If it comes out after, won't matter, no one will be listening at that point. I surmise they really hope media attention will go away, and the protestors will just fizzle without new provocations on the Chinese side. That just depends on a lot of things working out at the same time: distracting global event, Chinese "police" not getting jumpy, protestors not getting more aggressive. Someone always fucks something up though. |
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I doubt Taiwan will ever do that unless there is a complete loss of state control in Beijing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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True. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. |
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I agree, the Taiwanese I know are reticent to say much about it at all, other than when I directly question them and they all have told me they do not consider themselves as Chinese, strictly Taiwanese. I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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True. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. |
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It's high stakes; if the state actor gets outed before carrying out their deed, then protests intensify and I think HK break-away becomes a possibility. View Quote China still has the legal right to do whatever it wants as soon and the 50 year contract expires, they can make it go smoothly, or contentiously, but it's going to happen. |
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True. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. |
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As much as I really think that would be outstanding, I just don't see how it could ever come to pass. China has the right to absorb Hong Kong totally into their system of government in a couple decades. If they had only shown patience, they would have had the moral right to claim, hey, we followed the law and gave everyone the time to adjust to what we are now doing. China still has the legal right to do whatever it wants as soon and the 50 year contract expires, they can make it go smoothly, or contentiously, but it's going to happen. View Quote |
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True. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. If nothing else, she would be smart in having her family start to store some of their wealth here in the USA. If she was really really smart, she would suggest to her Brother-in-law to have their upcoming child born here. |
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Assuming they are around in 50 years without a significant challenge to their rule, which would make them among dynasties, especially if you view the CCP as an extension of the Qing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As much as I really think that would be outstanding, I just don't see how it could ever come to pass. China has the right to absorb Hong Kong totally into their system of government in a couple decades. If they had only shown patience, they would have had the moral right to claim, hey, we followed the law and gave everyone the time to adjust to what we are now doing. China still has the legal right to do whatever it wants as soon and the 50 year contract expires, they can make it go smoothly, or contentiously, but it's going to happen. |
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Well, they are halfway there already. That being said, I was going to mention something similar. As strong as they appear to be, they do have many internal and external challenges to face, most of those caused by themselves. View Quote The modern Chinese have never known want or privation. They don't build to last, and the lubrication of the entire system is bribes, kickbacks and extortion. I guess that works, as long as the rest of the world is footing the bill. |
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When, I really can't say but regardless the people are on borrowed time. Come 2047 any freedom loving Chinese still in Hong Kong will disappear off the face of the earth forever. No one will dare publicly speak about it either. Hiding mass graves is an art in China.
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Quoted: My and in-laws are from HK. MIL is very pro-CCP, and FIL the complete opposite. Wife thinks of herself as very practical and she disagrees with the protestors, mostly because they’re disrupting life for their fellow citizens. She’s of the thought that if you can make a living, then you’re ok. Sort of like here, where as long as Cable TV works, most people don’t really care about the abuses of government. I see it as, the longer the protests drag on, the more people are inconvenienced, and the less sympathy they’ll have for this movement. The people of HK need to choose sides, and the only way they’ll do that is with a full insurgency going on. View Quote |
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THIS If the Chinese had a big enough neutron bomb they could airburst over Hong Kong to wipe out everyone without destroying anything, I'm sure they'd use it. Hong Kong is full of those trash Cantonese speakers instead of proper Mandarin speakers anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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China’s biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there’s a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they’re hard to tell apart from the china. If the Chinese had a big enough neutron bomb they could airburst over Hong Kong to wipe out everyone without destroying anything, I'm sure they'd use it. Hong Kong is full of those trash Cantonese speakers instead of proper Mandarin speakers anyway. |
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Shut down the power and water for few days.....let the HKers to fight it out. Hong Kong doesn't produce its power, water, food or fuel.
Simple as that.....maybe still not enough for the average Afcommers.... |
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Hong Kong no more to stand with China. They needs independence.
DONALD TRUMP DON’T TRUST CHINA, CHINA IS ASSHOE! |
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True. Btw, now would be an excellent time for Taiwan to declare it's independence from China View Quote View Quote I think they just hope that China never pushes the issue and leaves them alone. View Quote View Quote If nothing else, she would be smart in having her family start to store some of their wealth here in the USA. If she was really really smart, she would suggest to her Brother-in-law to have their upcoming child born here. View Quote At this point, if China decides to force the issue, they hold off China long enough for the USN to arrive and China gets buttfucked. Or, the US decides not to intervene and Taiwan gets buttfucked. And there’s not much Taiwan can do about it except preemptively surrender. |
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