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Link Posted: 7/18/2017 8:52:50 PM EDT
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If you wanted to get laid you flew a Mustang.  If you wanted to sleep with the same chick twice you flew a P-47.
Link Posted: 7/18/2017 9:35:10 PM EDT
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A1 Skyraider
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 12:56:18 AM EDT
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The Germans actually pioneered the bubble, which was "borrowed" from the Japanese. The zero started the trend, the Germans improved and perfected it on the FW190 and we took it to a new level.
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The p51 had a revolutionary wing design and was ahead of its time with the bubble cockpit.


P51 everytime, but at least once with the F4U because they look cool and baa baa blacksheep.
The Germans actually pioneered the bubble, which was "borrowed" from the Japanese. The zero started the trend, the Germans improved and perfected it on the FW190 and we took it to a new level.
That would depend on what you're calling a bubble.. the Zero's canopy was more of a greenhouse. The style was experimented with even in WWI though.

If you're going with a "true" bubble (i.e. no bracing aside from the edges) I don't even know what would be the earliest. Wellesley maybe?
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 12:58:57 AM EDT
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The Jug
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 11:25:49 AM EDT
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That would depend on what you're calling a bubble.. the Zero's canopy was more of a greenhouse. The style was experimented with even in WWI though.

If you're going with a "true" bubble (i.e. no bracing aside from the edges) I don't even know what would be the earliest. Wellesley maybe?
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True, I would still probably go with the P-51's it was a true formed piece, your correct, but I wasn't referring to the Zeros as a bubble, I should have been more clear. The thought process started with the design of the Zeros, the Zeros, was well thought out, with how the pilot sat, the layout, etc. apparently the zero had a few firsts? Kurt Tank was impressed by the visibility of the pilot in the Zero, but he didn't like the frame work (green house). He sought to improve it, which was what he put on his 190 series,  the British didn't like the Mustangs canopy so they improved it with the P-51C which was the Malcom hood or bubble, which was inspired by Kurt Tanks design on the FW190, North American took it further with the famous hood we see on the D series.
ETA, if you look at the Wellesley you can see the pilots seat then compared to the Zero, then the FW190, P51/P47, it sort of shows how the layout was, the process for manufacturing the Malcom Hood, as well as the P51/P47 was the exact same as the Wellesley though, they did get that from it. The ME262 also had a bubble, but it was traditional Messerschmitt being that it was hinged.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 12:12:29 PM EDT
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F4U, especially the -1C with quad 20mm cannon, or P-47. Both heavy, durable energy fighters with a ton of firepower.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 12:18:18 PM EDT
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America's top ace, Richard Bong, flew a P-38.  I'll go with his choice.
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Link Posted: 7/19/2017 12:21:49 PM EDT
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America's top ace, Richard Bong, flew a P-38.  I'll go with his choice.
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Yep !
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:17:44 PM EDT
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I chose the P-38 but would prefer the Spitfire, as it was more maneuverable and was effective.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:30:21 PM EDT
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If I'm trying to kill enemy I'll take the P-51.
If I'm trying to kill them from a boat then F4U.
If I'm just trying to survive then the P-47.
If I'm applying to the airlines later then the P38.
If I hate my life then I'll take the P-40.
The only cat I've got love for was the Bearcat.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:48:04 PM EDT
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Which US fighter would you personally chose to fly if you were to go back in time to WW2 and fight Axis aircraft? Assume you will be given various types of missions (escort, intercept, ground attack...), different theaters and different altitudes. You will be deployed for over a year and maintenance must be completed in the field. Which of these fighters would you chose to fight and get you back alive? You can choose whichever generation you prefer.

P-38 Lightning
P-40 Warhawk
P-47 Thunderbolt
P-51 Mustang
F6F Hellcat
F4U Corsair
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If I'm going back in time, I might as well be flying an F-16 Fighting Falcon with Sidewinders.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:49:14 PM EDT
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To this day, THE BIGGEST FACTOR in air-to-air (non-missile) combat is...












stick time.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:51:39 PM EDT
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Uhhhh.... there were dozens of jets killed by piston aircraft in WWII years before the MiG-15 ever flew
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The only piston engined plane to shoot down a MiG jet.
Developed during WW2 so it counts. Its not it's fault if the war ended early.



http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/3/7/0306737.jpg?v=v40
Um, not even close dude.  Maj. Jesse Fulmar downed a Mig-15 in his Corsair.  He nailed it with his 20mm Cannon flying off the USS Bataan, a light carrier.  His was the first ever jet kill by a piston engined fighter.
Uhhhh.... there were dozens of jets killed by piston aircraft in WWII years before the MiG-15 ever flew
The sub-subject here is a piston engine plane against a MiG.
Not just any jet. A MiG.

And I stand corrected with the Corsair v MiG in Korea.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 2:58:11 PM EDT
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Mustang or Thunderbolt, the P-38 is out as it's heater wasn't very effiecent, and the Allison was sometimes hard to get parts for in the european theater. Hellcats real claim to fame was ruggedness, I know it had a high kill ratio but let's put that in context, what were they flying against, it was later in the war, and we had a overwhelming number of them. P-40 was just plain obsolete, and the corsair was a great plane, but it had some nasty manners that hold it back, except for the most seasoned of pilots.
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What if you used a Rolls Royce Merlin 60?
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 3:00:50 PM EDT
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P-51.

Come back, hop in the P-47 and go after some trains and supply convoys.

Then lunchtime.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 3:13:51 PM EDT
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I chose the Hellcat.

It was a big improvement over the F4F Wildcat, which really caught the Japanese by surprise, as they didn't know about it beforehand and the lines/shape of the F6F looked very similar to the F4F.

I believe the F6F Hellcat is credited with the most kills of WWII, which says something about it.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 6:32:05 PM EDT
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Didn't the Corsairs do a ground attack role too?
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 6:40:16 PM EDT
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Didn't the Corsairs do a ground attack role too?
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Corsairs could do it all, even from a carrier, hence the best all around fighter of the war.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 6:49:36 PM EDT
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Corsairs could do it all, even from a carrier, hence the best all around fighter of the war.
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Didn't the Corsairs do a ground attack role too?
Corsairs could do it all, even from a carrier, hence the best all around fighter of the war.
I agree, but all of these losers are talking about shooting up trains with "Jug this, and Jug that."

I was just recalling the sight of bombs and rockets hung underneath Whislting Death.

Thanks for the back up. You can be my wingman.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 7:04:52 PM EDT
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Have you heard the story about the already crippled P-51 that was separated from his squadron, came under attack from a high scoring German ace in a Bf-109, survived the attack because the German ran out of ammo after pumping everything he had into the American's aircraft, and then the American safely limped back across the channel to England?

No. You haven't heard that story because the American was flying a P-47 Thunderbolt, his name was Robert Johnson, and he went on to kill 28 German aircraft.

The P-51 is among the most beautiful aircraft ever flown, but if my ass was going into harm's way, I'd choose the P-47 first.
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P-51 had range.  It also had a drag bucket which appears on a graph of angle of attack vs drag force.  When the angle of attack was low drag dropped substantially due to it's wing design and the P-51 developed some serious speed.   Over Europe, the P-51 reigned supreme.  Especially once the army airforce figured out that dog fighting was a waste of fucking time.  The true value of the P-51 was in killing German pilots and aircraft on the ground.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 7:07:53 PM EDT
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Mustang
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 7:28:55 PM EDT
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The sub-subject here is a piston engine plane against a MiG.
Not just any jet. A MiG.

And I stand corrected with the Corsair v MiG in Korea.
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The only piston engined plane to shoot down a MiG jet.
Developed during WW2 so it counts. Its not it's fault if the war ended early.



http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/3/7/0306737.jpg?v=v40
Um, not even close dude.  Maj. Jesse Fulmar downed a Mig-15 in his Corsair.  He nailed it with his 20mm Cannon flying off the USS Bataan, a light carrier.  His was the first ever jet kill by a piston engined fighter.
Uhhhh.... there were dozens of jets killed by piston aircraft in WWII years before the MiG-15 ever flew
The sub-subject here is a piston engine plane against a MiG.
Not just any jet. A MiG.

And I stand corrected with the Corsair v MiG in Korea.
Just replying to what I quoted, which was obviously wrong.
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 7:30:32 PM EDT
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This.  The jug was a flying tank.

Fun fact about the P-40 the original design lead engineer wanted a supercharger but he got switched off the project and they left it off.  If it had the supercharger it would have been the best early fighter of the war instead of just mediocre.
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While the P-40 is my favorite fighter of all time,  if I had to actually fight for my life I'm in a Jug.
This.  The jug was a flying tank.

Fun fact about the P-40 the original design lead engineer wanted a supercharger but he got switched off the project and they left it off.  If it had the supercharger it would have been the best early fighter of the war instead of just mediocre.
Not Exactly Right, but Very CLOSE - The XP-39 was originally designed to have a Turbo Supercharged Allison V-12 V-1710 (like the two in the P-38 Lightning).  

However the engineering officer (Fighter Projects Officer Lieutenant Benjamin S. Kelsey) supervising the "Light Interceptor" (The P-38 Lightning twin engine being the 'Heavy interceptor') was sent to Europe in 1940 to study what was actually happening with the air war.  While he was away, the decision was made to remove the Turbo Supercharger from the P-39 and retain only the simple single stage mechanical supercharger of the Allison (just like in the P-40 and the early P-51 / A-36 Mustang)...  

The Rolls Royce Merlin V-12 of fame for the Spitfire & Later "B" model onward p-51 Mustangs had a TWO speed mechanical supercharger which continued to provide maximum power at much higher altitudes than the simple single speed blower of the Allison...

Had the Production P-39 been completed using the specified Turbo Supercharger of the original design which could maintain full power from the ground to above 30,000 ft ...  Well it would have been a much better performing aircraft...

The Russians loved the P-39 for their air war, which was mid to low altitude where the lack of high altitude performance was not missed.  The P-39 was very agile at low altitude and the weapons one 37mm auto cannon and two .50 cal browning M-2s fired straight and true from the nose for more accurate and dense firepower like the P-38 (not having to deal with gun convergence required on wing mounted guns).  The Russians took the extra wing pod mounted guns off their P-39s to maintain the very quick roll rate in exchange for those two added on .30 cal machine guns.

Several of the Top Soviet Aces flew the majority of their kills (against very skilled and experienced Luftwaffe pilots in bf109 & FW-190s) in the P-39...  Just saying...

I have some great pictures of the remaining flying P-39 from down in Texas I'll try to find...

But if it was my butt in any seat flying and fighting for my life.   P-47 because...  'Merica!!
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 8:14:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/19/2017 8:25:42 PM EDT
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F7F Tigercat.

Kharn
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Link Posted: 7/19/2017 8:32:10 PM EDT
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Skip to :30 for a firewalled pass


Grumman F-7F Tigercat Demonstration - 4,000+ Horsepower !
Link Posted: 7/20/2017 9:30:58 AM EDT
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I chose the Hellcat.

It was a big improvement over the F4F Wildcat, which really caught the Japanese by surprise, as they didn't know about it beforehand and the lines/shape of the F6F looked very similar to the F4F.

I believe the F6F Hellcat is credited with the most kills of WWII, which says something about it.
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Actually that is misleading, at Hellcats time, most of Japan's great pilots were dead, their pilots were nothing compared to ours and we had a allot more Hellcats than they had Zeros, some of their late war planes were much more capable than the Hellcat or Zero, they just didn't have good pilots or enough of them.
Link Posted: 7/20/2017 9:43:52 AM EDT
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Actually that is misleading, at Hellcats time, most of Japan's great pilots were dead, their pilots were nothing compared to ours and we had a allot more Hellcats than they had Zeros, some of their late war planes were much more capable than the Hellcat or Zero, they just didn't have good pilots or enough of them.
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I chose the Hellcat.

It was a big improvement over the F4F Wildcat, which really caught the Japanese by surprise, as they didn't know about it beforehand and the lines/shape of the F6F looked very similar to the F4F.

I believe the F6F Hellcat is credited with the most kills of WWII, which says something about it.
Actually that is misleading, at Hellcats time, most of Japan's great pilots were dead, their pilots were nothing compared to ours and we had a allot more Hellcats than they had Zeros, some of their late war planes were much more capable than the Hellcat or Zero, they just didn't have good pilots or enough of them.
If the Japanese would have had the N1K George or Rex two years earlier...
Link Posted: 7/20/2017 9:48:50 AM EDT
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Skip to :30 for a firewalled pass


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That is one skinny bitch.
Link Posted: 7/20/2017 10:01:50 AM EDT
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Even as a navy guy, and as much as I like the other choices, I'd have to go with the P-51D.
Link Posted: 7/20/2017 10:05:41 AM EDT
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P-51 Mustang
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