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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:56:53 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different  Goose would still be alive. Talk to me, Goose. 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:00:21 AM EDT
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I was a kid, but I also remember reading about how the Phoenix missile system could hit targets 100 miles away. (Apparently a big deal for the time.)
I don't know why that's the first thing I think of when I hear F14... |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 9:40:27 AM EDT
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I was a kid, but I also remember reading about how the Phoenix missile system could hit targets 100 miles away. (Apparently a big deal for the time.) I don't know why that's the first thing I think of when I hear F14... |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 9:42:57 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different There was an air force movie called Red Flag that predated Top Gun if I remember correctly. It wasn't as good a Top Gun though. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 10:00:17 AM EDT
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One gets shot down in red Dawn. It was 5 to 1. I got 4. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 10:49:34 AM EDT
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There was an air force movie called Red Flag that predated Top Gun if I remember correctly. It wasn't as good a Top Gun though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different There was an air force movie called Red Flag that predated Top Gun if I remember correctly. It wasn't as good a Top Gun though. I remember that movie and yes I remember it being kind if lame. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:05:51 AM EDT
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Homoerotic volleyball montages just aren't as fun with the f35.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:14:22 AM EDT
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What a bargain, three for a trillion! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F18's and F35's are not good replacements for an air superiority fighter or an all weather attack plane (A6 intruder) If it ever comes to war in the South China Sea, we will be hamstrung If we go to war with China, their aircraft are the least of our problems. Even if you believe the zipper suits, that Chinese shit planes are scary, we spent $62 Billion on the F22 for air superiority, and are about to spend a bunch more to update it already. Then we spent a trillion dollars on the F35 as a stealth strike aircraft. This was all done mostly in the name of China. If that money doesn't buy you the capability to defeat China...There's no amount of money or additional systems that our corrupt procurement could produce that will. China spends about $150 Billion a year on defense in total. We spent about 7 years of their entire defense budget on two stealth planes. The F-35 A B and C are three different planes with some parts commonalities. What a bargain, three for a trillion! Sure, three. Or 2,400 if you are going to be truthful. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:16:38 AM EDT
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Jeez....no one mentions Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis for the success?
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:36:48 AM EDT
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You can't have a F-14 thread without some Final Countdown!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M74yB9duRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gng2mRf8Ec4
And viewed with theme music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXbQSu0UOo
Other than Top Gun I bet The Final Countdown was the first time the general public ever got a good look at the F-14.....I was impressed.....Sexy Beast. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:45:30 AM EDT
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Final countdown was 1980. Top Gun was 1987 or maybe 88. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't have a F-14 thread without some Final Countdown! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M74yB9duRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gng2mRf8Ec4
And viewed with theme music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXbQSu0UOo
Other than Top Gun I bet The Final Countdown was the first time the general public ever got a good look at the F-14.....I was impressed.....Sexy Beast. 1986. The best year of the 80s. After that, it was all downhill from there. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:52:40 AM EDT
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that article is fluff military complex hunting for another couple billion.
the f-18 is holding its own well. & the f-14 without Phoenix missiles is just a big expensive heavy zorester the Luftwaffe failed to make it is a proven war winner. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:55:12 AM EDT
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Just noticed a crap load of F-35's at the Davis-Monthan AFB graveyard. Why?
Test platforms? Seems a tad early to have so many junked. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:33:03 PM EDT
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Just noticed a crap load of F-35's at the Davis-Monthan AFB graveyard. Why? There are no F-35's at Davis-Monthan. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:45:11 PM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:49:47 PM EDT
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There are no F-35's at Davis-Monthan. That makes more sense
I don't know my jets very well. Sorry those are F-15's. Didn't realize the F-15 had the similar cut away in the rear. My bad. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:51:08 PM EDT
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Sega almost gave the F-15 the proper credit it deserves. http://www.videogameobsession.com/videogame/genesis/SMD_VS_GEN/SMD-GEN-AfterBurnerII-vgo.jpg Almost.... https://www.satakore.com/satengine/screenshots/GS-9/GS-9109_15,,Sega-Saturn-Screenshot-15-After-Burner-II-JPN.jpg I played more of the Microprose F-15 Strike Eagle on my C64 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 3:40:20 PM EDT
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1986. The best year of the 80s. After that, it was all downhill from there. That said, late 80's were still better than anything since Trump got elected. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:03:10 PM EDT
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I was a kid, but I also remember reading about how the Phoenix missile system could hit targets 100 miles away. (Apparently a big deal for the time.) I don't know why that's the first thing I think of when I hear F14... That capability is now something that the AIM-120 AMRAAM has. In a smaller and cheaper missile that more than just one model of aircraft, unlike the exclusive F-14/AIM-54 combination. Plus the AIM-120 can hit fighter-sized targets at 100 miles while the Phoenix was designed to take out bomber-sized targets that far out. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:06:32 PM EDT
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Has this turned into a light attack aircraft thread yet?
And I'm not complaining; I can't get enough of those threads. It's like crack for some reason. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:14:46 PM EDT
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There was an air force movie called Red Flag that predated Top Gun if I remember correctly. It wasn't as good a Top Gun though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different There was an air force movie called Red Flag that predated Top Gun if I remember correctly. It wasn't as good a Top Gun though. If it's the movie I'm thinking of (Red Flag The Ultimate Game), it was a 1981 made for TV movie starring Barry Bostwick as an F-4 pilot working to beat his buddy (William Devane) who was an Aggressor pilot. Bostwick "invented" some super maneuver that the Aggressor F-5 couldn't follow (Yeah, right. LOL) and his buddy turned into a smoking hole in the ground. Much made for TV angst by Bostwick that affects his marriage as his wife has come to Vegas to party with hubby while he's not flying. Happy made for TV ending as crash investigation reveals his buddy did not die in vain as Bostwick did invent a super maneuver for F-4s fighting F-5s that will allow Phantoms to rule the skies against nations like Switzerland and other F-5 users. (Snarf. LOL) The End. There were a bunch of pissed off AF guys who sat through that waste of videotape expecting to see something worthwhile. The only redeeming quality was some F-4 footage. Here's a youtube link for anyone interested.  RED FLAG - the Ultimate Game - (Barry Bostwick - William Devane - Joan Van Ark) |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:18:57 PM EDT
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That, but I enjoyed violating AF girls more than most sailor girls. AF had prettier women on average.  That is 100% true. I too enjoyed violating AF space |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:21:23 PM EDT
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If it's the movie I'm thinking of (Red Flag The Ultimate Game), it was a 1981 made for TV movie starring Barry Bostwick as an F-4 pilot working to beat his buddy (William Devane) who was an Aggressor pilot. Bostwick "invented" some super maneuver that the Aggressor F-5 couldn't follow (Yeah, right. LOL) and his buddy turned into a smoking hole in the ground. Much made for TV angst by Bostwick that affects his marriage as his wife has come to Vegas to party with hubby while he's not flying. Happy made for TV ending as crash investigation reveals his buddy did not die in vain as Bostwick did invent a super maneuver for F-4s fighting F-5s that will allow Phantoms to rule the skies against nations like Switzerland and other F-5 users. (Snarf. LOL) The End. There were a bunch of pissed off AF guys who sat through that waste of videotape expecting to see something worthwhile. The only redeeming quality was some F-4 footage. Here's a youtube link for anyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvZhrt2NBoDid William Devane try to sell gold during the movie?
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:26:09 PM EDT
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That capability is now something that the AIM-120 AMRAAM has. In a smaller and cheaper missile that more than just one model of aircraft, unlike the exclusive F-14/AIM-54 combination. Plus the AIM-120 can hit fighter-sized targets at 100 miles while the Phoenix was designed to take out bomber-sized targets that far out. Cool, didn't know that. Was the Phoenix the best thing flying when the F14 had it, or were there equally good systems on other aircraft at that time? <--- Not an aircraft weapons guy, I know GAU-8 and Phoenix because they were a big part of those planes growing up, and hailed as amazing. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:32:50 PM EDT
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Much as I love the F-14, there just isn't a mission requiring it these days.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:36:27 PM EDT
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Bring back the F-14 with fully modernized systems new production!...and while were at it bring back the BBs....rails guns....dozens of giant rail guns!
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:38:44 PM EDT
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Cool, didn't know that. Was the Phoenix the best thing flying when the F14 had it, or were there equally good systems on other aircraft at that time? <--- Not an aircraft weapons guy, I know GAU-8 and Phoenix because they were a big part of those planes growing up, and hailed as amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That capability is now something that the AIM-120 AMRAAM has. In a smaller and cheaper missile that more than just one model of aircraft, unlike the exclusive F-14/AIM-54 combination. Plus the AIM-120 can hit fighter-sized targets at 100 miles while the Phoenix was designed to take out bomber-sized targets that far out. Cool, didn't know that. Was the Phoenix the best thing flying when the F14 had it, or were there equally good systems on other aircraft at that time? <--- Not an aircraft weapons guy, I know GAU-8 and Phoenix because they were a big part of those planes growing up, and hailed as amazing. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:39:50 PM EDT
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Did William Devane try to sell gold during the movie? or did Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane put Devames arm in garbage disposal when he refused to give up his silver dollar collection 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:45:33 PM EDT
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One gets shot down in red Dawn. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:45:53 PM EDT
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So... which capability are our forces lacking that they would have again with the Tomcat?
Stupid article is stupid.... the F-14 wasn't designed for ACM either, it was a missile-carrying interceptor that was forced into the "dogfighter" spot (in theory anyway) because of idiot ROE restrictions. Reads like a typical Arfcom Air Force thread... muh rolling scissors... muh gunfighter. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:52:09 PM EDT
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Bring back the F-14 with fully modernized systems new production!...and while were at it bring back the BBs....rails guns....dozens of giant rail guns! And Lancers. Lots and lots of lancers. Because pointy sticks scare the bejessus out of every one. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:58:26 PM EDT
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And Lancers. Lots and lots of lancers. Because pointy sticks scare the bejessus out of every one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bring back the F-14 with fully modernized systems new production!...and while were at it bring back the BBs....rails guns....dozens of giant rail guns! And Lancers. Lots and lots of lancers. Because pointy sticks scare the bejessus out of every one. Lancers... 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 5:02:05 PM EDT
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Bring back the F-14 with fully modernized systems new production!...and while were at it bring back the BBs....rails guns....dozens of giant rail guns! And modern Curtis Jennies. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 5:29:45 PM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different Swept wings of F-14 is pure bad ass and Navy pilots land on a moving ship at night. I recall one Navy pilot saying that landing on an aircraft carrier at night is like placing a postage stamp on your living room floor and and then turning off the lights, and then running and leaping head first and hitting the stamp with your tongue. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 5:33:44 PM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. The F-14 is a Flying Aluminum Cloud with a giant RCS. It was too macho and had to be replaced with the Hipster F-35. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 5:49:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:09:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:21:46 PM EDT
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And Lancers. Lots and lots of lancers. Because pointy sticks scare the bejessus out of every one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bring back the F-14 with fully modernized systems new production!...and while were at it bring back the BBs....rails guns....dozens of giant rail guns! And Lancers. Lots and lots of lancers. Because pointy sticks scare the bejessus out of every one. and the air/ground radar of the F-35 but with the much larger radar dish available in an F-111 nose cone. Because why not. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:34:02 PM EDT
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The F-14 Tomcat and the AIM-54 Phoenix missile were built for each other.
Those 1000 pound missiles had a range of about 100 miles, crazy long range back in the 1970's. When the aircraft were retired the missile was too. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:45:25 PM EDT
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or did Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane put Devames arm in garbage disposal when he refused to give up his silver dollar collection Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks like it's waving.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:47:39 PM EDT
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The F-14 is a Flying Aluminum Cloud with a giant RCS. It was too macho and had to be replaced with the Hipster F-35. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. The F-14 is a Flying Aluminum Cloud with a giant RCS. It was too macho and had to be replaced with the Hipster F-35. The F-18 replaced the Tomcat.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:09:47 PM EDT
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It was 5 to 1. I got 4. 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:27:36 PM EDT
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Swept wings of F-14 is pure bad ass and Navy pilots land on a moving ship at night. I recall one Navy pilot saying that landing on an aircraft carrier at night is like placing a postage stamp on your living room floor and and then turning off the lights, and then running and leaping head first and hitting the stamp with your tongue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different Swept wings of F-14 is pure bad ass and Navy pilots land on a moving ship at night. I recall one Navy pilot saying that landing on an aircraft carrier at night is like placing a postage stamp on your living room floor and and then turning off the lights, and then running and leaping head first and hitting the stamp with your tongue.  
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:42:14 PM EDT
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Iron eagle was F-16 and not quality Don't you dare speak of Doug Masters that way.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:44:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2017 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Is that up to date?
No F-15s ever downed? |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 9:13:45 PM EDT
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The F-14 is a Flying Aluminum Cloud with a giant RCS. It was too macho and had to be replaced with the Hipster F-35. Fucking alligator arm range hipsters.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 9:33:34 PM EDT
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Your faces, what do they mean because an actual navy pilot said it. Can you refute his claim of difficulty based on your experience as a naval aviator? |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 10:06:38 PM EDT
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Your faces, what do they mean because an actual navy pilot said it. Can you refute his claim of difficulty based on your experience as a naval aviator? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your faces, what do they mean because an actual navy pilot said it. Can you refute his claim of difficulty based on your experience as a naval aviator? No, but I just shared your quote with a former Naval Aviator I work with. He's single and been having a hard time getting laid lately. He admitted it's harder to find the wet spot on a semi attractive and willing single girl in Colorado, than to land on a Carrier at night. If you want me to believe your source, I'm going to have to see him perform the feat he describes. |
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